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Major disruption caused at Gatwick airport by some idiots flying drones over the airport.
Airport closed since 9 pm last night causing scores of flights being diverted.Some passengers kept on one diverted plane for 6 hours on the runway.
Airport authority believe this is a malicious act and has been going on all night.
What is the answer to this dangerous activity.?
Airport closed since 9 pm last night causing scores of flights being diverted.Some passengers kept on one diverted plane for 6 hours on the runway.
Airport authority believe this is a malicious act and has been going on all night.
What is the answer to this dangerous activity.?
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Logged on to see if this was about the Mrs......
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Just spit out my brew at that.Hibsclaret wrote:Logged on to see if this was about the Mrs......
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Has caused absolute chaos, cant believe the government hasn't banned them.
Will it take a plane to come down before they do?
Will it take a plane to come down before they do?
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Best post in a whileHibsclaret wrote:Logged on to see if this was about the Mrs......
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Two drones can shut an airport down? And you can buy these things online whenever you like? I would imagine that the enviro-mentalists will be taking note.
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Drones are dangerous, the high safety standards within the aviation industry and a bit of luck have prevented an accident so far. However, it is only a matter of time until there is one and despite what a lot of people think, drones are more than capable of bringing down an airliner. I obviously have no idea who is responsible for the issues at Gatwick but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a lone environmental activist. Whoever it is should be locked up for a long time, it's akin to driving the wrong way down a motorway in my book.
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Time to bring in Vinnie Jones! Stan would give him a good reference!
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Almost sure to be copy cat incidents. There are some morons out there.
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Surely the army must have some little guided missiles? Or just some rifles?
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I can see eventually, people needing a license to own one.
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Without doubt that should be the tactic the minute controlled airspace is crossed. I think if the operators are caught they would be charged with endangering aircraft which would mean jail on conviction. Needs to be stopped now before it becomes a regular thing for the morons out there.dsr wrote:Surely the army must have some little guided missiles? Or just some rifles?
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There are non-kinetic ways of stopping 'drones'. The issue is a) getting hold of the kit, and b) making sure the systems don't disrupt legitimate electromagnetic spectrum users whoever they may be (ie taxi drivers etc).dsr wrote:Surely the army must have some little guided missiles? Or just some rifles?
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Or aeroplanes coming in to land, presumably.box_of_frogs wrote:There are non-kinetic ways of stopping 'drones'. The issue is a) getting hold of the kit, and b) making sure the systems don't disrupt legitimate electromagnetic spectrum users whoever they may be (ie taxi drivers etc).
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Most newer drones have Geofencing, GPS hardware with maps and preinstalled 'no-go' areas which make it impossible for the everyday person to fly into or ever take off in the wrong areas.
It sounds like these drone have been deliberately tampered with.
It sounds like these drone have been deliberately tampered with.
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There are non-kinetic ways of stopping 'drones'. The issue is a) getting hold of the kit, and b) making sure the systems don't disrupt legitimate electromagnetic spectrum users whoever they may be (ie taxi drivers etc).
Therefore it must be easier to just shoot them out of the sky and not rely on electronics at all.
Therefore it must be easier to just shoot them out of the sky and not rely on electronics at all.
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Exactly.dsr wrote:Surely the army must have some little guided missiles? Or just some rifles?
If the army / RAF can't take these out in a matter of minutes with guided weapons then it really makes you wonder what use we would be if we were under a "proper" attack.
Who needs nuclear weapons when the UK is brought to a standstill by a few drones?
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"Chris Woodroofe, the airport’s chief operating officer, apologised to passengers and said the drones could not be shot down because of the risk of stray bullets causing harm."dsr wrote:Surely the army must have some little guided missiles? Or just some rifles?
Miss and you've got a rifle bullet arcing downrange into who knows what...
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nil_desperandum wrote:Exactly.
If the army / RAF can't take these out in a matter of minutes with guided weapons then it really makes you wonder what use we would be if we were under a "proper" attack.
