How much more of this must we endure?

This Forum is the main messageboard to discuss all things Claret and Blue and beyond
bf2k
Posts: 217
Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:52 pm
Been Liked: 52 times
Has Liked: 140 times
Location: Burnley

How much more of this must we endure?

Post by bf2k » Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:54 pm

Dyche hasn't a thing since February. WTF is this we're paying to see? He's done wonders for us but it's failing now and must change.

Reecey1987
Posts: 1814
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:21 pm
Been Liked: 190 times
Has Liked: 89 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Reecey1987 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:55 pm

Any other club will be sacking there manager now thjs run has been awful since december last year
This user liked this post: cockneyclaret

Lord Beamish
Posts: 4844
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:00 pm
Been Liked: 3294 times
Has Liked: 2445 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Lord Beamish » Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:55 pm

He’s got to go, as far as I’m concerned. He’s a busted flush here. Time for a new broom.

ClaretAndJew
Posts: 6774
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:08 am
Been Liked: 2280 times
Has Liked: 462 times
Location: Earth

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by ClaretAndJew » Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:55 pm

9 defeats in 11

SkiptonClaret
Posts: 1130
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:06 pm
Been Liked: 203 times
Has Liked: 65 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by SkiptonClaret » Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:56 pm

Been found out I’m afraid. One trick dinosaur and that trick ain’t working.

Funkydrummer
Posts: 6532
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:50 pm
Been Liked: 2374 times
Has Liked: 1618 times
Location: Burnley

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Funkydrummer » Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:57 pm

Statistically he's been sh!te for twelve months.
This user liked this post: randomclaret2

CombatClaret
Posts: 3383
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:09 pm
Been Liked: 1488 times
Has Liked: 726 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by CombatClaret » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:02 pm

Until we're back where we started with Dyche

Right_winger
Posts: 1784
Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:28 pm
Been Liked: 414 times
Has Liked: 381 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Right_winger » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:04 pm

I won’t be enduring this any longer. Dyche will have to go before I go back on.

warksclaret
Posts: 1247
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:13 pm
Been Liked: 323 times
Has Liked: 2 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by warksclaret » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:05 pm

Total lack of tactics-5 at the back, lumping it at Vokes for 90 minutes, no wide players until the end, Enough is enough

MACCA
Posts: 12102
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:10 am
Been Liked: 3120 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by MACCA » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:06 pm

bf2k wrote:Dyche hasn't a thing since February. WTF is this we're paying to see? He's done wonders for us but it's failing now and must change.
The sensible people won't be doing it whilst these things seem to be accepted by one and all

Belgianclaret
Posts: 1263
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:41 am
Been Liked: 474 times
Has Liked: 101 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Belgianclaret » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:09 pm

Other teams have evolved, we've stagnated and are now very easily sussed out.
Penny pinching board and total lack of any decent scouting system to blame
These 4 users liked this post: cockneyclaret longside72 randomclaret2 SGr

texasbrit
Posts: 151
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:42 pm
Been Liked: 30 times
Has Liked: 3 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by texasbrit » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:16 pm

until the end of his contract or we are relegated from the championship which ever is the soonest

burnley007
Posts: 918
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:49 am
Been Liked: 186 times
Has Liked: 281 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by burnley007 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:17 pm

1st time I've even contemplated the idea, but I can't see any other option atm.
We are only getting worse.
These 2 users liked this post: Funkydrummer burnleymik

FactualFrank
Posts: 20329
Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:46 am
Been Liked: 5653 times
Has Liked: 9645 times
Location: Leeds

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by FactualFrank » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:17 pm

Until January 2020, if we aren't looking like making a return to the Premier League. I think the board would perhaps make a move then and bring somebody in to help bring us back up.

CombatClaret
Posts: 3383
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:09 pm
Been Liked: 1488 times
Has Liked: 726 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by CombatClaret » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:20 pm

Belgianclaret wrote:Other teams have evolved, we've stagnated and are now very easily sussed out.
Penny pinching board and total lack of any decent scouting system to blame
I still respect the board for not giving in to pressure to put the club in debt for a league which we'll always be at risk in. Sure it's no fun loosing with dire football but we won't tank.
Last edited by CombatClaret on Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Taffy on the wing
Posts: 979
Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:41 am
Been Liked: 237 times
Has Liked: 863 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Taffy on the wing » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:20 pm

If Tarkowski scores that sitter at the beginning of the second half, it could have been interesting.
Too many screaming ninnies on this board!
This user liked this post: djt2006

cricketfieldclarets
Posts: 18666
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:59 pm
Been Liked: 7215 times
Has Liked: 10002 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:21 pm

I hate to say it. But since he went from a rolling deal to a 75k a week lomg term contract we have been dreadful. Lost the desire?

cricketfieldclarets
Posts: 18666
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:59 pm
Been Liked: 7215 times
Has Liked: 10002 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:21 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:If Tarkowski scores that sitter at the beginning of the second half, it could have been interesting.
Too many screaming ninnies on this board!
And if he didnt...

