Vokes and Barnes to be sold

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:30 pm

Selling Barnes & Vokes will raise millions. Selling Wood & Vydra won't raise a penny.

Just shows that Dyche and the board have sh#t for brains.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:31 pm

Nonayforever wrote:Selling Barnes & Vokes will raise millions. Selling Wood & Vydra won't raise a penny.

Just shows that Dyche and the board have sh#t for brains.

You really think there's a market for two ageing 6'2 lumps?

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:35 pm

taio wrote:Definitely need to keep Voke and Barne

they are our best two corers.

Chris Wood scored a great goal at the London Stadium not that many weeks back - and wasn't that far away from a second.

UTC

BurnleyPaul · Post by **BurnleyPaul** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:52 pm

If selling either one allows us to purchase a better striker then we HAVE to do it. Yes- we know what they both offer us but we cannot allow loyalty to be at the detriment of improving the squad...

Personally I’d be selling Vokes before Barnes but if we can get in the region of £10m for either I don’t see how we can turn it down- not because we need the money but because it allows the club to move forward.

We only have a 25 man squad remember and we need to move players on if we want to develop the team.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:55 pm

10 million for either of them would be daylight robbery

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:59 pm

Barnes has played 144 games for us and scored a massive 25 goals.

Bangers&Mash · Post by **Bangers&Mash** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:00 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:10 million for either of them would be daylight robbery

£10m for both of them would be daylight robbery.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:02 pm

Sell to buy?........Where the f**k has our money gone!

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:03 pm

BurnleyPaul wrote:If selling either one allows us to purchase a better striker then we HAVE to do it. Yes- we know what they both offer us but we cannot allow loyalty to be at the detriment of improving the squad...

Personally I’d be selling Vokes before Barnes but if we can get in the region of £10m for either I don’t see how we can turn it down- not because we need the money but because it allows the club to move forward.

We only have a 25 man squad remember and we need to move players on if we want to develop the team.

If the money is invested in a better striker fair enough,but who is this mythical goalscorer and could we afford the wages,both Barnes and Vokes are contracted till 2021,both are 29 so not much to split them,Middlesborough were sniffing around Sam last summer but i'm not aware of rumours about Ash.

Assuming none of the youngsters are good enough for a first team gig,if we sell a replacement will have to be lined up ASAP.If this is Jay Rod let's get business down quickly.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:04 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Barnes has played 144 games for us and scored a massive 25 goals.

Not a bad return,in the Premier league feeding off scraps

Bangers&Mash · Post by **Bangers&Mash** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:05 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Sell to buy?........Where the f**k has our money gone!

It's unlikely to be freeing up money as an outlay. More the wage bill.

Pretty sure if be told the same if I asked the boss for more staff - you can't have more payroll when you're paying people to do nothing

Parkvilla · Post by **Parkvilla** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:07 pm

Why do we have to sell to buy.Mr Garlick where has 3 seasons of premiership money gone!!!!!!

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:09 pm

Parkvilla wrote:Why do we have to sell to buy.Mr Garlick where has 3 seasons of premiership money gone!!!!!!

He hangs around with Harry Redknapp betting on everything that moves,he's lost the f***ing lot!

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:13 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Not a bad return,in the Premier league feeding off scraps

2 seasons in the Champ

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:14 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:2 seasons in the Champ

Still not bad mate,he gives us more than goals,I for one would be very sorry to see Barnes leave us

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:18 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:2 seasons in the Champ

29 games

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:19 pm

OK you've convinced me. He's a great goal scorer.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:22 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:OK you've convinced me. He's a great goal scorer.

12 starts.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:26 pm

Pommieclaret wrote:I have been a Clarets fan for over 50yrs and it seems we always have to have a scapegoat.This season it's Woods. I have to agree that he has been poor but come on guys the service our front players receive is crap by premier league standards. Maybe SD and his staff could get the ream to move the ball a little bit faster on the ground and not hoof it up front to a lone striker.

Completely agree.
We just don't play to Wood's strength..
I've said before he needs the ball coming in from the corners, not from our half. It isn't his fault SD wants him to do things he isn't capable of. To be honest we should either change our style to accommodate him, or play the same way and drop him for Vokes.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:29 pm

There's no way Barnes is going anywhere. We have no one up front who can do what he does for us, in fact there isn't anyone outside the club who could do what Barnes does.
Integral to so many of our options and a typical Dyche style of player.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:35 pm

Wood got 24 in 10 last season.

