totally agree with you Lancaster. the best way to defeat the tories is by offering an electable opposition. but with AJB and Unsteadyeddie and their like backing this shower of XXXX instead of calling for change, it is may be too much to hope for.Lancasterclaret wrote:Course, Andrews post is spot on. The only bit he's wrong on is that Corbyn is actually unelectable.
There isn't any other explanation for his party continuously being behind in the opinion polls with this shitshower in government.
Doesn't mean left wing socialist policies are dead (though I suspect whoever was in charge would struggle) but I'm not the only one struggling to get my head around Labours continuing calls for another election when the polls suggest they might well lose.
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with the tories being what they are, and generally despised for it, the only thing stopping labour being in power is their own stupidity and the complete shambles of their MPs. are these labour MPs even socialists or merely power seeking individuals who've seen that joining the labour party is their best way to find it. seems to me that the tories are professional politicians and scumbags whereas labour are merely amateur scumbags playing politics.
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Andrew, I made an objective and reasoned observation (with considerable experience of lip reading) about what Corbyn said, which was wall-to-wall coverage in the news, and hence highly relevant, on the day I posted. For what it's worth, I believe he has lied over the matter and to some extent he has damaged his 'honest' persona.AndrewJB wrote:Ah, the Corbyn hate club. The man who many Conservatives apparently voted for back in 2015, paying their £3 fee, who would make Labour "unelectable" - and now again, anything at all he's accused of doing is jumped on by all four donkey feet. Never mind the fact Phil Hammond used the same words out loud in parliament. Never mind the fact this government's austerity program has impacted mostly on single female parents. Theresa May handing the whip back to a pair of men being investigated for being sex pests? Now Corbyn is a misogynist due to your lip reading skills? It takes the conversation away from the car crash Brexit issue - which he nailed May over during PMQs. The Tory "calm down dear" machine would love you to obsess over whether or not Corbyn said woman or people, rather than considering how utterly **** they are.
Did I call Corbyn a mysoginist? Have I said I hate Corbyn? Where is the evidence I support the shower presiding over the mess that the current lot are presiding over? I think you are making unwarranted and incorrect assumptions about me.
Your points about the austerity programme, Brexit, etc., although highly relevant in themselves, are subjects for different threads. And surely we can digress from Brexit for a few moments.
I think emotion has overtaken you, and you have thrown your current political frustrations at me and others, which is unlike you, as normally I have noted you as a reasonable poster on here.
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I don't disagree Spijed and these people are supposed to be our lawmakers,it explains how the country is up s**tcreek,if Andrew Griffiths has mental health issues i sympathise,but millions of people have mental health issues and they don't behave in this manner.Spijed wrote:But no different to the Conservative episode with Andrew Griffiths. Sent over 2000 explicit texts to women and is allowed to re-join the party just before a crucial vote, all because he had 'mental issues'. Very convenient.
https://news.sky.com/story/sexting-tory ... h-11561277" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And they expect respect from the public who pay their salaries.
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He’s admitted saying something “stupid people” and it would appear, on the balance of probabilities, that an overwhelming number of people think he’s lying and he said “stupid woman”.keith1879 wrote:He didn't "say" anything as far as I can tell. If muttering stuff under your breath is going to result in this sort of nonsense then we are in a very bad place indeed. He can't be caught "lying" because the truth cannot be known.
Unless you are a conservative voter - in which case it's an open and shut case.
It doesn’t need to be open and shut, people have seen the footage and made their own minds up. He’s like a truculent schoolboy who think if he keeps saying “I didn’t do it” everyone will agree. He’s been very badly advised (or he’s ignored the advice given).