Vegas Claret
Posts: 15896
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:00 am
Been Liked: 5181 times
Has Liked: 2396 times
Location: clue is in the title

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:22 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:If Tarkowski scores that sitter at the beginning of the second half, it could have been interesting.
Too many screaming ninnies on this board!
you do know Everton scored 5 don't you ?

diamondpocket
Posts: 642
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:18 pm
Been Liked: 97 times
Has Liked: 63 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by diamondpocket » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:22 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:If Tarkowski scores that sitter at the beginning of the second half, it could have been interesting.
Too many screaming ninnies on this board!
yeah, but he didnt!! and it isnt the only IF....... this season

randomclaret2
Posts: 3720
Joined: Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:04 pm
Been Liked: 1693 times
Has Liked: 2455 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by randomclaret2 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:24 pm

"If Tarkowski scores that sitter..." ...clutching at straws. 3 wins in 24 is beyond a joke
.

Right_winger
Posts: 1784
Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:28 pm
Been Liked: 414 times
Has Liked: 381 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Right_winger » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:26 pm

No one with any sane logic can defend Dyche this year.

Bertiebeehead
Posts: 1593
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:28 am
Been Liked: 488 times
Has Liked: 607 times
Location: Franks shed

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Bertiebeehead » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:27 pm

F851F827-60DC-4773-AE98-970C977AE88F.gif
F851F827-60DC-4773-AE98-970C977AE88F.gif (164.21 KiB) Viewed 3057 times
These 3 users liked this post: longsidepies tiger76 Murger

diamondpocket
Posts: 642
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:18 pm
Been Liked: 97 times
Has Liked: 63 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by diamondpocket » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:31 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I hate to say it. But since he went from a rolling deal to a 75k a week lomg term contract we have been dreadful. Lost the desire?
Maybe not consciously but subliminally yeah; he has lost a bit of edge for me and become all a bit too nice, sitting comfy in his chair buying the characters he likes and the people around him; we haven't changed anything apart from a 451 spell last season. I don't for one minute think he has taken his job lightly and done things any differently but just lost a bit of drive and edge; the idea that we should just be happy to stay up and concede that Europe is a badge of honour and admit that we should just be concentrating on The Prem lowered the expectations and motivation; our players must have thought that they were the real deal finishing 7th and getting into Europe and that it would be somewhat easy to be able to do it again, well if we did it last year we should have no problems staying up whilst maybe not replicating last season but being fairly comfortable in mid-table; totally bit on the ass they've been!!! We haven't looked to move on and our objectives have been lowered; we should have taken that mentality of well if we can do it then let's do it again and get some real players in; instead, we got another Champ striker and another Champ defender and a keeper who's have a stinking 2 years after losing his England place!!! Says it all, really.

Jeremy_Bentham
Posts: 414
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:40 pm
Been Liked: 186 times
Has Liked: 72 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Jeremy_Bentham » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:33 pm

Right_winger wrote:No one with any sane logic can defend Dyche this year.
. thinks some mugs will.

Funkydrummer
Posts: 6532
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:50 pm
Been Liked: 2374 times
Has Liked: 1618 times
Location: Burnley

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Funkydrummer » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:34 pm

burnley007 wrote:1st time I've even contemplated the idea, but I can't see any other option atm.
We are only getting worse.
I'm in exactly the same camp 007.

Roosterbooster
Posts: 1151
Joined: Sun May 01, 2016 6:22 pm
Been Liked: 280 times
Has Liked: 199 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Roosterbooster » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:35 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:If Tarkowski scores that sitter at the beginning of the second half, it could have been interesting.
Too many screaming ninnies on this board!
If Wolves had have put away half of their missed sitters we’d have only lost 6-0
This user liked this post: cricketfieldclarets

Espia
Posts: 181
Joined: Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:15 pm
Been Liked: 62 times
Has Liked: 10 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Espia » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:36 pm

The irony is that if we get relegated (and that has been looking the case since the start of the season) then he is just the manager we'd need to get us promoted back. Been there twice ... succeeded twice. And for that reason alone, I stick with him regardless.

Funkydrummer
Posts: 6532
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:50 pm
Been Liked: 2374 times
Has Liked: 1618 times
Location: Burnley

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Funkydrummer » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:37 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:If Tarkowski scores that sitter at the beginning of the second half, it could have been interesting.
Too many screaming ninnies on this board!
And if my auntie had balls, she'd be my uncle.

