What are Southampton playing at?
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What are Southampton playing at?
Everyone knows the small clubs can't beat the big clubs and they shouldn't even try to.
Will someone have a word with this new manager please.
Sky won't be happy.
Will someone have a word with this new manager please.
Sky won't be happy.
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Re: What are Southampton playing at?
neither am I!Quickenthetempo wrote:Sky won't be happy.
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Shows what is possible if you have some decent attacking players and are willing to have a go. You don't need to spend millions of pounds. What did Ings, Austin and Redmond cost Southampton? Not much by today's standards.
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Ex Clarets send us back down.Must win next week
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Lots of happy Soton fans - they all got free drinks vouchers
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Re: What are Southampton playing at?
Shows what a decent couple of forwards can do. Or in other words, what can happen when you give the ball to attack minded players.
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Re: What are Southampton playing at?
We will beat Arsenal next week.
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amazing what happens when you have players that pass to each other and are instructed to attack
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Re: What are Southampton playing at?
I don’t know guite what Samton are upto but it much be a good time to play them from our point of view I would have thought.
I did of course mean a good time to play the Arse of course
I did of course mean a good time to play the Arse of course
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Re: What are Southampton playing at?
Arsenal will be stung by today's result.
Doesn't bode well for us.
Doesn't bode well for us.
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How come our club never give our fans anything like this! tight twits..SalisburyClaret wrote:Lots of happy Soton fans - they all got free drinks vouchers
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Like we were yesterday.... F.ck em and get in their faces! Doesn't bode well for them either.gawthorpe_view wrote:Arsenal will be stung by today's result.
Doesn't bode well for us.
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Because most of our Directors take our fans for granted sadly, been the case since the Bob Lord days don't know if he was the first though.claretdj wrote:How come our club never give our fans anything like this! tight twits..
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3 games in 6 days for Arsenal, and our game being the last of those early Saturday after hopefully a tough derby game v Spurs on Wednesday night.
I'd say there's no better time to play them.
Back to the OP, any manager with an ounce of knowledge picks a team that best suits the players they have.
Our better players are the ones who are more defensively suited.
You can probably count on 1 hand ( maybe just 2 fingers) our naturally attacking players who are comfortable with the ball at their feet going forwards with intent.
It is also a reason for the lack of times we break the last line of the opposition's defence, and the lack of penalties
I'd say there's no better time to play them.
Back to the OP, any manager with an ounce of knowledge picks a team that best suits the players they have.
Our better players are the ones who are more defensively suited.
You can probably count on 1 hand ( maybe just 2 fingers) our naturally attacking players who are comfortable with the ball at their feet going forwards with intent.
It is also a reason for the lack of times we break the last line of the opposition's defence, and the lack of penalties
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Love hearing stories of clubs that don't always treat their fans as customers squeezing every penny they can from them, it restores my faith in humanity.claretdj wrote:How come our club never give our fans anything like this! tight twits..
Even Accy can afford to give 1000 shirts away to the local kids, BFC charge for our kids to do anything and everything before then pleading for match day volunteers.
Look after the future when and where you can, you never know when you may need them.
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What about Barry Kilby and the Season ticket refunds for all the Season Ticket holders when we got promotion in 2009... £450 wasn't to be sneezed atclaretdj wrote:How come our club never give our fans anything like this! tight twits..
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9 years is a long timeBosscat wrote:What about Barry Kilby and the Season ticket refunds for all the Season Ticket holders when we got promotion in 2009... £450 wasn't to be sneezed at
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I'd like some dark chocolate liqueurs.
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jrgbfc wrote:Shows what is possible if you have some decent attacking players and are willing to have a go. You don't need to spend millions of pounds. What did Ings, Austin and Redmond cost Southampton? Not much by today's standards.
Ings cost £20million, £5m more than our record transfer.
Redmond £10 million in 2016, aged 22 from Norwich. Maddison a very similar type player aged 21 cost £20million this season from Norwich.
Austin cost £4million in a 2016 QPR fire sale, a £15m deal to West Ham previously fell through the owner saying he 'had no knees'.
That's to say nothing of wages, of which we're the 3rd lowest in the league. Also it requires the players want to come to us.
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Arsenal had a makeshift central defence with Kolscieny playing his first game of the season. I quite like him but thought Arsenal's defence looked like Wenger's days and Kolscieny was responsible for two if not all three of the goals.
That cross from Long though was superb.
That cross from Long though was superb.
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They beat them the same score we won away at the reiging champions last season. Big deal.
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CombatClaret wrote:Ings cost £20million, £5m more than our record transfer.