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Fiona Onasanya has a brass neck she is planning to stay on as the MP for this area,despite Labour suspending her.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-c ... e-46703806
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Nothing to do with which party she's in - the woman is clearly unhinged. Whether that's simply drunk on some imagined power, her own religiosity having got to her, inability to cope with the disconnect between her pronouncements and behaviour or some deep-seated mental illness would be guesswork. But to write that article and not mention the conviction shows a degree of separation from reality that will take some beating.tiger76 wrote:Fiona Onasanya has a brass neck she is planning to stay on as the MP for this area,despite Labour suspending her.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-c ... e-46703806
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She is currently an independent MP,but unless she is sentenced to a year of more behind bars,parliament can't force her to vacate her position,there could be a recall petition triggered and if enough of her constituents sign (10%) she can be forced out,but that would take at least a couple of months,regardless of party loyalty this kind of behaviour does parliament no favours.thatdberight wrote:Nothing to do with which party she's in - the woman is clearly unhinged. Whether that's simply drunk on some imagined power, her own religiosity having got to her, inability to cope with the disconnect between her pronouncements and behaviour or some deep-seated mental illness would be guesswork. But to write that article and not mention the conviction shows a degree of separation from reality that will take some beating.
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Back in 'the days' when people had integrity a simple letter of resignation would have been forthcoming from her.
Andrew Griffiths would have left a letter on the mantlepiece...
Andrew Griffiths would have left a letter on the mantlepiece...
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All MP's tell lies - it's mandatory but when it entails breaking the law that's it - finito.
If she'd any sense she'd go to live in Nigeria and keep a low profile so that everyone forgets about her.
If she'd any sense she'd go to live in Nigeria and keep a low profile so that everyone forgets about her.
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Did you watch the programme about Jeremy Thorpe? He was as corrupt as they come.JohnMac wrote:Back in 'the days' when people had integrity a simple letter of resignation would have been forthcoming from her.
Andrew Griffiths would have left a letter on the mantlepiece...
Seems integrity was lacking even decades ago.
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Why the hell would she go and live in Nigeria you simpleton?basil6345789 wrote:All MP's tell lies - it's mandatory but when it entails breaking the law that's it - finito.
If she'd any sense she'd go to live in Nigeria and keep a low profile so that everyone forgets about her.
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Simpleton? Pot, kettle, black.
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Nice comeback. You have displayed that you are an ignorant simpleton with your last post about Nigeria.basil6345789 wrote:Simpleton? Pot, kettle, black.
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I don't use terms like simpleton or cretin - they're inappropriate. She's a big name in Nigeria (family) and frequently visits. She could live there in comfort and walk away from all this agro.
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You could go and live in comfort in Nigeria. Why don’t you? I haven’t used the term cretin as I agree that it’s an inappropriate phrase, but I think simpleton is quite harmless and certainly seems appropriate in your case.basil6345789 wrote:I don't use terms like simpleton or cretin - they're inappropriate. She's a big name in Nigeria (family) and frequently visits. She could live there in comfort and walk away from all this agro.
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Think you need to read the sticky on Personal Abuse.Rileybobs wrote:You could go and live in comfort in Nigeria. Why don’t you? I haven’t used the term cretin as I agree that it’s an inappropriate phrase, but I think simpleton is quite harmless and certainly seems appropriate in your case.
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I’ve read that in the past and don’t resort to personal abuse. If you think the term simpleton is personal abuse then complain about my post. Just consider whether the below dictionary definition of the word is abusive;Lord Rothbury wrote:Think you need to read the sticky on Personal Abuse.
’Simpleton - a person without the usual ability to use reason and understand’
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And you are using the term in a derogatory manner the same way Corbyn "alledgedly" used stupid woman.Rileybobs wrote:I’ve read that in the past and don’t resort to personal abuse. If you think the term simpleton is personal abuse then complain about my post. Just consider whether the below dictionary definition of the word is abusive;
’Simpleton - a person without the usual ability to use reason and understand’
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Simpleton is widely regarded as a humorous term. I also didn’t get offended by Corbyn referring to May as a stupid woman, if indeed he ever did. But I’m not a snowflake.Lord Rothbury wrote:And you are using the term in a derogatory manner the same way Corbyn "alledgedly" used stupid woman.
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You are The Wriggler, though.
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Snowflake ha ha what a ridiculous term .Try using your humorous one in the company of someone with a child with a learning difficulty and watch then roll around the floor laughing .
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Are you really offended by my use of the word simpleton? It has nothing to do with children with learning difficulties. I posted the dictionary definition above. Like I say, complain about my post if you feel it constitutes personal abuse.Lord Rothbury wrote:Snowflake ha ha what a ridiculous term .Try using your humorous one in the company of someone with a child with a learning difficulty and watch then roll around the floor laughing .