Just because like many others he's not playing well this year we shouldn't just get rid.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:38 pm

Spijed wrote:Wood got 24 in 10 last season.

Just because like many others he's not playing well this year we shouldn't just get rid.

That's some record.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:43 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/12/23/r ... rodriguez/

Nixon tweet + our summer interest = story

Not saying it won't come to pass like they theorise

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:50 pm

Spijed wrote:Wood got 24 in 10 last season.

Just because like many others he's not playing well this year we shouldn't just get rid.

24 goals in 10 games is mighty impressive for someone who's scored 11 goals during his time here.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:59 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:24 goals in 10 games is mighty impressive for someone who's scored 11 goals during his time here.

Yes, indeed it is

Obviously it should be 10 in 24 league games.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:04 pm

When was the last time Nixon was right

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:07 pm

Spijed wrote:Yes, indeed it is

Obviously it should be 10 in 24 league games.

I'd wager Defour assisted in most of those goals,but i'm prepared to be proved wrong,the system doesn't suit Wood's style of play and he is not the confident player from last season,he bagged a couple of goals early in his Clarets career,including a gift from the Palace keeper,which removed the pressure off his shoulders,the problem is if he doesn't score he contributes nothing offensively.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:09 pm

TVC15 wrote:Maybe he is forming an opinion based on when he had seen of him on the pitch.

- How long have we seen 40 minutes maybe? Is that really enough to judge a player's ability?

Maybe he’s forming it based on his career to date.

- How can you judge that fairly at Premier League level?

To say he isn't good enough is simply ridiculous in my mind. At least give the lad a fighting chance before making those judgements.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:13 pm

tiger76 wrote:I'd wager Defour assisted in most of those goals,but i'm prepared to be proved wrong,the system doesn't suit Wood's style of play and he is not the confident player from last season,he bagged a couple of goals early in his Clarets career,including a gift from the Palace keeper,which removed the pressure off his shoulders,the problem is if he doesn't score he contributes nothing offensively.

Six came after Defour was injured last season

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:20 pm

I think certain things to a degree are boring & stale now & some supporters just want freshness, maybe a new man with innovative ideas & some new players subscribing to the same ideology, even if it means relegation, everything ultimately has to run its course.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:36 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:I think certain things to a degree are boring & stale now & some supporters just want freshness, maybe a new man with innovative ideas & some new players subscribing to the same ideology, even if it means relegation, everything ultimately has to run its course.

The trouble is are there any managers out there with a proven track record of promotion if we get relegated?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:40 pm

burnleymik wrote:- How long have we seen 40 minutes maybe? Is that really enough to judge a player's ability?

- How can you judge that fairly at Premier League level?

To say he isn't good enough is simply ridiculous in my mind. At least give the lad a fighting chance before making those judgements.

Maybe check how long he has actually played - it’s a lot more than 40 minutes

Why can’t you judge whether a player is good enough for premier league by looking at his previous career ? If I go to Townley on a Sunday afternoon I can judge pretty well whether they are good enough !

As I said it’s exactly the same as those who judge him to be good enough - it’s an opinion

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:42 pm

Can't believe people are slagging off Vydra, he has yet to be given a proper chance to show himself.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:54 pm

Grumps wrote:.... If you believe Mr nixon in the sun today.

Nixon and Sun? Well if that’s the sort of rubbish you take notice of your welcome to it.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:05 pm

Mental if true.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:49 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Mental if true.

Can’t see it. Why the feck would Jay want to come here at the moment.

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:11 pm

Sounds more like we're trying to get the market moving early, which ultimately benefits us.

It's evident we need to improve in the forward areas. We have three big lads and Vydra, who doesn't seem to be able to get anywhere near the side. We need to change it up and we need some more quality up there to take the limited number of chances we get. The fact that Tarkowski is our joint top scorer this season probably says it all.

On top of that, we need to get some more quality out wide to actually create the chances. If we're going to persist with 3-5-2, then we almost certainly need a right back. Lowton keeps getting dropped and Bardsley isn't good enough to play that role week in, week out. Alternatively, if Dyche moves back to his 4-4-2, which is inevitably will at some point, then we need some more quality out wide. Brady and JBG are made of glass, Lennon is a good option late on in games but doesn't produce much from the start.