Redmond £10 million in 2016, aged 22 from Norwich. Maddison a very similar type player aged 21 cost £20million this season from Norwich.
Austin cost £4million in a 2016 QPR fire sale, a £15m deal to West Ham previously fell through the owner saying he 'had no knees'.
That's to say nothing of wages, of which we're the 3rd lowest in the league. Also it requires the players want to come to us.
If you count the parachute payments we've had 5 years of TV money now. Paying 20 million for players certainly shouldn't be out of our price range.
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£450 over 9 years equates to £50 a season.Burnley1989 wrote:9 years is a long time
Bit more than Soton buying one beer for every adult over 18 dont you think as a celebration of getting a Jeerman in charge in Heissenhutil
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Arsenal having a makeshift defence when they play us will be irrelevant if we perform like we did yesterday at Wembley.
Hardly any attacks of note and zero shots on target tells it's own story.
Hardly any attacks of note and zero shots on target tells it's own story.
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MOTD will doubtless have little to say about soton, and focus instead on the injuries or some such crap that stopped the gunners winning.
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As usual some having a go at our Board for being tight.How many other clubs provide free (yes free) season tickets for under 10 year old supporters.Think Southampton charge £50.
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We’ve had Premier League income now for 10 years without a gap. 2009-10 when we were relegated and then 4 years of parachutes as it was then. We got promoted in the last of those years.jrgbfc wrote:If you count the parachute payments we've had 5 years of TV money now. Paying 20 million for players certainly shouldn't be out of our price range.
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Have already pointed out the £multimillion give away of season ticket refunds in 2009 ..... some should think a bit before commenting on Soton giving away a few free beers.....Jimscho wrote:As usual some having a go at our Board for being tight.How many other clubs provide free (yes free) season tickets for under 10 year old supporters.Think Southampton charge £50.
Also this about £20,000,000+ players its the wage bills that take the megabucks not the signing of the players....
A player on £35k a week is near 2 million a year thats just one player, therefore running a squad multiply by 23, then think about every day running costs plus the staff wages etc etc .... its no wonder the number of Clubs that are/have gone tits up.......
It ain't rocket science
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We could have afforded Maddison this summer. Could’ve afforded any of them this summer really, but wages an issue with the others.CombatClaret wrote:Ings cost £20million, £5m more than our record transfer.
Redmond £10 million in 2016, aged 22 from Norwich. Maddison a very similar type player aged 21 cost £20million this season from Norwich.
Austin cost £4million in a 2016 QPR fire sale, a £15m deal to West Ham previously fell through the owner saying he 'had no knees'.
That's to say nothing of wages, of which we're the 3rd lowest in the league. Also it requires the players want to come to us.
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To be fair, the fact our club gave away 7,000 season tickets in 2009-10 was a shock to our club. They’d not truly planned for it, and it was brought about becausenof falling season ticket sales. We did it for 2 seasons.Bosscat wrote:Have already pointed out the £multimillion give away of season ticket refunds in 2009 ..... some should think a bit before commenting on Soton giving away a few free beers.....
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Of course Barry Kilby planned for it .... if we hadn't won at Wembley he wouldn't have given them away lol.Claretforever wrote:To be fair, the fact our club gave away 7,000 season tickets in 2009-10 was a shock to our club. They’d not truly planned for it, and it was brought about becausenof falling season ticket sales. We did it for 2 seasons.
Winning promotion did 2 other things as well ... we bought back the ground and found out that Owen Coyle was a judas
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Very true, we could probably pay £20m for a player however the wage structure would be broken which would not be a good thing. The other point that is very often overlooked is that Burnley are not an attractive proposition. Whenever Ings scores this season the usual posts about us not re-signing him. Wages and he used to play for us aside, why would he choose Burnley over Southampton ?Bosscat wrote:Have already pointed out the £multimillion give away of season ticket refunds in 2009 ..... some should think a bit before commenting on Soton giving away a few free beers.....
Also this about £20,000,000+ players its the wage bills that take the megabucks not the signing of the players....
A player on £35k a week is near 2 million a year thats just one player running a squad multiply by 23 then think about every day running costs plus the staff wages etc etc .... its no wonder the number of Clubs that are/have gone tits up.......
It ain't rocket science
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Because him and dyche have an excellent relationship...NL Claret wrote:Very true, we could probably pay £20m for a player however the wage structure would be broken which would not be a good thing. The other point that is very often overlooked is that Burnley are not an attractive proposition. Whenever Ings scores this season the usual posts about us not re-signing him. Wages and he used to play for us aside, why would he choose Burnley over Southampton ?
