Harts the scapegoat not the problem

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:19 am

Harts is part of the problem IMHO.

Joe14 · Post by **Joe14** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:21 am

The sooner we change and put Heaton back in the better!! Or we carry on arguing about who’s at fault until it’s too late?

If you’re happy with the opposition scoring 4/5/6 goals leave Hart in.

We are just delaying the inevitable. Let’s swap keepers and sort this mess out.

Test User · Post by **Test User** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:57 pm

TVC15 wrote:1) he should have come to collect the cross for the first

2) he positioned himself for the free kick thinking Sigurdsson was going to take it - ie a right footed player. He got it wrong.

3) he got beat from outside the area to his left hand side from distance for the 3rd goal and for the umpteenth time this season from distance into that same corner.

You might be right about #1 but you're wrong about #2 and #3.

He didn't get beat by the free kick, the wall got beat because one member of the wall stepped away and created the gap through which the ball went. It's typically a bad idea for goalkeepers to arrange their wall to cover one side of the goal only to then stand directly behind the wall to also cover that side of the goal themselves. I'm not a goalkeeping coach but i bet if i asked one they'd tell me i'm right.

Yes, he got beat from outside the area but he saw it late, this can be seen to be the case when you look at the replay from behind the goalscorer.

I'll look at #1 again but i'm certain you're wrong about your other two points.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:01 pm

Joe14 wrote:The sooner we change and put Heaton back in the better!! Or we carry on arguing about who’s at fault until it’s too late?

If you’re happy with the opposition scoring 4/5/6 goals leave Hart in.

We are just delaying the inevitable. Let’s swap keepers and sort this mess out.

After a couple of games with Heaton you will be wanting Pope in and so on. The goal keeper is not the problem, it's the puddings in front of him

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:10 pm

Test User wrote:You might be right about #1 but you're wrong about #2 and #3.

He didn't get beat by the free kick, the wall got beat because one member of the wall stepped away and created the gap through which the ball went. It's typically a bad idea for goalkeepers to arrange their wall to cover one side of the goal only to then stand directly behind the wall to also cover that side of the goal themselves. I'm not a goalkeeping coach but i bet if i asked one they'd tell me i'm right.

Yes, he got beat from outside the area but he saw it late, this can be seen to be the case when you look at the replay from behind the goalscorer.

I'll look at #1 again but i'm certain you're wrong about your other two points.

No right or wrong - it’s an opinion.
You knock yourself out though and watch it as many times as you want as my opinion won’t change.
He left himself far too much distance to get to on the free kick and the ball was in the back of the net before he got there.
4th goal - he has beaten on his left from distance this season more than any other keeper this season which suggests to me it’s an issue. He got beaten on this side for the 5th aswell...but do not think that was his fault.
Hart was getting plenty of criticism for getting beat from distance on his left side in his last few games for England.

The last few years have seen him gradually get worse as a keeper. He was having poor games for England, awful at Torino and West Ham and whilst he has not been awful for Burnley he’s not all of a sudden back to being the very good keeper he was 5 years ago.

Sooner he is dropped the better IMHO

Test User · Post by **Test User** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:48 pm

TVC15 wrote:No right or wrong - it’s an opinion.
You knock yourself out though and watch it as many times as you want as my opinion won’t change.
He left himself far too much distance to get to on the free kick and the ball was in the back of the net before he got there.
4th goal - he has beaten on his left from distance this season more than any other keeper this season which suggests to me it’s an issue. He got beaten on this side for the 5th aswell...but do not think that was his fault.
Hart was getting plenty of criticism for getting beat from distance on his left side in his last few games for England.

The last few years have seen him gradually get worse as a keeper. He was having poor games for England, awful at Torino and West Ham and whilst he has not been awful for Burnley he’s not all of a sudden back to being the very good keeper he was 5 years ago.

Sooner he is dropped the better IMHO

Opinions can be wrong.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:49 pm

Heaton back tomorrow!

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:50 pm

Test User wrote:
Opinions can be wrong.

Good lad - big of you to admit that you ain’t got a clue what you are talking about

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:54 pm

Top Claret wrote:After a couple of games with Heaton you will be wanting Pope in and so on. The goal keeper is not the problem, it's the puddings in front of him

This.

Joe14 · Post by **Joe14** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:01 pm

Top Claret wrote:After a couple of games with Heaton you will be wanting Pope in and so on. The goal keeper is not the problem, it's the puddings in front of him

Utter crap. When Heaton was in regular I never once wished for a change of keeper.
The current keeper IS a big part of the problem!!!

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:03 pm

Top Claret wrote:After a couple of games with Heaton you will be wanting Pope in and so on. The goal keeper is not the problem, it's the puddings in front of him

That might well be the case.

BUT we need to try something different because the current system/team/formation isn't performing as well as it should.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:05 pm

What happened to the Heaton starts tomorroe thread. Looks like it has been deleted which suggests Inchy’s info was indeed correct.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:05 pm

Apparently according to my source (Glenn Frey) the 'Heat' is on.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:06 pm

Confirmed then

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:07 pm

paulatky wrote:Confirmed then

Yes.........................

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paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:08 pm

Guess the justification in deleting it is dont want to give info to opposition.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:17 pm

Our best 3 midfielders have been out putting pressure on the defense and I turn us not having any creativity for our forwards coupled with a lack of form and effort from certain individuals is not Harts fault

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:36 pm

Oh well Heaton will be in tomorrow so we can all see whether Harts been to blame.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:48 pm

Far too many 'leaks' come out of our team

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:00 pm

At least we will see what the probkem is or was.

