Women

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:14 am

Genuine question, is it no longer ok for people to refer to the gender of the person? I’ve see the uproar today around the stupid woman comment.

The comment is clearly bad taste however I would of expected issue to be taken with the word stupid yet everything I read is in relation to the word woman

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:22 am

MRG wrote:Genuine question, is it no longer ok for people to refer to the gender of the person? I’ve see the uproar today around the stupid woman comment.

The comment is clearly bad taste however I would of expected issue to be taken with the word stupid yet everything I read is in relation to the word woman

Stupid man would be permitted....#me to is very anti men which seems acceptable these days. Spin it round and there's uproar.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:23 am

MRG wrote:Genuine question, is it no longer ok for people to refer to the gender of the person? I’ve see the uproar today around the stupid woman comment.

The comment is clearly bad taste however I would of expected issue to be taken with the word stupid yet everything I read is in relation to the word woman

Perhaps the Right Honourable Minister for Islington North should learn to keep his mouth shut and then stop lying about what he really said?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:24 am

If you refer to gender while being derogatory, it becomes a sexist comment. Just as referring to race while insulting someone makes it a racist comment. Corbyn was quite happy to admit he used the word "stupid", because calling someone a stupid person is quite acceptable; calling someone a stupid man, probably acceptable; calling someone a stupid woman, apparently not.

I bet if that Chelsea yobbo had directed his foul abuse at Sterling without using the word "black", we wouldn't have heard a dicky bird about it. Using gender or race terms really escalates the issue.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:24 am

In the same way as the pc crowd have a do at anybody using a derogatory adjective followed by a nationality. As though you are having a pop at the entire nation instead of the person.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:25 am

Captain Mainwaring, incidentally, is going to be retrospectively prosecuted for both sexism AND ageism!

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:27 am

in a country that lies about freedom of speech, we are forever backed into a corner thesedays , partly through cowardice, we comply.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:28 am

dsr wrote:Captain Mainwaring, incidentally, is going to be retrospectively prosecuted for both sexism AND ageism!

And Alf garnett?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:30 am

tim_noone wrote:Stupid man would be permitted....#me to is very anti men which seems acceptable these days. Spin it round and there's uproar.

What in the **** has this got to do with #metoo?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:33 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:What in the **** has this got to do with #metoo?

All relevant to little women being offended for whatever reason....

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:36 am

tim_noone wrote:All relevant to little women being offended for whatever reason....

Is it ****.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:37 am

tim_noone wrote:All relevant to little women being offended for whatever reason....

Eh?

Did you even understand what the #metoo movement was about?

harpers_perm · Post by **harpers_perm** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:38 am

What’s the difference between Ironman and Ironwoman?

One is a superhero and the other is a simple command.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:38 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Is it ****.

I'm with BennyD.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:41 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Eh?

Did you even understand what the #metoo movement was about?

Misandry....?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:42 am

tim_noone wrote:I'm with BennyD.

Then at least you can discuss with one another how each of you are wrong.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:43 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Then at least you can discuss with one another how each of you are wrong.

And you with god and is DJ how each of you is right

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:44 am

tim_noone wrote:Misandry....?

Ah, my bad.

Failed to spot you're trolling on this thread.

As you were then.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:44 am

tim_noone wrote:Misandry....?

Rape, sexual assault and sexual harassment.

Just because something is a sexism issue doesn't mean it's a #metoo issue, and by trying to treat everything as if it is you diminish the actual movement.

Your attitude is little different to people who see black people protesting about something/anything and calling it a BLM march.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:45 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Ah, my bad.

Failed to spot you're trolling on this thread.

As you were then.

Your welcome.

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:08 am

When is feminism misandry and when is it ok?
Also, are women wired-up reeght?

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:15 am

dsr wrote:If you refer to gender while being derogatory, it becomes a sexist comment. Just as referring to race while insulting someone makes it a racist comment.

This. End of thread.

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:17 am

MRG wrote:Genuine question, is it no longer ok for people to refer to the gender of the person? I’ve see the uproar today around the stupid woman comment.