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That , he ran down his contract and he more or less downed tools in his last season are a few more reasons!cricketfieldclarets wrote:Because him and dyche have an excellent relationship...
Ings is another who can do no wrong in some eyes.
Speak to my agent Sean!!
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Bear in mind Southampton also recouped 75 million for VVD,plus all the other rising stars they have made good profit on over the last 5-6 years.CombatClaret wrote:Ings cost £20million, £5m more than our record transfer.
Redmond £10 million in 2016, aged 22 from Norwich. Maddison a very similar type player aged 21 cost £20million this season from Norwich.
Austin cost £4million in a 2016 QPR fire sale, a £15m deal to West Ham previously fell through the owner saying he 'had no knees'.
That's to say nothing of wages, of which we're the 3rd lowest in the league. Also it requires the players want to come to us.
Wages are the biggest issue if we were to drop the last thing we need is a bloated wage bill,even accounting for parachute payments our income would reduce drastically in the event of relegation.
Do we even know if Ings wanted to return this summer?
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The board didn’t offer free season tickets out of good will. It was a way to encourage people to buy tickets. They were as shocked as we were that we went up, and I bet they hated giving us free tickets
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Some people just have no gratitude.Inchy wrote:The board didn’t offer free season tickets out of good will. It was a way to encourage people to buy tickets. They were as shocked as we were that we went up, and I bet they hated giving us free tickets
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And some are easily hoodwinked.Rileybobs wrote:Some people just have no gratitude.
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Hoodwinked into being given a free season ticket?South West Claret. wrote:And some are easily hoodwinked.
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IMO messing about with defensive 4-5-1 or 5-4-1 formations will end in tears (relegation).
Let's get back to our best formation 4-4-2 and get some shots on target.
Let's get back to our best formation 4-4-2 and get some shots on target.
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Surely (in common with other clubs) contractually, players wages are considerably reduced in the event of relegationtiger76 wrote:
Wages are the biggest issue if we were to drop the last thing we need is a bloated wage bill....
But yes, wages would still be a big issue.
Or is it not the case that wages are dropped?
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I assume BFC still have relegation clauses in player's contract's,some clubs don't Sunderland paying daft money in League One being a prime example.ElectroClaret wrote:Surely (in common with other clubs) contractually, players wages are considerably reduced in the event of relegation
But yes, wages would still be a big issue.
Or is it not the case that wages are dropped?
However i'd also guess our top earner's are making double what they were in 2016,so even in the event of relegation clauses,the % of wages/turnover will be higher,so giving us less wriggle room if we wanted to spend if in the Championship.
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By jobe I think he's got it.Rileybobs wrote:Hoodwinked into being given a free season ticket?
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Rovers were paying a few silly money 3 years after relegation too "Jordan Rhodes" to name but one....tiger76 wrote:I assume BFC still have relegation clauses in player's contract's,some clubs don't Sunderland paying daft money in League One being a prime example.
However i'd also guess our top earner's are making double what they were in 2016,so even in the event of relegation clauses,the % of wages/turnover will be higher,so giving us less wriggle room if we wanted to spend if in the Championship.
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Who’s jobe?South West Claret. wrote:By jobe I think he's got it.
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Is it still the case that we counter the salary issue by building a sizeable one-off payment, effectively a signing-on fee, into the deal?
I'm pretty sure this was the case with Brady and probably others.
I'm assuming - and I know nothing about football finance - this makes good business sense in that affordability can be relatively easily assessed within the current budget and then there's no ongoing obligation should the worst (relegation) happen.
I'm pretty sure this was the case with Brady and probably others.
I'm assuming - and I know nothing about football finance - this makes good business sense in that affordability can be relatively easily assessed within the current budget and then there's no ongoing obligation should the worst (relegation) happen.
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Exactly my point, transfer speculation is so fruitless.tiger76 wrote:Bear in mind Southampton also recouped 75 million for VVD,plus all the other rising stars they have made good profit on over the last 5-6 years.
Wages are the biggest issue if we were to drop the last thing we need is a bloated wage bill,even accounting for parachute payments our income would reduce drastically in the event of relegation.
Do we even know if Ings wanted to return this summer?
£100million in TV money = £100 million to spend on signing fees...
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Deserved win Southampton.
2-2 kept passing and getting the ball forwards even without their 2 best attacking options, Ings and Redmond.
Would we have done the same?
2-2 kept passing and getting the ball forwards even without their 2 best attacking options, Ings and Redmond.
Would we have done the same?
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The urge to have a pop at our board at every opportunity from some posters is more than a bit weird