I like Heaton so hopefuly when he is in, that was the problem and it saves us

I did think Dyche would wait for Pope rather than throw Heaton in only to need to change it again when Popes back.

chipbutty · Post by **chipbutty** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:43 am

can`t be arsed reading all thread but Joe Hart does not talk to anybody on the pitch. I have sat in JML for 20 years and watched keepers speaking to their defence and he says feck all!

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:28 am

Was having a chat last night with two friends re GK situation
My original thought was that Tom was being held back on the basis that we needed to clear some wages from the books to help fund any Jan activity. No point therefore in playing him if interest was being shown from other clubs
Got home last night to find a message suggesting he was going to start today

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:36 am

I'm hopeful that our No1 and leader starts today.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:08 am

chipbutty wrote:can`t be arsed reading all thread but Joe Hart does not talk to anybody on the pitch. I have sat in JML for 20 years and watched keepers speaking to their defence and he says feck all!

Exactly the communication between the back 4/5 has been non-existent all season,hence the goals against column.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:57 am

Heaton back in as captain and Mee benched hopefully.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:05 am

Mee will be a different player withj Heats back in goal.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:33 am

Not only does Hart not communicate with his colleagues he comes onto the pitch carrying a Versace bag. This is not what our club is about.

I am sure when Pope came on to replace Heats he had a 5p Co-op bag and recycled milk bottle

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:38 am

If his communication on the pitch is similar to his communication in the changing rooms and training ground in not surprised by the breakdown in the relationship with the defence. Disastrous signing by Dyche.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:49 am

We can blame Hart for communication errors all we want, but Mee is the on-field captain, and should be much more vocal. As should Tarks. If Hart isn’t communicating, the CBs should be screaming at him, telling him to open his mouth. Someone in this team needs to take responsibility. At the moment, most of them are hiding. I guarantee Bardsley won’t be holding back today. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that our best 4 performances for 3 months have all coincided with him playing. What he lacks in finesse and pace, he certainly makes up for in leadership. On field dictators of play should never be overlooked and undervalued.

Six fingers · Post by **Six fingers** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:21 am

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Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:36 am

Roosterbooster wrote:We can blame Hart for communication errors all we want, but Mee is the on-field captain, and should be much more vocal. As should Tarks. If Hart isn’t communicating, the CBs should be screaming at him, telling him to open his mouth. Someone in this team needs to take responsibility. At the moment, most of them are hiding. I guarantee Bardsley won’t be holding back today. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that our best 4 performances for 3 months have all coincided with him playing. What he lacks in finesse and pace, he certainly makes up for in leadership. On field dictators of play should never be overlooked and undervalued.

That’s why Heaton should play. Tarks lost the ball near the half way line several times v Everton. Irrespective of who is the best keeper he would only be allowed to lose it once if Heaton was in goal. Just like Bardsley he will not hold back verbally

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:36 am

Just been told that Dyche has ALL 3 keeper shirts hanging in the changing room.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:39 am

That’s one way to try and keep a clean sheet

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:39 am

If Tom shouts at Jack Cork will it make him run faster, move the ball quicker and not get caught in possession. We need some shouting, forget the technical stuff, just more shouting as this is what we've been lacking, shouting.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:42 am

Murger wrote:Just been told that Dyche has ALL 3 keeper shirts hanging in the changing room.

Pope to help Hart with crosses.
Heaton to help Hart with shots down to his left.

I think this might work.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:03 pm

Down_Rover wrote:Not only does Hart not communicate with his colleagues he comes onto the pitch carrying a Versace bag. This is not what our club is about.

I am sure when Pope came on to replace Heats he had a 5p Co-op bag and recycled milk bottle

Im sure this is sarcasm. But we should have shipped defour out as soon as he turned up with a luis vuitton one. And tarks for dropping him off in his g wagon. And ban anyone from watching who doesnt turn up with their own twix and primark shopping bag.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:21 pm

Murger wrote:Just been told that Dyche has ALL 3 keeper shirts hanging in the changing room.

All 3 will be on duty regardless of who is playing.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:22 pm

NL Claret wrote:If Tom shouts at Jack Cork will it make him run faster, move the ball quicker and not get caught in possession. We need some shouting, forget the technical stuff, just more shouting as this is what we've been lacking, shouting.

To be fair to Hart he shouts “away” pretty loudly when a cross is lofted into the six yard box.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:22 pm

Sad thing is that I would wager that neither Hart or Defour paid for their bags but Nick Pope had to dig deep for his carrier bag and could not afford a twix

These are symbols of division in a once tight knit dressing room

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:25 pm

NL Claret wrote:If Tom shouts at Jack Cork will it make him run faster, move the ball quicker and not get caught in possession. We need some shouting, forget the technical stuff, just more shouting as this is what we've been lacking, shouting.

It might sort out his positioning though. He’s been ball watching for 12 months

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:27 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:It might sort out his positioning though. He’s been ball watching for 12 months

Did Pope not shout enough at him either then if it's been going on for 12 months?

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:29 pm

Maybe it’s Defour...

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:49 pm

Heats plays today....well i reckon so.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:10 pm

Heaton. Bardsley. Tarks. Mee. Gibson. Taylor. Cork. Westwod. Hendrick. Barnes. Wood.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:36 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Heaton. Bardsley. Tarks. Mee. Gibson. Taylor. Cork. Westwod. Hendrick. Barnes. Wood.

Wrong

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:38 pm

The Enclosure wrote:Wrong

Was a guess. Wasnt far off.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:53 pm

Changed ny mind. Harts warming up with Andy Carroll and West Ham team.
Hart out.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:14 pm

Tom Heaton.

Cheers.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:16 pm

Heaton was excellent.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:23 pm

I have it on good authority that Hart will now be shipped out to a team in Botswana in the January transfer window. Sitting there like petulant child not saying a word to the other subs.