Who needs nuclear weapons when the UK is brought to a standstill by a few drones?
They could easily if they wanted to but public safety is the issue, but yes launch a surface to air missile at Gatwick airport.
Put away your Daily Mail "reporters" hat.
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Because firing Brimstone missiles across Gatwick Airport is obviously the safest way to resolve this.nil_desperandum wrote:Exactly.
If the army / RAF can't take these out in a matter of minutes with guided weapons then it really makes you wonder what use we would be if we were under a "proper" attack.
Who needs nuclear weapons when the UK is brought to a standstill by a few drones?
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Wouldnt a plane jus smash thru a drone?
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The engines wouldn't. Same as a bird strike I assume
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Why can’t they just send there own drone up to bring it down or is that too simple
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Have they not been talking about licencing these things for a while now?
I realise they have some great applications, but they seem a bit like fireworks. The kind of people who are attracted to them are the kind of people you would least trust in control of one
I realise they have some great applications, but they seem a bit like fireworks. The kind of people who are attracted to them are the kind of people you would least trust in control of one
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No. It obviously depends on the weight of the drone and the speed of the impact. It is possible for a drone to smash straight through the windscreen of an airliner and strike the aircrew or it could be taken in by an engine. Whilst it could equally bounce off a wing etc the risk is there that it could bring an aircraft down so to continue to fly would be dangerous.theroyaldyche wrote:Wouldnt a plane jus smash thru a drone?
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You require a drone pilots licence with the CAA if you want to use one Commercially eg: for film making, surveying etc.Damo wrote:Have they not been talking about licencing these things for a while now?
I realise they have some great applications, but they seem a bit like fireworks. The kind of people who are attracted to them are the kind of people you would least trust in control of one
Recreational drones have built in software to restrict flying to the allowed limits. These drone was been deliberately tampered with.
Soon any drone over 250g will have to be registered with the CAA and an online course taken, but the bill is not in effect yet.
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You would remove the drone problem but potentially cause a foreign object debris hazard across part of the airfield which is just as dangerous.joey13 wrote:Why can’t they just send there own drone up to bring it down or is that too simple
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They're highly maneuverable, trying to hit a drone into another drone which doesn't want to be hit would be very challenging and make the police look rather silly.joey13 wrote:Why can’t they just send there own drone up to bring it down or is that too simple
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I think you missed my point, which is that surely our armed forces have the technology, sophistication and accuracy to bring something like this down in a controlled environment [i.e. on an airfield]?. I did use the term GUIDED weapons.CombatClaret wrote:
They could easily if they wanted to but public safety is the issue, but yes launch a surface to air missile at Gatwick airport.
Put away your Daily Mail "reporters" hat.
And as for the Daily Mail, if you read my posts, you'll know that I'm not a fan of the Daily Mail or a right wing agenda of any kind.
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It's not a job for the police.CombatClaret wrote:They're highly maneuverable, trying to hit a drone into another drone which doesn't want to be hit would be very challenging and make the police look rather silly.
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My apologies.nil_desperandum wrote:I think you missed my point, which is that surely our armed forces have the technology, sophistication and accuracy to bring something like this down in a controlled environment [i.e. on an airfield]?. I did use the term GUIDED weapons.
And as for the Daily Mail, if you read my posts, you'll know that I'm not a fan of the Daily Mail or a right wing agenda of any kind.
In reality, no, the army is designed to take on conventional warfare, planes v planes, tanks v tanks. A rifle would work but as mentioned if you miss you send a bullet off toward some village.
The army/air force doesn't have anything else small enough to be useful.
As for blocking the radio frequency, that's maybe possible but very difficult, like trying to block a cell phone but you've no idea where the caller is. Maybe they have something in the lab but they aren't going to roll it out for this.
This is why police have been experimenting with eagles, a safe and effective countermeasure is not obvious.
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Unless it's declared an act of war I'd argue it is.nil_desperandum wrote:It's not a job for the police.
