Labour MP Guilty And Could Be Jailed

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:03 am

What on earth has gone through her mind during this case? Why would you risk everything just to avoid a speeding fine? Absolutely crazy. There must be something else going on here surely?

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:09 am

Foulthrow wrote:There must be something else going on here surely?

I doubt it, she maybe thought speeding fines are for the little people. Told a small lie to get out of it, then needed to tell some more and just kept digging until she ended up here.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:12 am

Plain silly.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:13 am

Yep. Arrogantly thought she would get away with it.

You could almost understand if she was on 9 points.

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:16 am

NottsClaret wrote:I doubt it, she maybe thought speeding fines are for the little people. Told a small lie to get out of it, then needed to tell some more and just kept digging until she ended up here.

But surely she had the chance to ‘fess’ up at some point? Cite the stress of her new job or something? Surely she should have realised what the consequences would be?

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:28 am

The SRA will boot her out of the solicitor profession, and I expect the voters in her constituency would boot her out of her MP profession.

Bfc · Post by **Bfc** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:14 am

As Foulthrow says, "there must be more to this case". The MPs brother has pleaded guilty to 3 charges of perverting the course of justice. 2 of the charges relate to speeding offences last year. Maybe she thought that as her brother at the time had got made a false declaration and got away with the offence, it was worth a chance of doing the same herself.
The supposed speeding Russian driver was a lodger with her and whoever gave details of him, gave a false phone No and address, making it unlikely he could be traced, to establish the facts.
The true facts came to light when the wife of her press officer read newspaper article of the first case article to her husband and said she ( the MP) was at their house around the time the speed camera had recorded her vehicle speeding. Their house being very close to the Speed Camera. They then reported the matter to the police, which led to the lies being discovered. What I cannot understand is why the jury in the first trial couldn't reach a verdict, on such damming evidence.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:21 am

biggles wrote:Fiona Onasanya Labour MP for Peterborough has been suspended from the Labour Party for perverting the course of justice. Another of Corbyn's harem, another solicitor. I guess that if you put yourself on a pedestal you really should stay within the laws of the land and never, ever kid yourself that you are above all that stuff. Just who can we, the people of the UK trust? Certainly not the legal profession nor many MPs if she is an example of those professions. Thereby not the people who run the UK. I am no Tory supporter but certain biased people on here aren't slow to post when a Tory has 'strayed'.

Breaking the law has no political boundaries - dare I mention the Hamiltons?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:22 am

99% of solicitors give the rest a bad name.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:22 am

biggles wrote:I am no Tory supporter but certain biased people on here aren't slow to post when a Tory has 'strayed'.

Perhaps I'm 'biased' but the longest threads are always the Labour bashing ones, not the other way around.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:30 am

houseboy wrote:Breaking the law has no political boundaries - dare I mention the Hamiltons?

It's a long list including some big names (and some for "big" crimes) :
The "Huhnes"
Jeffrey Archer
Jonathan Aitken
Lord Taylor
John Stonehouse

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:53 am

nil_desperandum wrote:It's a long list including some big names (and some for "big" crimes) :
The "Huhnes"
Jeffrey Archer
Jonathan Aitken
Lord Taylor
John Stonehouse

The House of Commons (and the Lords) is full of criminals and n'er-do-wells and these are our law makers. They expect us to live by the laws they themselves want to ignore. It's a pity that we can't have a law that says people in power should pay double the price for a crime simply because they are positions of trust.
I'm a left winger, politically, but I fully accept that politicians of all persuasions are often corrupt and should have no place in government or opposition. I think the worst aspect of it all is the smugness and lies when they are found out, like the cheats who claim expenses for things they shouldn't, they seem to think it's okay if they offer to pay it back when they are found out. If I committed a bank robbery and got caught would they let me off if I paid it back?

Power and corruption go hand-in-hand and it has always been thus I suppose.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:44 am

Corky wrote:With regard to Corbyn, both my wife and I watch this on TV a couple of times and whilst we agreed that he seemed to say stupid we could not make out what the second word was. Well done those who were absolutely positive it was woman. Neither my wife nor I are members of a political party.

With regard to the Peterborough MP she could still, technically, remain an MP depending on the type and length of penalty. This needs to change.

She could but now there is the recall petition,i.e if 10% of her constituents sign a petition,the MP loses their seat and a by-election is automatically triggered,there was a recall petition in North Antrim Ian Paisley Jnr's seat,which he narrowly survived as the 10% threshold wasn't quite reached,given the slim majority in the Peterborough seat any petition here is almost certain to be successful.

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:54 am

I have watched the comment by Mr Corbyn, and can not see anything but stupid woman (yes I am very good at lip reading having worked in a factory with heavy machinery running so had to lip read 15 years experience and got little wrong)
With regard to this MP she should get a heavy sentence for her perverting the justice system given her background and position.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:00 pm

May and Corbyn are still leaders of their respective parties as they're both supremely confident in their mutually assured incompetence.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:18 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Weren't you openly saying that you 100% could tell what that nobhead Chelsea fan was saying to Raheem Sterling?