The comment is clearly bad taste however I would of expected issue to be taken with the word stupid yet everything I read is in relation to the word woman

It’s a really interesting one this. I agree that the word ‘stupid’, which is subjective in this instance, would be expected to be the more controversial. Yet it is the word ‘woman’, which is objective and factually correct, that appears to be causing the controversy. Bizarre.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:20 am

I was reading how, according to a deaf person who can lip read perfectly, he said, "stupid people".

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:23 am

If that's true then I'm sure all the people calling for him to apologise will make apologies of their own for jumping the gun on this...

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:23 am

Would powerful woman be ok?

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:24 am

MRG wrote:Would powerful woman be ok?

Yes as long as the word powerful doesn't become an insulting term.

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:25 am

Falcon wrote:Yes as long as the word powerful doesn't become an insulting term.

Again, genuine question, is this actually a rule? Like, is it documented somewhere or just common etiquette?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:26 am

A misogynist is a man that hates women nearly as much as many women do.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:27 am

Falcon wrote:Yes as long as the word powerful doesn't become an insulting term.

When it comes to what people can, and cannot say.

Who made you God?......

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:30 am

I've blocked Ringo. I assume he's making a weird point irrelevant to the discussion that suits his warped worldview.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:38 am

Falcon wrote:I've blocked Ringo. I assume he's making a weird point irrelevant to the discussion that suits his warped worldview.

Awkward question?

Block the questioner!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:41 am

Falcon wrote:I've blocked Ringo. I assume he's making a weird point irrelevant to the discussion that suits his warped worldview.

He's posting incel nonsense, as incels tend to do on threads about women.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:54 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:He's posting incel nonsense, as incels tend to do on threads about women.

You should be in a cell. For the benefit of society in general!

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:10 pm

Falcon wrote:This. End of thread.

I'm afraid mate that a cross section of females (I have just spoken to a number of women in the office) says you are wrong. Not one (not even one) said that if they had done something stupid would be offended at being called a 'a stupid woman'. They would not hesitate to call a man a stupid man in similar circumstances and think that it should work both ways. Political correctness, unfortunately, doesn't take into account common sense or humour. This is the problem that most people have with PC, it has a complete lack of context and there is no give or take. It tries to force everone into a procrustean bed of sameness which most people do not want. I used to have a Asian friend at work a few years ago and we used to trade insults based on race with good humour and fun, neither of us took offence at the other and we were good mates. One day one of the people in the office (a woman dare I say) pulled me up for using a racist term to my mate, to which I said 'He doesn't mind so why should you, take it up with him'. People should stop taking offence and bloody grow up. There is a difference between an alledged racist comment that is meant as an insult and one that is made in fun with no harm intended and if some people can't see this it says more about them than it does about the person saying it.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:14 pm

Victor Meldrew is complaining, as we type.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:15 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:You should be in a cell. For the benefit of society in general!

I imagine many people who share your political views really believe that people who hold my political views should be in prison. Watch Brazil to see it happen.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:35 pm

houseboy wrote:I'm afraid mate that a cross section of females (I have just spoken to a number of women in the office) says you are wrong. Not one (not even one) said that if they had done something stupid would be offended at being called a 'a stupid woman'. They would not hesitate to call a man a stupid man in similar circumstances and think that it should work both ways. Political correctness, unfortunately, doesn't take into account common sense or humour. This is the problem that most people have with PC, it has a complete lack of context and there is no give or take. It tries to force everone into a procrustean bed of sameness which most people do not want. I used to have a Asian friend at work a few years ago and we used to trade insults based on race with good humour and fun, neither of us took offence at the other and we were good mates. One day one of the people in the office (a woman dare I say) pulled me up for using a racist term to my mate, to which I said 'He doesn't mind so why should you, take it up with him'. People should stop taking offence and bloody grow up. There is a difference between an alledged racist comment that is meant as an insult and one that is made in fun with no harm intended and if some people can't see this it says more about them than it does about the person saying it.

I get it, I really do. Some of the names I call my friends would sound awful out of context (especially against the gay / minority ones).

I mean more in general. If I call a random woman (say, a motorist who pulled out on me) a "stupid woman" rather than just plain "stupid" it's fair to assume the woman bit is meant to strengthen the insult.

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:38 pm

I was just listening to Oliver's Army by Elvis Costello - does he use the 'n' word in that song?