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Is a spent bullet more dangerous than a spent firework? They send those into the air willy-nilly.CombatClaret wrote:"Chris Woodroofe, the airport’s chief operating officer, apologised to passengers and said the drones could not be shot down because of the risk of stray bullets causing harm."
Miss and you've got a rifle bullet arcing downrange into who knows what...
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And they don’t look silly now ?CombatClaret wrote:They're highly maneuverable, trying to hit a drone into another drone which doesn't want to be hit would be very challenging and make the police look rather silly.
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Jeesseesusdsr wrote:Is a spent bullet more dangerous than a spent firework? They send those into the air willy-nilly.
A bullet isn't "spent", it's live until it hits something and is traveling at around 1,700 mph.
A firework (made of cardboard) has a max of 150mph.
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When I think of a drone, I think of an air version of a remote control car.
Can't they just throw a jumbo jet at it?
What would actually happen if the drone hit a plane? There's must be a reason otherwise the opinion would be... 'so'... but I don't know.
Can't they just throw a jumbo jet at it?
What would actually happen if the drone hit a plane? There's must be a reason otherwise the opinion would be... 'so'... but I don't know.
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I owned a drone for about 15 minutes until it ended up in roundhay lake. Biggest waste of 30!quid ever
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Be amazing if at night though... imagine you're flight gets delayed, but you get a fireworks display as they try and shoot down a drone.CombatClaret wrote:Jeesseesus
A bullet isn't "spent", it's live until it hits something and is traveling at around 1,700 mph.
A firework (made of cardboard) has a max of 150mph.
It'd take the edge of the delay
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I saw this video a while ago, the impact a drone can make hitting a plane
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Jump to about 1:40 for the damage
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Jump to about 1:40 for the damage
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Reminded me of Stan's book when he told the story of Vinnie Jones going off the training field and shooting down a model aeroplane with a shotgun he'd hidden.
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If they're fired straight up, they both have to stop (gravity does that) before they come down. The 1,700 mph becomes irrelevant. Do you have any non-sneering information about bullets fired at an angle?CombatClaret wrote:Jeesseesus
A bullet isn't "spent", it's live until it hits something and is traveling at around 1,700 mph.
A firework (made of cardboard) has a max of 150mph.
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Don’t worry, they’ve brought in some experts, it’ll soon be sorted.
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Surely precedent suggests that it doesn't have to be an act of war to involve the armed forces?CombatClaret wrote:Unless it's declared an act of war I'd argue it is.
They've been used in all sorts of domestic emergency situations.
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Will it kill you, probably not. But it's the sort of thing that would and should ever be a police tactic.dsr wrote:If they're fired straight up, they both have to stop (gravity does that) before they come down. The 1,700 mph becomes irrelevant. Do you have any non-sneering information about bullets fired at an angle?
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So if bullets are out of the question on safety grounds, what will the army bring to the table, a large net?nil_desperandum wrote:Surely precedent suggests that it doesn't have to be an act of war to involve the armed forces?
They've been used in all sorts of domestic emergency situations.
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I don't have an answer apart from the law which should be changed so that anyone caught using one in the vicinity or perimiter designated by the Airport as a no go area gets 10 years in jail, they would then perhaps think about their actions beforehand. We're far too soft on this country.
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Airport runways are checked for debris throughout the dayMrpotatohead wrote:You would remove the drone problem but potentially cause a foreign object debris hazard across part of the airfield which is just as dangerous.
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Yes, we once had to make an emergency abort of a landing just metres from the ground because they spotted what turned out to be a dead/ squashed rabbit on the runway!joey13 wrote:Airport runways are checked for debris throughout the day
We had to go back up for over 30 minutes at a cost of tens of thousands of pounds to the airline whilst they cleared it up.
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Lucky for us the drones aren't armed! Bizarre that they have not been brought down by some means.
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Bloody Aliens get everywhere!