What point are you really trying to make here ? Please don't give me fine margins, because
these margins are about as wide as you can get atm.

jlup1980
Posts: 1916
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:01 pm
Been Liked: 734 times
Has Liked: 475 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by jlup1980 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:05 pm

It's the same thing I've been saying for months now. Back him or sack him. Big changes are needed, whether it's players or the manager is up to the Board, because to be honest we're ready relegated. Currently we're sitting in a tide waiting to drown rather than trying to save ourselves.

Today was pitiful. I'm a regular of over 30 years and today was about as predictable as it gets. If you set up a team with no pace, no flair, no creativity and no clear game plan what can we expect. Dyche was wrong in every respect today. The wrong line up, the wrong tactics, the wrong subs and everything else in between.

I haven't said this before but I'm fed up now, Dyche Out. Too many performances and defeats are utterly predictable before kick off. If I can see the issues, why can't a Premier League manager? We've been found out but we're doing nothing to change it.

Sideways sideways backwards sideways backwards sideways sideways sideways BOOM! Repeat for 90 minutes.
These 3 users liked this post: bf2k THEWELLERNUT70 Blackrod

ClaretMoffitt
Posts: 3900
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:19 pm
Been Liked: 1206 times
Has Liked: 798 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:09 pm

I just don't get it, can't bring myself to be too harsh on anyone (board, Dyche, team) after the last few seasons but something is clearly very, very wrong. Any option is now on the table as far as I'm concerned.
These 2 users liked this post: bf2k cricketfieldclarets

Silkyskills1
Posts: 3515
Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:39 pm
Been Liked: 955 times
Has Liked: 1349 times
Location: Rawtenstall

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Silkyskills1 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:19 pm

I think his time is up,too. Just listened to his interview on the radio and it's just empty rhetoric. He made no comments on the pitiful display we witnessed today but waffled on for as long as he could to presumably try to distract attention from the shambles. I'll be there again on Sunday as I'm guessing he will too but this has relegation written all over it. Attritional football worked and served him well for a while but it no longer serves a purpose. Wonder what his chairman thinks after that no-show?

Reecey1987
Posts: 1814
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:21 pm
Been Liked: 190 times
Has Liked: 89 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Reecey1987 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:33 pm

Espia wrote:The irony is that if we get relegated (and that has been looking the case since the start of the season) then he is just the manager we'd need to get us promoted back. Been there twice ... succeeded twice. And for that reason alone, I stick with him regardless.
With an ageing squad ? Any talent we have left will end up leaving same as gibson he will bounce straight back up were we will have to slog it out

SkiptonClaret
Posts: 1130
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:06 pm
Been Liked: 203 times
Has Liked: 65 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by SkiptonClaret » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:34 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:With an ageing squad ? Any talent we have left will end up leaving same as gibson he will bounce straight back up were we will have to slog it out
The near complete eradication of youth at this football club is criminally over looked on here.

bf2k
Posts: 217
Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:52 pm
Been Liked: 52 times
Has Liked: 140 times
Location: Burnley

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by bf2k » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:39 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I just don't get it, can't bring myself to be too harsh on anyone (board, Dyche, team) after the last few seasons but something is clearly very, very wrong. Any option is now on the table as far as I'm concerned.
You can't keep playing the same hand time and time again that doesn't work, yet Dyche is doing it and getting away with it. He's been given the benefit of the doubt but time has run out. Poor signing, poor tactics and poor in game management.

If the board are worth their salt (and I'm not saying they are not) you would have thought they would have candidates in mind to replace Dyche.
This user liked this post: Rumpelstiltskin

randomclaret2
Posts: 3720
Joined: Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:04 pm
Been Liked: 1693 times
Has Liked: 2455 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by randomclaret2 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:40 pm

SD talking again about fine margins after losing 1-5 at home to an out of form Everton is beyond irony.
These 7 users liked this post: SkiptonClaret tiger76 bf2k Silkyskills1 boatshed bill BOYSIE31 slw

SkiptonClaret
Posts: 1130
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:06 pm
Been Liked: 203 times
Has Liked: 65 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by SkiptonClaret » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:41 pm

bf2k wrote:You can't keep playing the same hand time and time again that doesn't work, yet Dyche is doing it and getting away with it. He's been given the benefit of the doubt but time has run out. Poor signing, poor tactics and poor in game management.

If the board are worth their salt (and I'm not saying they are not) you would have thought they would have candidates in mind to replace Dyche.
No chance they would have had the foresight for that or even considered it.

Vegas Claret
Posts: 15896
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:00 am
Been Liked: 5181 times
Has Liked: 2396 times
Location: clue is in the title

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:44 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I hate to say it. But since he went from a rolling deal to a 75k a week lomg term contract we have been dreadful. Lost the desire?
maybe that's when the players lost respect for him - he's getting paid more than twice as much as some of them

taio
Posts: 5795
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:17 am
Been Liked: 1701 times
Has Liked: 143 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by taio » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:47 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:maybe that's when the players lost respect for him - he's getting paid more than twice as much as some of them
I very much doubt it. Can't see why any player would have any concern about Dyche's wage. Personally I have no problem with one of our most successful managers being paid more than the players.