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:39 pm

I see I've been quoted by RM again. I assume it's still not relevant.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:40 pm

I was a builder on various sites in town centers and you would ear wolf whistle all the time
Now its a crime and classed derogatory and sexist
It was a bit of fun in them days and some woman loved it

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:46 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I imagine many people who share your political views really believe that people who hold my political views should be in prison. Watch Brazil to see it happen.

Perhaps you could answer the question I asked Falcon.

When it comes to what people can and cannot say.

Who made Falcon God?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:02 pm

Falcon wrote:I get it, I really do. Some of the names I call my friends would sound awful out of context (especially against the gay / minority ones).

I mean more in general. If I call a random woman (say, a motorist who pulled out on me) a "stupid woman" rather than just plain "stupid" it's fair to assume the woman bit is meant to strengthen the insult.

I take your point but the emphasis on woman could, for many people mean no more than she is A. stupid and B. a woman. In the context of the situation BOTH terms would be true and therefore no offence should be taken. For what it's worth I hear far more often these days women using the add-on 'man' after an insult or rebuke than the other way around. It's just words and for me the old sticks and stones argument is still valid. Similarly using an insult/rebuke followed by a reference to race to an individual is simply a statement of fact about the individual not a mass insult to a whole race or nation.
As I have stated on here and in other places many times I am an anti-racist egalitarian by nature, anyone who knows me knows this, but I am a hater of political correctness because it has become a massive tool to ban that other passion of mine, freedom of speech and expression.

Chairman/chairwoman/chairperson/chair? The last reduces someone to an inanimate object and is actually the greatest 'insult' of the four. Political correctness these days says the last is correct, how can that possibly be?

I rest my case.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:06 pm

kaptin1 wrote:It’s a really interesting one this. I agree that the word ‘stupid’, which is subjective in this instance, would be expected to be the more controversial. Yet it is the word ‘woman’, which is objective and factually correct, that appears to be causing the controversy. Bizarre.

Absolutely. The subjective is seen as fine but the fact is in dispute. As you say, bizarre.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:12 pm

MRG wrote:Would powerful woman be ok?

That would be loved, accepted, wrapped in a massive bow and given as a present. I think you have hit the proverbial well on the head. The objective term is in dispute because it was preceded by an insult but the same objective term would be fully 'acceptable' if it is preceded by something more praiseworthy. It seems that there is a certain amount of selectivity going on here.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:17 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Perhaps you could answer the question I asked Falcon.

When it comes to what people can and cannot say.

Who made Falcon God?

The Egyptians had a Falcon headed god.

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houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:18 pm

Foulthrow wrote:I was just listening to Oliver's Army by Elvis Costello - does he use the 'n' word in that song?

Is it now an offence to use the word n-i-g-g-e-r even when discussing it with regard to it's intended meaning. I use the hyphens assuming it wouldn't even make it onto the page if I didn't. If you you used 'n' for the same reason please forgive me.

Oh, and yes, I am pretty sure he did.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:27 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Perhaps you could answer the question I asked Falcon.

When it comes to what people can and cannot say.

Who made Falcon God?

You did. No one else. Like all Gods you completely made it up.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:40 pm

Is it OK for me to characterize the Marwen women, collectively, as “fit as ****”

Chip Harrison · Post by **Chip Harrison** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:43 pm

houseboy wrote:I'm afraid mate that a cross section of females (I have just spoken to a number of women in the office) says you are wrong. Not one (not even one) said that if they had done something stupid would be offended at being called a 'a stupid woman'. They would not hesitate to call a man a stupid man in similar circumstances and think that it should work both ways. Political correctness, unfortunately, doesn't take into account common sense or humour. This is the problem that most people have with PC, it has a complete lack of context and there is no give or take. It tries to force everone into a procrustean bed of sameness which most people do not want. I used to have a Asian friend at work a few years ago and we used to trade insults based on race with good humour and fun, neither of us took offence at the other and we were good mates. One day one of the people in the office (a woman dare I say) pulled me up for using a racist term to my mate, to which I said 'He doesn't mind so why should you, take it up with him'. People should stop taking offence and bloody grow up. There is a difference between an alledged racist comment that is meant as an insult and one that is made in fun with no harm intended and if some people can't see this it says more about them than it does about the person saying it.

Good old banter eh! I can be racist, but if I think its funny, its fine.