Vokes and Barnes to be sold

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:58 am

.... If you believe Mr nixon in the sun today.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:02 am

Danny Welbeck coming in (if you believe me)

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:02 am

If he had said Woods and Vydra I may have listened and maybe agreed.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:03 am

The Enclosure wrote:If he had said Woods and Vydra I may have listened and maybe agreed.

Woods alert

Pommieclaret · Post by **Pommieclaret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:13 am

I have been a Clarets fan for over 50yrs and it seems we always have to have a scapegoat.This season it's Woods. I have to agree that he has been poor but come on guys the service our front players receive is crap by premier league standards. Maybe SD and his staff could get the ream to move the ball a little bit faster on the ground and not hoof it up front to a lone striker.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:17 am

It’s Wood - no S !!
he’s been no scapegoat - he has been awful pretty much all of 2018. Whether we hit it long or pass it to him - and we have done both - he has been slow, poor touch or stood offside.

if we are going to sell anyone we need to cut our losses on Wood and Vydra and try and recoup half of the £25m we have spent on them

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:18 am

Pommieclaret wrote:I have been a Clarets fan for over 50yrs and it seems we always have to have a scapegoat.This season it's Woods. I have to agree that he has been poor but come on guys the service our front players receive is crap by premier league standards. Maybe SD and his staff could get the ream to move the ball a little bit faster on the ground and not hoof it up front to a lone striker.

As you say Wood has been poor.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:27 am

taio wrote:As you say Wood has been poor.

You ae being unduly kind to him there.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:39 am

I hate to single players out but Wood’s first touch is a toss up between that of an elephant or a rapist ( or a combination of the two! ) he’s so shockingly out of sorts and he’s had a decent run as well . I was proud of the way we performed yesterday as it’s the weakest team I’ve seen is put out since possibly the Juke/Sordell West Brom Jobby though they fought for their lives

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:57 am

I have changed my mind on this and would keep Vokes and Barnes (they do a job) but we need two other strikers that are much better. Wood and Vydra are not.

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:04 am

Not sure how anyone could say vydra was or wasn't good enough given the time he's spent on the pitch.
Wood doesn't give you much unless you're creating chances. I actually think he's the best and most natural finisher we have, but we're not creating much at all by way of chances so he's being stripped of his best asset.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:22 am

Vydra wii get plenty of chances to become the latest scapegoat on here , be patient.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:33 am

How anybody can say Vydra isn’t good enough based on the number of minutes he’s actually played is a mystery.

If he’d been given the same amount of time Wood has had then fair enough but to base it on the 5/10mins he gets at the end of a game that’s already lost is ridiculous

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:33 am

Please keep Vokes and Barnes.
Wood can go for me, and we will lose money on him.

Vydra has hardly had a real chance to shine has he?

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:40 am

There definitely is a footballer in Woods although at the moment you would not think so.
The biggest disappointment in Woods is he lacks the appropriate passion, desire and effort to be a success at this level
He really needs to pull his finger out, look interested and put a shift in

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:02 am

I think the strikers are getting a pretty rough deal having to do their best with scraps. We create very little are pedestrian in our build up unless we hoof it and have no speed or trickery and our passing at times if woeful.
Hard to see a way forward with the present squad and we need to offload a few to allow us a fresh 25 for the rest of the season

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:10 am

The Enclosure wrote:If he had said Woods and Vydra I may have listened and maybe agreed.

Who's Woods?

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:13 am

Posters are now typing ‘Woods’ on purpose in order to (successfully) antagonise people like me..

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:16 am

I cannot see anything in his twitter or on the sun website. Can someone show me a source for this? I don't buy the sun paper.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:16 am

I think Vydra will be an asset used properly, his pace is something we are seriously lacking and with more game time, I think he could be very useful. Wood on the other hand is really out of sorts. He is getting into the right positions, but then I am not sure if it's composure, confidence or whatever, but it all seems to go to hell as soon as the ball reaches him in the box.

Barnes would be a huge loss, his battle, work-rate and fight is exactly what we need.

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:22 am

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Is that the correct spelling?

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:25 am

How come every post quickly descends into a slagging session about Chris Wood?

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:27 am

Cirrus_Minor wrote:How come every post quickly descends into a slagging session about Chris Wood?

Maybe because there is a discussion of selling strikers, leaving us with one guy who gets no game time and the other who is badly out of sorts? If the thread is about selling strikers, discussing what we already have is part of that?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:28 am

"Testing market to see if buyers for Barnes and Vokes. Sounds like a window shake up on cards." Just tweeted by Nixon...

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:31 am

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Tweet in question

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:39 am

I'm undecided about selling Vokes and Barnes depends who we have lined up as replacements,neither will be prolific at this level but both can make a contribution,this season they both have 3 Premier League goals to their name,that sounds poor but as mentioned further up the thread with our lack of service to the forwards would someone like Danny Welbeck fare any better.

