When the personnel were just getting to grips with the new set up?

Bizarre. Been part of the problem the constant chopping and changing.

It's a strange one,Long has been decent .....bet he has a little chuckle to himself later tonight.

because Dyche is cluless or he has a maser plan that he doesnt want good performances so he can say i told you so to garlick and can get more transfer money in Jan

Just posted on the other thread.

Gibson has been brought here to play. And he looked decent today and his past in the premier league shows hes got good calibre and future at this level.

Lowton to an extent made sense. As he is better going forwards and quicker. So with us needing to attack more at home it made sense. But with hindsight dropping a player whos up for the fight and in form in Bardsley was daft. Its his shirt to lose.

Taylor needs replacing though.

Bin Ont Turf wrote:When the personnel were just getting to grips with the new set up?

Totally agree. 3 changes to the back 5 was a totally unnecessary gamble after recent performances.

Agree. It was bizzare. Especially as the big plus on the backs of the draws against Spurs and Arsenal was the solidity, battling performance of the defence.

Right that Gibson played.

cricketfieldclarets wrote: Taylor needs replacing though.

Yes. If a change was to be made then that was the one.

taio wrote:Right that Gibson played.

why? No need at all unless Long couldn't play.

Because he's running out of ideas. Or already has done.
Just desperately fumbling about in the dark, praying something will work.
And I speak as someone who's previously backed him to the hilt.

Dead man walking.

diamondpocket wrote:why? No need at all unless Long couldn't play.

He's better than Long. And it wouldn't have changed the result in any case. We were awful in every position with the exception of Gibson. We were never going to do better without playing a goalkeeper.

Its not the changes that made the difference -Gibsons debut has been over due. Its the players not wanting to play for him anymore and total lack of tactics. To get what I mean just turn on and watch Brighton v Arsenal. Brighton went 1-0 down after a few minutes but watch and tell me that 11 are not playing for Hughton. Their running into space and pressing is fantastic.Can't see them lumping it to Murray from all over the pitch. If they lose their fans will go home enthusiastic

warksclaret wrote:Its not the changes that made the difference -Gibsons debut has been over due. Its the players not wanting to play for him anymore and total lack of tactics. To get what I mean just turn on and watch Brighton v Arsenal. Brighton went 1-0 down after a few minutes but watch and tell me that 11 are not playing for Hughton. Their running into space and pressing is fantastic.Can't see them lumping it to Murray from all over the pitch. If they lose their fans will go home enthusiastic

It was bizarre we finally look to have some energy back and deliver some decent performances then he drops two of them. Absolutely baffling management.

taio wrote:He's better than Long. And it wouldn't have changed the result in any case. We were awful in every position with the exception of Gibson. We were never going to do better without playing a goalkeeper.

Partially agreed. But Gibson for Mee or Taylor would have made much more sense on current form.

SHP was watching our shape today-deadful. Just hoping for a knock on. 5 at the back but neither full back capable of pushing up to put in a telling pass.

nil_desperandum wrote:Partially agreed. But Gibson for Mee or Taylor would have made much more sense on current form.

Wouldn't have had a problem with him coming in for Taylor who us way out of his depth unfortunately. The two signings from Leeds have been truly awful.

warksclaret wrote:SHP was watching our shape today-deadful. Just hoping for a knock on. 5 at the back but neither full back capable of pushing up to put in a telling pass.

Exactly if you are playing 5 at the back at home your full backs needs to be pushed up they were so far off the front 2 it was embarrassing. Another bad day at the office tactically for Dyche yet again.

By the way-see post 13 and what have Brighton just done by adapting like they did. Good old Chris hughton

warksclaret wrote:SHP was watching our shape today-deadful. Just hoping for a knock on. 5 at the back but neither full back capable of pushing up to put in a telling pass.

That was down to Everton and us having just a 3 man midfield.

Our full backs couldn't get out and too easy for Everton.

Sorry, but Long wasn't very good vs Arsenal.
Neither, for what it's worth, was Bardsley probably because he's not suited to 5 at the back rather than lack of effort.

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Just posted on the other thread.

Gibson has been brought here to play. And he looked decent today and his past in the premier league shows hes got good calibre and future at this level.

Lowton to an extent made sense. As he is better going forwards and quicker. So with us needing to attack more at home it made sense. But with hindsight dropping a player whos up for the fight and in form in Bardsley was daft. Its his shirt to lose.

Taylor needs replacing though.