When the boot fits & all

Who else reckons CoolClaret won't apologise for this?

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:48 pm

dermotdermot wrote:Obviously took a leaf out of her leader’s book who showed, once again today, what a bare faced lier he is.

Thought Corbyn had a beard ?

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:35 pm

but enough about this, does anyone here have an opinion on brexit? Can't see a thread about it.

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:32 pm

Chris Huhne and Vicky Pryce got 8 months jail apiece.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:45 pm

Compare and contrast...

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upanatem · Post by **upanatem** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:57 pm

I am hard of hearing, and have worn hearing aids for about 15 years. During this time I have learned to lipread, and I believe strongly that Corbyn said: 'stupid woman'. The letter 'w' is formed by puckering the mouth with the mouth open, the letter 'p' by closing the mouth with the lips pressed firmly together.

Lord Rothbury · Post by **Lord Rothbury** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:44 pm

Looks likely he said stupid woman not stupid people.But who really cares it is nothing compared to his years of support for numerous anti British terrorist groups.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:47 pm

If he did call her a stupid woman, as is his right - and, let's be honest, he's not wrong - his only "crime" is to deny it.
It's laughable that as this so - called government's party is falling apart and the basic fabric of the country, law, health, the economy and so on are turning to ****, our "honourable" MPs spend precious time bickering over this kind of crap.
Far better, Jezza, to call her a pathetic, weak, haggard, stupid old crone out loud so there can be no doubt what you and plenty of others feel about this lousy excuse for a PM.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:48 pm

Lord Rothbury wrote:Looks likely he said stupid woman not stupid people.But who really cares it is nothing compared to his years of support for numerous anti British terrorist groups.

What support is that ?

Lord Rothbury · Post by **Lord Rothbury** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:55 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:What support is that ?

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basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:56 pm

Surely 8 months jail like Chris Huhne (and Vicky Price - although she still gets work on the box).

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:04 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:If he did call her a stupid woman, as is his right - and, let's be honest, he's not wrong - his only "crime" is to deny it.
It's laughable that as this so - called government's party is falling apart and the basic fabric of the country, law, health, the economy and so on are turning to ****, our "honourable" MPs spend precious time bickering over this kind of crap.
Far better, Jezza, to call her a pathetic, weak, haggard, stupid old crone out loud so there can be no doubt what you and plenty of others feel about this lousy excuse for a PM.

I know it's the pantomime season but a whole day wasted on he said,she said,while the country wonders what the hell is going with brexit,amongst other things.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:59 pm

It is a small matter but the fact remains that Corbyn lied. He could have just apologized and that would have been the end of it, but that is obviously beyond him. It shows him up as a liar and makes you think well maybe he has lied on other occasions and will do so again in the future.

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:08 pm

He's ****** on his chips.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:19 pm

dermotdermot wrote:It is a small matter but the fact remains that Corbyn lied. He could have just apologized and that would have been the end of it, but that is obviously beyond him. It shows him up as a liar and makes you think well maybe he has lied on other occasions and will do so again in the future.

Exactly dd he gave the story legs by not nipping it in the bud,most people couldn't care less what said,many will even agree with his sentiments,,but he doesn't come out of this affair well by his evasiveness,especially by claiming he represents a gentler style of politics.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:35 pm

Ah, the Corbyn hate club. The man who many Conservatives apparently voted for back in 2015, paying their £3 fee, who would make Labour "unelectable" - and now again, anything at all he's accused of doing is jumped on by all four donkey feet. Never mind the fact Phil Hammond used the same words out loud in parliament. Never mind the fact this government's austerity program has impacted mostly on single female parents. Theresa May handing the whip back to a pair of men being investigated for being sex pests? Now Corbyn is a misogynist due to your lip reading skills? It takes the conversation away from the car crash Brexit issue - which he nailed May over during PMQs. The Tory "calm down dear" machine would love you to obsess over whether or not Corbyn said woman or people, rather than considering how utterly **** they are.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:21 am

Excellent, AJB.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:09 am

Sadly he's played into their hands, now more than ever we need an effective opposition. Which ever of one of his advisors decided a denial was the way to go, f'd up royally!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:15 am

Course, Andrews post is spot on. The only bit he's wrong on is that Corbyn is actually unelectable.

There isn't any other explanation for his party continuously being behind in the opinion polls with this shitshower in government.

Doesn't mean left wing socialist policies are dead (though I suspect whoever was in charge would struggle) but I'm not the only one struggling to get my head around Labours continuing calls for another election when the polls suggest they might well lose.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:16 am

And anyone who thinks Labour (or any other political party to be honest) isn't in completely the wrong place at the moment is in cloud cuckoo land

Lord Rothbury · Post by **Lord Rothbury** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:13 am

AndrewJB and ESE plus many more will support Corbyn through thick and thin as they see him as someone who will bring in a socialist utopia as in Venezuela.Those who would be considered as older more traditional Labour voters,myself for one ,see a different outcome to any Corbyn led future government.

I fully remember when the communist led unions often brought the country to a stand still and I was one of those that joined the engineers strike and supported the miners.