I don't think it's too bad a move moving Barnes and Vokes on if we get some genuine quality to go with Wood and Vydra. I find it hard to believe we'd get rid of both when Barnes is starting games and Vokes is regularly used as an option.

It's going to be an interesting window.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:19 pm

Like to see Vydra start with Barnes v Everton. The lad has had no or little game time and is prepared to run the channels, and put himself about and he has speed. If its not working change it at half time. We cant just keep recycling forwards like Walters, Wells and now him not knowing how good these guys are

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:31 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Nixon and Sun? Well if that’s the sort of rubbish you take notice of your welcome to it.

Nixon gets most stuff right about Burnley... It's in the sun, because that's who he works for.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:38 pm

I like Barnes, maybe I’d keep him. Would look for a Vokes buyer though. He’s not the future of the team if we want to be progressive I’m afraid. But neither is Jay Rodriguez if god forbid we still want him.

Time to be ruthless, not sentimental.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:41 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Nixon and Sun? Well if that’s the sort of rubbish you take notice of your welcome to it.

Nixon is virtually always right about us in recent times. You may not like it, but he’s the best source on Burnley.

Targetman · Post by **Targetman** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:42 pm

Grumps wrote: Nixon gets most stuff right about Burnley... It's in the sun, because that's who he works for.

Rubbish! Nixon gets very little right about Burnley, you must have a selective memory.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:11 pm

Targetman wrote:Rubbish! Nixon gets very little right about Burnley, you must have a selective memory.

Go on then, remind me

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:19 pm

Jumping into someone else's argument but I think its about 50:50 of what he says comes to pass... or close to.

However, I think this is more "knowing Burnley" than in the know.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:37 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:Vokes i can imagine, Barnes is our only in form striker, would be madness to sell him prob just daft rumour.

Wood can go for me looks out of sorts completely out of form with no improvement in sight, the way hes showing up you worry about his mental health. Face like a smacked arse. Maybe something is up wit( him who knows....

Vydra needs games and he caused arsenal problems yesterday so happy for him to stay and play himself into the team ( if hes allowed)

We have wasted so much money on striking dross previously i dont see why we wont have to recoup some money before spending

Need a big signing upfront in january no two ways about it!

Absolutely wasted mo ey on strikers. For all we soent we coukd surely have got one good one. Mind strikers rely on midfield service and well.....

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:38 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:Vokes i can imagine, Barnes is our only in form striker, would be madness to sell him prob just daft rumour.

Wood can go for me looks out of sorts completely out of form with no improvement in sight, the way hes showing up you worry about his mental health. Face like a smacked arse. Maybe something is up wit( him who knows....

Vydra needs games and he caused arsenal problems yesterday so happy for him to stay and play himself into the team ( if hes allowed)

We have wasted so much money on striking dross previously i dont see why we wont have to recoup some money before spending

Need a big signing upfront in january no two ways about it!

Absolutely wasted mo ey on strikers. For all we soent we coukd surely have got one good one. Mind strikers rely on midfield service and well.....

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:03 pm

I suppose there may be some sense behind Vokes and Barnes to be sold.

It's goals we're short of and they've only managed 6 between them.
Creating chances is another issue and we've only averaged about 8 attempts
on goal per game with just over 3 on average on target.
Those aren't the sort of stats that are going to keep us up.

So a potentially radical shake up up front if we are to believe they will both go
although I don't think that will happen. Possibly Vokes and Vydra or Wood although
personally I'd keep Wood.

Can't imagine who we might get in to replace either or both but suspect it
maybe one loan forward and a an other unknown from far afield?
The only other potential option is Neil Maupay at Brentford. Another Championship top scorer.
None of the other top scorers who play for Championship teams challenging for promotion or play offs
we'd have much chance of getting.

It's a risky but possibly brave strategy if it's true and happens.

However, we do need at least one new striker especially as Wood doesn't look
to be capable of reproducing his early form for us.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:27 pm

All our stats ignore the quality of chances we create.
When did we last create a one on one; strikers vs keeper?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:31 pm

boatshed bill wrote:All our stats ignore the quality of chances we create.
When did we last create a one on one; strikers vs keeper?

1987 against Orient

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:32 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:1987 against Orient

I'm sure we put Danny Ings in a few times!