Kevwando · Post by **Kevwando** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:45 am

Unsure why we would offer Vokes a 3 year contract in October to sell in January

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:52 am

Selling Wood & Vydra after so little time with us would make it so obvious we thought they were cr8p we'd be lucky to get even half back.

Barnes & Vokes have been with us long enough to show they have good attributes (eg: target man, physical) and potential for a 10 goal season. I'm sure there are team out there who'd fancy them, Championship or maybe someone like Cardiff who lack a proper No9.
Would be a big gamble to sell both and pin hopes on new signings though unless we have some really interesting target we'd need to break the bank on.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:58 am

Barnes is the most positive of them all!

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:05 pm

How could we possibly think about selling Barnes?

SpringHillClaret · Post by **SpringHillClaret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:07 pm

Hard to believe we would sell Barnes. Vydra is the real question. He appears to be very much out of favour and certainly looked off the pace at the Emirates.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:14 pm

We don't like to advertise our mistakes, If we want shut of Vydra he'll quietly go out on load with the option of selling ala Wells & Walters.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:18 pm

Why would we sell the two players who look the most likely to score the goals that we desperately need to keep us in this division?

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:45 pm

Nonsense.

Barnes is essential to us right now.
Vokes is our best target man by a mile.
Wood is an out of form finisher in a team not creating chances. His confidence is shot but will return given time.
Vydra has not had a reasonable chance in games to judge game time.

I could see a couple of loans possibly if we're confident of getting a starter in but I cannot see the sense of letting any of them go in January.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:27 pm

Not a chance of SD selling Barnes unless we get an offer we can't refuse. SD knows what he gets with Barnes, the other strikers are hit and miss.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:48 pm

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ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:50 pm

Christ. Rodriguez is not the answer to our problems.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:51 pm

Rather worrying if we have to sell to buy

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:53 pm

Vokes i can imagine, Barnes is our only in form striker, would be madness to sell him prob just daft rumour.

Wood can go for me looks out of sorts completely out of form with no improvement in sight, the way hes showing up you worry about his mental health. Face like a smacked arse. Maybe something is up wit( him who knows....

Vydra needs games and he caused arsenal problems yesterday so happy for him to stay and play himself into the team ( if hes allowed)

We have wasted so much money on striking dross previously i dont see why we wont have to recoup some money before spending big.

Need a big signing upfront in january no two ways about it!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:54 pm

Definitely keep them.

Woods and Geoff Hendricks have to go for me though.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:57 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Definitely keep them.

Woods and Geoff Hendricks have to go for me though.

Definitely need to keep Voke and Barne

fungus_the_bogeyman · Post by **fungus_the_bogeyman** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:01 pm

Why the hell would we sell our two best strikers?

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:05 pm

This loyalty thing will be the death of us, we need to change..take chances. Wood,Hydra, Hendrick are clearly not good enough, and to a degree the same could be said of Sam and Ash...however those 2 are still effective off the bench. Dyche has to become a lot more clinical in his decision making, absolutely no room for sentiment in the PL

Woonderbah · Post by **Woonderbah** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:06 pm

fungus_the_bogeyman wrote:Why the hell would we sell our two best strikers?

So that WBA can knock back our unacceptable deadline day offer for Jay Rodrigue (aka JayRods)
Come on you know the drill

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:10 pm

ewanrob wrote: Wood,Hydra, Hendrick are clearly not good enough,

Assume you mean Vydra, but how the hell can you possibly know he isn't good enough, given his total minutes on the pitch this season?

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:11 pm

The board will be playing it safe this window and planning for the drop

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:14 pm

Yes Vydra, far to lighweight and doesnt move the ball quick enough. Would love him to be a hit, and i really hope im wrong. But he is a million miles from what we need, as i say..far to much sentiment involved. We are a business, we need to stay in this league.

Stockbrokerbelt · Post by **Stockbrokerbelt** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:16 pm

Just given vokes a new contract?

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:21 pm

Barnes is our best striker always gives his all.Despite provocation from Arsenal and inept Freind, Ash had another good game.Jeff Hendrick also played well.Unfortunatly dithering Ben was at fault for twi of the goals,backing off and allowing forwards far too mich room

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:23 pm

burnleymik wrote:Assume you mean Vydra, but how the hell can you possibly know he isn't good enough, given his total minutes on the pitch this season?

Maybe he is forming an opinion based on when he had seen of him on the pitch.
Maybe he’s forming it based on his career to date.
It’s just the same as those who think he should be starting every week because he played ok against Bournemouth.

I agree he looks lightweight and never seems to have the ball under control when he gets it - he seems to set off with the ball but no idea what he is going to do with it. That may well be he is trying too hard to impress because he is not getting much of a chance but he does not look like a £10m plus striker to me (not that £10m gets you much these days)