Not sure you can say Gibson has got good calibre and a future at this level when his only other season in the Premier ended up with relegation

boatshed bill wrote:Sorry, but Long wasn't very good vs Arsenal.
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Maybe, but Mee hasn't been good all season, but he's kept Gibson out.
(Agreed it must be difficult playing on the same side of the defence as Taylor, [before someone makes that point])

nil_desperandum wrote:Maybe, but Mee hasn't been good all season, but he's kept Gibson out.
(Agreed it must be difficult playing on the same side of the defence as Taylor, [before someone makes that point])

Can't disagree with that.

Bin Ont Turf wrote:That was down to Everton and us having just a 3 man midfield.

Our full backs couldn't get out and too easy for Everton.

Our full backs aren't capable of getting out or putting in a decent cross. Might as well have gone 442 after 20 minutes. The midfield was a waste of time. Totally outplayed by a reasonable side. The lack of quality was massively exposed today, no fit wide player to choose from and some terrible decision making from the full backs which led to the corner and free kick for the first 2 goals.

NL Claret wrote:Our full backs aren't capable of getting out or putting in a decent cross. Might as well have gone 442 after 20 minutes. The midfield was a waste of time. Totally outplayed by a reasonable side. The lack of quality was massively exposed today, no fit wide player to choose from and some terrible decision making from the full backs which led to the corner and free kick for the first 2 goals.

We've seen Lowton get forward with Guddy in front of him, and put decent balls in before.

Winstonswhite wrote:Not sure you can say Gibson has got good calibre and a future at this level when his only other season in the Premier ended up with relegation

Middlesbrough went down because they couldnt score. They scored 20 odd but kept plenty of clean sheets and gibson got in the england squad. We got relegated with Keane...

I've no idea and agree the recent defence were just starting to gel. Tarks looked out of position in the first half as did others so expected a full change at half time. I've been supporting Dyche throughout but it's getting to be the same story nearly every week. Something has to change and quickly.

I've no idea and agree the recent defence were just starting to gel. Tarks looked out of position in the first half as did others so expected a full change at half time. I've been supporting Dyche throughout but it's getting to be the same story nearly every week. Something has to change and quickly.

Winstonswhite wrote:Not sure you can say Gibson has got good calibre and a future at this level when his only other season in the Premier ended up with relegation

To be fair that would an absurd way of judging him.

Steve1956 wrote:It's a strange one,Long has been decent .....bet he has a little chuckle to himself later tonight.

Very much doubt he had a chuckle, comes across as a great pro.

However I’d rather he had come on up front instead of Wood.

Wood coming on was the final straw. Managed to get back to Manchester in rapid time.

My biggest issue with today was the formation of 5-3-2 against an Everton side than seemingly set up as a 4-6-0/4-5-1 with runners from midfield. Having 5 at the back was a mistake for me today and we were too isolated in midfield. Bringing JBG and McNeil on to go 4-4-2 happened far too late and I also think having McNeil as main option on the bench shows how desperate we are for a fit Brady/replacement. No disrespect to the lad, he tried his best - not really the kind of game I'd be throwing him into.

My biggest issue with 5-3-2 is we don’t have the players to play 5-3-2.

We played 5-3-2 because Dyche doesn’t have a pair of wingers fit enough to start...and that formation worked reasonably well last time out.
Gibson overdue a start and lowton better at raiding down the flank than Bardsley, also got three games in a week.
Not rocket science.

Cubanclaret wrote: Gibson overdue a start and lowton better at raiding down the flank than Bardsley, also got three games in a week.
Not rocket science.

The Gibson point doesn't need to be countered because it's completely stupid.

I won't bother with the two others, because to counter them wouldn't be 'rocket science'.

warksclaret wrote:Its not the changes that made the difference -Gibsons debut has been over due. Its the players not wanting to play for him anymore and total lack of tactics. To get what I mean just turn on and watch Brighton v Arsenal. Brighton went 1-0 down after a few minutes but watch and tell me that 11 are not playing for Hughton. Their running into space and pressing is fantastic.Can't see them lumping it to Murray from all over the pitch. If they lose their fans will go home enthusiastic

I think it's a bit unfair to use Brighton as an example. They are in their second year of the Prem. Let's see how they do next year when they've been around the same length of time.

I bet no-one saw how this season would turn out for us after last years events.

Mee should never have been played in the centre of a three when he can only use his right foot

The manager will not make brave decisions as Gibson should have started instead of him with Tarks in the middle