The Premier League's first standing area

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:43 pm

At the new White Hart Lane, all set up ready for use when 1) the stadium opens and 2) legislation allows

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:46 pm

Superb.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:48 pm

Let's hope it comes to all grounds, especially Turf Moor, as soon as possible.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:50 pm

Vino blanco wrote:Let's hope it comes to all grounds, especially Turf Moor, as soon as possible.

Pic taken today - they won't be able to use it as standing initially but it is there ready for when they can. There will also be a standing area for away fans.

dushanbe · Post by **dushanbe** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:51 pm

What’s likely to happen first, a change in legislation or the opening of the stadium?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:51 pm

Another pic from today, taken by a friend of mine from what will be her seat. I think they must have had an open day ahead of the test events.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:00 pm

Looking at the picture, putting a rail behind the seat offers a bit more protection from 'the bloke behind you' or even worse, small children kicking the back of one's head. it defines personal space better.

The bottom picture though, identifies NWHL as a media indoctrination pit. THREE BANDS of electronic signalling. Ridiculous! One band is one too many.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:02 pm

let's hope we are still in the division to visit next season !

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:05 pm

There’s no way their fans will sit down in that area, legislation or not.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:08 pm

Well it looks very good I must say..but it has been said not to judge a book by it's cover as well.

One test I want all new grounds to pass is the "do we get wet" when it pizzles down with rain?

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:09 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:let's hope we are still in the division to visit next season !

I honestly can't see that being a problem now VC.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:11 pm

South West Claret. wrote:One test I want all new grounds to pass is the "do we get wet" when it pizzles down with rain?

Ive been saying for months now that the roof design looks like the bottom tier all around the ground will get wet.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:20 pm

Excellent move. And it is only a matter of time now before its legal.

But we all know the CFS is the premier leagues first standing area

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:25 pm

I hate such soulless bowls......and no where to sit and enjoy my bovril

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:29 pm

tim_noone wrote:I hate such soulless bowls......and no where to sit and enjoy my bovril

Well stop getting Bovril in a bowl then duhhhh.

Get it in a cup you can drink it standing up.

Edukashunal in ere innit

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:19 pm

They also have what I imagine to be a first when it comes to your half time pint, when they serve it the glass fills from the bottom.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:26 am

A good idea, just put the rail seats in and then say “it’s a seating area, honest!”

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:50 am

Claretforever wrote:Ive been saying for months now that the roof design looks like the bottom tier all around the ground will get wet.

It doesn’t look like it’ll keep many people dry at all!

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:09 am

ClaretTony wrote:At the new White Hart Lane, all set up ready for use when 1) the stadium opens and 2) legislation allows

Looking at that pic if someone in the row in front prefers to stand I behind prefer to sit do I behind not get my sight impeded like now?

nyclaret · Post by **nyclaret** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:28 am

South West Claret. wrote:Looking at that pic if someone in the row in front prefers to stand I behind prefer to sit do I behind not get my sight impeded like now?

I think the point is that if you buy a ticket for that section it's probably because you want to stand.

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:55 am

There was a video on twitter showing a girl pouring pints - where the pint glass (plastic) was put on a thing and it filled up from underneath

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:58 am

Claretforever wrote:There’s no way their fans will sit down in that area, legislation or not.

Good, and it will evidence that safe standing works. Am I right in thinking the seats are removed with safe standing, or just flipped up like normal?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:20 am

Looks good

Just want to echo what someone has said above but sitting in a standing area is like moving into a house next to an airport and complaining about the noise of planes.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:23 am

Is it?

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:27 am

I wonder how they will go about transferring ST seat allocations from Wembley to the new ground. Will they wait until next season to move in then everyone applies for a ST?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:29 am

karatekid wrote:I wonder how they will go about transferring ST seat allocations from Wembley to the new ground. Will they wait until next season to move in then everyone applies for a ST?

It's London ....they're far more advanced.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:42 am

nyclaret wrote:I think the point is that if you buy a ticket for that section it's probably because you want to stand.

So is it clear that way is going to operate? as I thought the original plan was to give "all" people if they like to sit or stand in the same area the "choice" without affecting other peoples view/space in the same area.

Therefore simply giving each paying fan/customer the right and fair consideration.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:36 am

South West Claret. wrote:Looking at that pic if someone in the row in front prefers to stand I behind prefer to sit do I behind not get my sight impeded like now?

Once implemented with a change of legislation it will be a standing area. People who have bought season tickets in that area are fully aware of the situation. There won't be any sitting.

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:47 am

At last ! It would be great to be able to sit down on a seat which I have paid for rather than having to stand to watch a game !! The major difference would be the option of seating or standing for all home and away fans as in Germany. Eventually we may even be able to have a drink whilst watching a match as in Germany or as at a rugby match in England....

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:56 am

karatekid wrote:I wonder how they will go about transferring ST seat allocations from Wembley to the new ground. Will they wait until next season to move in then everyone applies for a ST?

I think they already have STs for the new ground which all get cancelled for every match at Wembley and you have to purchase a new ticket.

That's why they're getting lower gates there.

So it will revert back to ST when it eventually opens.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:15 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:I think they already have STs for the new ground which all get cancelled for every match at Wembley and you have to purchase a new ticket.

