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Post by claretblue » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:54 pm

Southampton 1 (Ings 20mins) Arsenal 0

come on Gunners!

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Post by Funkydrummer » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:58 pm

Chelsea one up vs Gullsh!ts

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Post by Funkydrummer » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:04 pm

Make that two up !!!!

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Post by claretblue » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:04 pm

Saints 1 Arsenal 1

:D

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Post by Bosscat » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:15 pm

claretblue wrote:Saints 1 Arsenal 1

:D
Ings 2-1 Arsenil

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Post by claretblue » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:16 pm

Bosscat wrote:Ings 2-1 Arsenil
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Post by lesxdp » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:18 pm

This Ings fella seems an OK goalscorer when he is able to play

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Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:24 pm

bottom 3 at the moment :(

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Post by MACCA » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:40 pm

Rubbish , injury prone and is no better than what we have... no one would mention his name if he hadn't played here before...

We got Wells, Walters and Vydra instead, all far superior players and then there's Jeff.
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Post by Stayingup » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:42 pm

Ings 2 goals so far. This is what can happen when your team has a Premier League class striker. Why on earth did we not re-sign him on loan? Politics?
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Post by ElectroClaret » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:44 pm

Gunners equalise.

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Post by lesxdp » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:00 pm

[quote="Vegas Claret"]bottom 3 at the moment :([/quote

Out of the bottom three at the moment. :D

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Post by lesxdp » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:01 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:bottom 3 at the moment :(
Out of the bottom three at the moment :D

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Post by Buxtonclaret » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:05 pm

Good girl! :)
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Post by MACCA » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:09 pm

Stayingup wrote:Ings 2 goals so far. This is what can happen when your team has a Premier League class striker. Why on earth did we not re-sign him on loan? Politics?
Some say it's because he fell out with Dyche

Some say it's because of comments/actions when he left

Whatever the reason, the fact is he would walk into our starting 11, and fit the role perfectly.

The amount of cash we have wasted on trying to buy cheap "Do a jobs" or players playing out of position who haven't been good enough, makes our decision to look past ability in favour of playing safe, or saving a few quid more baffling.

( we haven't actually saved anything as we have had to buy 3 times probably costing in the region of 20m and minimum of 75k a week in wages, and we still find ourselves with no recognised number 10 who can influence the game )

Our repeated failings and mistakes in most of the recent transfer windows is staggering.

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Post by lakedistrictclaret » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:13 pm

Back in the bottom three

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Post by CombatClaret » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:15 pm

lakedistrictclaret wrote:Back in the bottom three
Thanks to former Clarets :? :?

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Post by Parkvilla » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:15 pm

Southampton are a country mile ahead of us in quality.Not a chance them or Palace will be near bottom in May.3 from 5 to go down

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Post by Buxtonclaret » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:15 pm

Charlie doing what Charlie does.
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Post by claretblue » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:19 pm

5 mins injury time

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Post by jrgbfc » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:21 pm

I think Southampton will be fine now Hughes has gone. This new bloke seems to have them organised and has lifted the crowd down there. With their quality they shouldn't really be in a relegation scrap anyway. It's looking like Fulham, Cardiff and Huddersfield are the 3 we need to finish above if we want to stay up.

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Post by lakedistrictclaret » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:22 pm

Arsenal have been dreadful. You can bet they'll play much better than this next Saturday.

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Post by thatdberight » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:23 pm

Does anyone see any circumstance in which we score 3 against Arsenal? No? Me neither. We're so far off the capability of most of the other relegation candidates, it's quite to our credit that we're not completely adrift.

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Post by claretblue » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:26 pm

jrgbfc wrote:It's looking like Fulham, Cardiff and Huddersfield are the 3 we need to finish above if we want to stay up.
Cardiff are 2 points above us! :?

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Post by joey13 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:28 pm

Our result at Fulham is looking worse every week
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Post by Kgun5 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:28 pm

thatdberight wrote:Does anyone see any circumstance in which we score 3 against Arsenal? No? Me neither. We're so far off the capability of most of the other relegation candidates, it's quite to our credit that we're not completely adrift.
I disagree. If this team had played with the effort they've shown in the last two weeks all season, we'd be safely mid-table.

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Post by Parkvilla » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:29 pm

Arsenal will play better next Saturday because Saints had a go and proved they aren't very good defensively.We will put everyone behind the ball,give them all the space and time they want and play for a nil nil.

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Post by jrgbfc » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:31 pm

Kgun5 wrote:I disagree. If this team had played with the effort they've shown in the last two weeks all season, we'd be safely mid-table.
I'm not sure about that. We've looked better defensively but to win games you have to score goals. The way we play relies completely on keeping clean sheets because we score so few goals.

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Post by Silkyskills1 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:34 pm

Fantastic result for Southampton. With the players at their disposal, especially attacking ones they are capable of scoring goals which at least gives a team a fighting chance to win a game. We, meanwhile continue to squeeze the life out of a game with forwards as poor as there must have been for some time in this division.

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Post by Blackrod » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:35 pm

Parkvilla wrote:Arsenal will play better next Saturday because Saints had a go and proved they aren't very good defensively.We will put everyone behind the ball,give them all the space and time they want and play for a nil nil.
This

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Post by Blackrod » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:36 pm

jrgbfc wrote:I'm not sure about that. We've looked better defensively but to win games you have to score goals. The way we play relies completely on keeping clean sheets because we score so few goals.
This too. We are negative and boring. The opposing teams know we are no goal threat and not that great on the ball.