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I don’t think you’re seeing the whole picture if you think it’s as simple as Labour changing leader to make winning a majority a possibility. Whoever is the next Labour will face the same hostile press - and rather than making up things about Corbyn (that only committed Tories believe anyway) they’ll just do it about the new person. Miliband was a fairly Tory lite leader - he endorsed austerity, student fees, and had no program of denationalisation, and yet he was constantly attacked (especially by the anti Semitic Daily Mail). So in that sense changing leader won’t make a difference. Corbyn also commands support within the rank and file of the party, so you, Lancaster, and about three hundred thousand other like minded people would have to join to make it happen. When we consider that a lot of people have waited a long time to have the chance to vote for a Labour Party espousing a genuinely fairer society, so you’d have a fight on your hands trying to wrest control back. But in any case, you already have a centre ground alternative in the Libdems.biggles wrote:with the tories being what they are, and generally despised for it, the only thing stopping labour being in power is their own stupidity and the complete shambles of their MPs. are these labour MPs even socialists or merely power seeking individuals who've seen that joining the labour party is their best way to find it. seems to me that the tories are professional politicians and scumbags whereas labour are merely amateur scumbags playing politics.
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I may have answered your post, but I intended the response to be more generally directed to all the Corbyn haters. Maybe a little more sarcastic than usual, but he’s attacked over petty reasons all the time. Anna Soubry was on mike calling Miliband a c**t. Hammond called another MP a stupid woman, and a whole host of things that make the Tories a lot of hypocrites about getting upset over anything at all. Austerity, Brexit and the plight of the homeless are all relevant by virtue of being important issues ignored because the Tories chose to focus on something someone might have said but claims not to have.upanatem wrote:Andrew, I made an objective and reasoned observation (with considerable experience of lip reading) about what Corbyn said, which was wall-to-wall coverage in the news, and hence highly relevant, on the day I posted. For what it's worth, I believe he has lied over the matter and to some extent he has damaged his 'honest' persona.
Did I call Corbyn a mysoginist? Have I said I hate Corbyn? Where is the evidence I support the shower presiding over the mess that the current lot are presiding over? I think you are making unwarranted and incorrect assumptions about me.
Your points about the austerity programme, Brexit, etc., although highly relevant in themselves, are subjects for different threads. And surely we can digress from Brexit for a few moments.
I think emotion has overtaken you, and you have thrown your current political frustrations at me and others, which is unlike you, as normally I have noted you as a reasonable poster on here.
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The press don’t ‘make things up’ about Corbyn, they just state facts that are quite clearly true. At least to people of logically sound mind.
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You're right to say that the press state facts, but the problem comes when the general public read those stated facts and then change them to mean something else.dermotdermot wrote:The press don’t ‘make things up’ about Corbyn, they just state facts that are quite clearly true. At least to people of logically sound mind.
Take the "stupid woman" story. I've seen so many people state as a fact that Corbyn absolutely, definitely said "stupid woman" because that's what the press have said. Except that's not what the press have said. The closest thing the press have said to that is that Corbyn "appears" to have said "stupid woman". No respectable press agency has said that he definitely said it and i challenge you to find me one that has.
This is how the general public misreads the news, they have become blind to qualification words, and don't seem to accept uncertainty, and so they take an absolutist position on everything they see in the press.
So while the press do state the facts, the public often misreads and misrepresents those facts.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/tompride.w ... rvice/amp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;dermotdermot wrote:The press don’t ‘make things up’ about Corbyn, they just state facts that are quite clearly true. At least to people of logically sound mind.
Photoshopping a veteran out of a picture and claiming Corbyn was dancing to the cenotaph is making things up.
http://www.lse.ac.uk/media-and-communic ... emy-corbyn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Then there’s all of this...
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[quote="Spijed"]Did you watch the programme about Jeremy Thorpe? He was as corrupt as they come.
I agree about Thorpe, a horrible odious man as was Ted Heath.
Not everyone has integrity, it is still an individual trait.
I agree about Thorpe, a horrible odious man as was Ted Heath.
Not everyone has integrity, it is still an individual trait.