That's why they're getting lower gates there.

So it will revert back to ST when it eventually opens.

Didn’t know that until Saturday. A Spurs fan told us they get a refund on their season ticket every time they play at Wembley but then have to purchase a ticket.

The capacity, for whatever reason, has now been reduced to 51,000 for Spurs games at Wembley.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:26 pm

Looks good.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:32 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Once implemented with a change of legislation it will be a standing area. People who have bought season tickets in that area are fully aware of the situation. There won't be any sitting.

Thanks Tony I misinterpreted the way it will work, it won't affect me for home games but will at away.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:36 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Thanks Tony I misinterpreted the way it will work, it won't affect me for home games but will at away.

If and when standing areas are permitted it would then mean we also have seating areas as well.

Spurs have done this brilliantly because the seats in there look just like the other seats in the stadium.

whiffa · Post by **whiffa** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:37 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Another pic from today, taken by a friend of mine from what will be her seat. I think they must have had an open day ahead of the test events.

Looks like a few fans got invited to have a look round, Spurs have posted a video on Facebook - saw this earlier before I've just seen this thread.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2130539210322490" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I must say it is rather impressive.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:39 pm

whiffa wrote:Looks like a few fans got invited to have a look round, Spurs have posted a video on Facebook - saw this earlier before I've just seen this thread.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2130539210322490" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I must say it is rather impressive.

They did, I got the info initially from a friend of mine who was in there. She's described the whole stadium as breathtaking.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:53 pm

*puts on tin hat*

I want a new Turf Moor for Christmas. That looks beautiful.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:31 pm

You want what?..I'd keep that tin hat on if I were you SP

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:38 pm

Claretforever wrote:Ive been saying for months now that the roof design looks like the bottom tier all around the ground will get wet.

Bit like nearly every ground in the land lol.

I sit in the upper tier of JHU near the front, and even though the roof extends over us we still get rained on thanks to our horizontal rain in Lancashire

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:38 pm

The ground does look great, but it doesn't look as though it will shelter many from the rain.

skibum84 · Post by **skibum84** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:59 pm

Does the roof move? In the position on the pictures it looks like it will do sweet F all to shelter the fans.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:25 pm

Not sure why it needed to be designed so obviously lacking in cover from the elements, unless the pictures are very deceptive. Though the ground does look fantastic, for a new one.

I never understand why the roof of new grounds can’t lean right towards the pitch, as opposed to skywards. Surely it would be better for atmosphere and keep out the rain.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:01 pm

Bosscat wrote:Bit like nearly every ground in the land lol.

I sit in the upper tier of JHU near the front, and even though the roof extends over us we still get rained on thanks to our horizontal rain in Lancashire

I sit about 10 rows back on the top tier and get wet at times!

We could do with roofs like Chelsea’s stand on the side which more than covers the seats, and leans down at the front. Pretty sure Newcastle’s home end behind the goal angles down too.

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:15 pm

tim_noone wrote:It's London ....they're far more advanced.

It's London, the government will make grants available for Southerners to be able to access this new facility, money to be diverted from Universal credit in the North.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:42 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Didn’t know that until Saturday. A Spurs fan told us they get a refund on their season ticket every time they play at Wembley but then have to purchase a ticket.

The capacity, for whatever reason, has now been reduced to 51,000 for Spurs games at Wembley.

Yes, I was speaking with Spurs fan after the game. They have a window to get their ticket at Wembley, miss it and the seat is available for someone else. Similarly, if they forget to ask for their refund, they might miss out on getting their money back.

Brent Council reduced the capacity for Spurs games because they've gone beyond the original crowd limits. I think it started beginning of Dec. It may be that the capacity can be increased for Champions League - if they aren't in NWHL by then.

How many were seated on Saturday? It looked like Wembley were trying out "rail standing."

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:44 pm

DCWat wrote:Not sure why it needed to be designed so obviously lacking in cover from the elements, unless the pictures are very deceptive. Though the ground does look fantastic, for a new one.

I never understand why the roof of new grounds can’t lean right towards the pitch, as opposed to skywards. Surely it would be better for atmosphere and keep out the rain.

Saturday I was wishing that they'd close the Wembley roof - even though I was well back and not getting wet..... but that cold icy wind was something else.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:40 pm

Paul Waine wrote:Saturday I was wishing that they'd close the Wembley roof - even though I was well back and not getting wet..... but that cold icy wind was something else.

Close the Wembley roof? What roof? They can cover part of it.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:49 pm

imagine even to have to call it "safe standing" what a world we live in now, I despair.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:26 am

ClaretTony wrote:Didn’t know that until Saturday. A Spurs fan told us they get a refund on their season ticket every time they play at Wembley but then have to purchase a ticket.

The capacity, for whatever reason, has now been reduced to 51,000 for Spurs games at Wembley.

the capacity reduction is something to do with the agreement they signed with the local council, don't remember the complete facts but it's something to do with not having too many people too often bothering the locals

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:52 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:There was a video on twitter showing a girl pouring pints - where the pint glass (plastic) was put on a thing and it filled up from underneath

What is this witchcraft one speaks of.