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Post by Kgun5 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:40 pm

jrgbfc wrote:I'm not sure about that. We've looked better defensively but to win games you have to score goals. The way we play relies completely on keeping clean sheets because we score so few goals.
The margins would be thin, no doubt, but we showed it could be successful last year. I'm not really even promoting the system so much as I'm admonishing the lack of effort in several matches this year. However, you may be right that I overstated. Perhaps "safely" was a little much. I believe we'd be ahead of Newcastle, though.

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Post by ksrclaret » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:41 pm

Southampton are light years ahead of us in terms of attacking play, suspect defensively but then so were we until a few games ago.

Agree with the above that we need to be finishing above Fulham, Cardiff and Huddersfield. Everyone else is out of reach for us.

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Post by bfcjg » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:43 pm

We have Wood Vokes Vydra and Barnes. Pair any of them and what six goals between then max. I think without a proven striker regardless of wages we are down.

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Post by Spijed » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:52 pm

jrgbfc wrote:I'm not sure about that. We've looked better defensively but to win games you have to score goals. The way we play relies completely on keeping clean sheets because we score so few goals.
We managed it fine last season and Crystal palace are doing ok this despite having useless strikers.

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Post by MACCA » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:55 pm

bfcjg wrote:We have Wood Vokes Vydra and Barnes. Pair any of them and what six goals between then max. I think without a proven striker regardless of wages we are down.
Goals cost money, however I think they are all capable of scoring enough to keep us up.
However what won't happen with any of them is you're asking them to score nearly every decent chance they get, as we create so little.

Wood looks to have gone backwards since last season, Vydra hadn't been given a chance ( maybe not up to it like Wells/Walters/Juke/Hennings/Vossen/Sordell that have all gone before ) that leaves us with the 500k pair of Barnes and Vokes, which for all their might and effort are not going to keep you up season on season. We haven't moved forwards in the forward department for about 4 or 5 transfer windows.

The new 3 year deal for Vokes told us all we needed to know about our style And what we were planning for going forward IMO.
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Post by Stayingup » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:00 pm

MACCA wrote:Some say it's because he fell out with Dyche

Some say it's because of comments/actions when he left

Whatever the reason, the fact is he would walk into our starting 11, and fit the role perfectly.

The amount of cash we have wasted on trying to buy cheap "Do a jobs" or players playing out of position who haven't been good enough, makes our decision to look past ability in favour of playing safe, or saving a few quid more baffling.

( we haven't actually saved anything as we have had to buy 3 times probably costing in the region of 20m and minimum of 75k a week in wages, and we still find ourselves with no recognised number 10 who can influence the game )

Our repeated failings and mistakes in most of the recent transfer windows is staggering.
I agree and can you see us beating Arsenal? No chance
Also ironic that another ex got the winner.

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Post by Stayingup » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:05 pm

thatdberight wrote:Does anyone see any circumstance in which we score 3 against Arsenal? No? Me neither. We're so far off the capability of most of the other relegation candidates, it's quite to our credit that we're not completely adrift.
We are the only team - of lower Prem teams- not to have moved forward. The others have. Even the two outfield players we bought dont get picked. We've gone backwards if anything.

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Post by jrgbfc » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:05 pm

Spijed wrote:We managed it fine last season and Crystal palace are doing ok this despite having useless strikers.
At some point our game plan has to move on from keeping a clean sheet and nicking one from somewhere. That will only work for so long before you get found out. Unfortunately I don't think Dyche has any interest or the courage to leave his comfort zone and progress.

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Post by Spijed » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:18 pm

Didn't we have a go against Liverpool and very nearly got a draw near the end. Then came up against a Brighton side who had little interest in scoring.

Funny how those two games suddenly get wiped from the memory banks of some.

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Post by ElectroClaret » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:26 pm

1-0 'pool.

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Post by FactualFrank » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:33 pm

1-1

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Post by ElectroClaret » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:35 pm

Rubbish keeping.

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Post by NL Claret » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:58 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Rubbish keeping.
Rubbish keeping in both games. I imagine there's plenty of over analysis of goalkeepers taking place on the respective forums.

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Post by jurek » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:05 pm

Our last three games offer us some comfort and encouragement as our performances
have improved. But one has to say from a very, very low base previously.
Especially defensively but we all know that to stay up you have to win games and get
those 3 points on the board. Draws aren't enough.

Can we grind out another 7 wins or so to give us a chance?
It's not impossible but at present probably not likely with the current team/squad
without a number of things happening.

Namely Wood, Defour, Brady and one or two others finding their top form for a considerable number of games
especially in those games we have to win that already are 6 pointers.

Yes, it's possible we could get two or three in January who may make a difference
but I don't think many are putting much on that happening. Hopefully it will and won't be too late. Time will tell.

Have to say I did catch myself thinking (after checking out the Southampton game/result/scorers)
that we would be fine with Ings and Austin up front but that's wishful thinking at best.

Can't help but think it's going to be a very difficult 21 games to come.
Far from certain my nerves will take it.
It might turn out that the fans have a big say in it especially in those games we have to win.
The team will need all the support it can get.

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