Vegas Claret
Posts: 15896
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:00 am
Been Liked: 5181 times
Has Liked: 2396 times
Location: clue is in the title

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:49 pm

taio wrote:I very much doubt it. Can't see why any player would have any concern about Dyche's wage. Personally I have no problem with one of our most successful managers being paid more than the players.
I'm not in disagreement with you but something HAS changed and it all points to the players not playing as hard as they did last season

taio
Posts: 5795
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:17 am
Been Liked: 1701 times
Has Liked: 143 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by taio » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:51 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:I'm not in disagreement with you but something HAS changed and it all points to the players not playing as hard as they did last season
Can't disagree with that but don't for a moment think it's because any of the players have a problem with Dyche's wage.

clansman
Posts: 329
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:18 pm
Been Liked: 128 times
Has Liked: 86 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by clansman » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:54 pm

I just wish Sean would be less fearful of playing football. He knows the problems but he doesn’t seem to be able to change his mindset of framework above all. Inspire the players Sean don’t restrict them. Even McNeil our one young player to break through seem like he is ordered to play in a certain way, which doesn’t suit him. Let st least one of the players play with freedom and passion and let’s see what happens! Oh ... and drop Hart it hadn’t worked!!!

Vegas Claret
Posts: 15896
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:00 am
Been Liked: 5181 times
Has Liked: 2396 times
Location: clue is in the title

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:54 pm

taio wrote:Can't disagree with that but don't for a moment think it's because any of the players have a problem with Dyche's wage.
it was just random conjecture - I never said it was fact. Can you offer any alternative reasoning Taio ?

taio
Posts: 5795
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:17 am
Been Liked: 1701 times
Has Liked: 143 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by taio » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:56 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:it was just random conjecture - I never said it was fact. Can you offer any alternative reasoning Taio ?
I could probably make loads of shite up and it would be more plausible than the players taking issue with Dyche's salary :D

warksclaret
Posts: 1247
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:13 pm
Been Liked: 323 times
Has Liked: 2 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by warksclaret » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:04 pm

Afraid this result has turned me from a lets not be drastic situation to Now thinking Dyche would struggle to get us back up with this team

Maybe time to sound out Gary Monk-taken Birmingham to 7th with a basic team, experience of the PL and clearly a better coach than SD and very nearly transformed Leeds last season

SkiptonClaret
Posts: 1130
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:06 pm
Been Liked: 203 times
Has Liked: 65 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by SkiptonClaret » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:05 pm

warksclaret wrote:Afraid this result has turned me from a lets not be drastic situation to Now thinking Dyche would struggle to get us back up with this team

Maybe time to sound out Gary Monk-taken Birmingham to 7th with a basic team, experience of the PL and clearly a better coach than SD and very nearly transformed Leeds last season
Monk is certainly someone who’s worth a shout for any shortlist.

SGr
Posts: 3738
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:46 pm
Been Liked: 871 times
Has Liked: 295 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by SGr » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:06 pm

Belgianclaret wrote:Other teams have evolved, we've stagnated and are now very easily sussed out.
Penny pinching board and total lack of any decent scouting system to blame
Spot on. The warning signs were there in summer, and virtually everyone on here and at the club chose to ignore them.

tiger76
Posts: 7925
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:43 pm
Been Liked: 1243 times
Has Liked: 2936 times
Location: Glasgow

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by tiger76 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:15 pm

warksclaret wrote:Afraid this result has turned me from a lets not be drastic situation to Now thinking Dyche would struggle to get us back up with this team

Maybe time to sound out Gary Monk-taken Birmingham to 7th with a basic team, experience of the PL and clearly a better coach than SD and very nearly transformed Leeds last season
I'd agree those who think it will be a cakewalk to return to the big time are in for a rude awakening,this ageing squad would struggle to make the play-offs next season.

Monk's not a bad shout but would he risk a move in mid-season with Birmingham in with a real chance of at least a play-off place i suspect not,he's better sitting tight and seeing what other Premier League teams take an interest in his services at the end of the season.

ClaretAL
Posts: 1093
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:39 pm
Been Liked: 476 times
Has Liked: 324 times

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by ClaretAL » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:25 pm

We are following in Wigans footprints, Europa >>>We all know what happened next. No sunrise when you think the 2 clubs are about the same size on and off the pitch.

Joe14
Posts: 925
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:43 pm
Been Liked: 198 times
Has Liked: 37 times
Location: Burnley

Re: How much more of this must we endure?

Post by Joe14 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:57 pm

Put a decent keeper between the sticks!!!!!!

Post Reply