I have not voted Labour since the farce of Peter Pike being replaced when it was decided by the local Labour that only females could apply to stand .Bit ironic now Corbyn has got himself into this recent mess.I had great optimism in Kinnock and then Blair who both turned into money grabbing self promotionalists

A lot of more traditional Labour voters see Corbyn as an anti British traitor who will run down our armed forces leaving us virtually defenseless.
,they have fears about mass immigration and the accompanying rising levels of crime.Now he has presented himself as a spineless barefaced liar.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:40 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Course, Andrews post is spot on. The only bit he's wrong on is that Corbyn is actually unelectable.

There isn't any other explanation for his party continuously being behind in the opinion polls with this shitshower in government.

Doesn't mean left wing socialist policies are dead (though I suspect whoever was in charge would struggle) but I'm not the only one struggling to get my head around Labours continuing calls for another election when the polls suggest they might well lose.

Most polls that i've seen recently show both major parties around 40%,and if there was an election in the new year,it's likely to result in another hung parliament,the one advantage of an early election is the DUP wouldn't hold sway as they do now.

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:45 am

Dan Jones was our last Labour MP.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:51 am

I was a member of the Labour Party in Burnley during the 70s and 80s and can fully sympathise with his lordship's remarks. I was also a shop steward for the AUEW and involved in the Engineering strike of 1979 and stood on many a picket line including during the miner's strike to the extent that I attracted the attention of the Economic League. LR's comments about Corbyn are spot on. He is no new Messiah sent to lead us to a socialist utopia. He is a self indulgent fool thrust into a position for which he is totally unsuited by a bunch of condescending patronising idiots because they thought it "widen the debate". The real villains in this charade that is the current Labour party are Thornberry et al who committed that stupid deed in the first place. They are Corbyn's stupid women, people whatever you want.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:03 pm

Chobulous wrote:A whole career in ruins because of 3 penalty points. You just cannot credit it. The only explanation is that she probably felt that she was untouchable, able to do anything she wanted. Either that or she is just profoundly stupid.

I think Dianne Abbott looked at her clean licence, potential 3 points to go on it and advised her to try and pass them to someone else, as 12 points usually means a ban

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:20 pm

Lord Rothbury wrote:Looks likely he said stupid woman not stupid people.But who really cares it is nothing compared to his years of support for numerous anti British terrorist groups.

Wasn't this just a sotto voce mumbled comment? As such it is more akin to a thought than an audible statement. Of course one might think that that the furore was whipped up to such a ridiculous level in response to the SNP leader in the house who (on the previous day) drew attention to the cry of "Go back to Skye" from the government benches but I cannot imagine that our political parties would play such childish tit for tat games.

And why on earth is "Stupid woman" seen to be sexist? Is "Stupid man" sexist?

If ever there was a non-story then this was it.

As for the labour MP and her lies ......what a stupid woman.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:55 pm

keith1879 wrote:Wasn't this just a sotto voce mumbled comment? As such it is more akin to a thought than an audible statement. Of course one might think that that the furore was whipped up to such a ridiculous level in response to the SNP leader in the house who (on the previous day) drew attention to the cry of "Go back to Skye" from the government benches but I cannot imagine that our political parties would play such childish tit for tat games.

And why on earth is "Stupid woman" seen to be sexist? Is "Stupid man" sexist?

If ever there was a non-story then this was it.

As for the labour MP and her lies ......what a stupid woman.

The big story is that he told the House of Commons, from the dispatch box, that he didn't say "stupid woman". Being caught lying to the House is a big no-no.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:58 pm

Good luck proving it.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:12 pm

I've no time for the bearded waste of space, but this is just an attempt by the useless Conservative to stop people thinking how useless they are.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:07 pm

So, Jeremy Corbyn lying to parliament is a big crime, yet being a pervert isn't?

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Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:08 pm

dsr wrote: Being caught lying to the House is a big no-no.

I thought it was part of an MP's job description......

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:11 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:I thought it was part of an MP's job description......

Lying is OK. Being caught lying isn't.

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:17 pm

dsr wrote:The big story is that he told the House of Commons, from the dispatch box, that he didn't say "stupid woman". Being caught lying to the House is a big no-no.

He didn't "say" anything as far as I can tell. If muttering stuff under your breath is going to result in this sort of nonsense then we are in a very bad place indeed. He can't be caught "lying" because the truth cannot be known.

Unless you are a conservative voter - in which case it's an open and shut case.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:39 pm

Labour MP Ivan Lewis resigns from the party but will continue to sit as an independent https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46641102

Strange that it took him many months to see anti-semitism in the party,yet weeks before his hearing was due he conveniently leaves.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:56 pm

tiger76 wrote:Labour MP Ivan Lewis resigns from the party but will continue to sit as an independent https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46641102

Strange that it took him many months to see anti-semitism in the party,yet weeks before his hearing was due he conveniently leaves.

But no different to the Conservative episode with Andrew Griffiths. Sent over 2000 explicit texts to women and is allowed to re-join the party just before a crucial vote, all because he had 'mental issues'. Very convenient.

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