O/T Cressida Dick

[bobinho]

Absolutely totally and utterly disgraceful comments from her regarding brexit.

Suggesting that a no deal brexit will cause law and order problems is absolutely disgusting, and typical of the “remoaners” plan to try to force another vote.

Her position should forbid her from making ANY comments whatsoever.

Really, this is bloody shameful.

[Test User]

Is she wrong?

[Lancasterclaret]

You genuinely think that the police chief shouldn't mention that not sharing intelligence with our European allies might affect our security?

***** sake, that is another level of denseness.

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

Absolutely totally and utterly disgraceful comments from her regarding brexit.

Suggesting that a no deal brexit will cause law and order problems is absolutely disgusting, and typical of the “remoaners” plan to try to force another vote.

Her position should forbid her from making ANY comments whatsoever.

Really, this is bloody shameful.

Agreed, the police should not become involved in politics.

[JohnMac]

Yes she is, another scaremongerer who should concentrate on doing her job and perhaps try to reduce crime or catch the perpertrators of such.

[JohnMac]

You genuinely think that the police chief shouldn't mention that not sharing intelligence with our European allies might affect our security?

***** sake, that is another level of denseness.

Do you honestly believe it will stop because of Brexit?

[Bosscat]

Absolutely totally and utterly disgraceful comments from her regarding brexit.

Suggesting that a no deal brexit will cause law and order problems is absolutely disgusting, and typical of the “remoaners” plan to try to force another vote.

Her position should forbid her from making ANY comments whatsoever.

Really, this is bloody shameful.

Just been watching the news and said basically the same things to the Mrs.....

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

You genuinely think that the police chief shouldn't mention that not sharing intelligence with our European allies might affect our security?

***** sake, that is another level of denseness.

You’re beginning to sound a lot like IT Lancaster.

[Lancasterclaret]

Do you honestly believe it will stop because of Brexit?

I think you might want to do a bit of reading about the reality of our "red lines in the sand" mate.

I think all you need to.

But I'll leave it there, as I can't be arsed attempting to change the view of Brexit amongst you lot today!

[Test User]

Yes she is, another scaremongerer who should concentrate on doing her job and perhaps try to reduce crime or catch the perpertrators of such.

How is she wrong?

[Aclaret]

Just been watching the news and said basically the same things to the Mrs.....

I watched it too and sad to Mrs Aclaret, " Imagine being called Mrs Dick "

[Clarets4me]

She might be better advised to lobby both the present Government and London's Labour Mayor, to try and address the horrific numbers of young men being murdered in senseless knifings and shooting, much of it, uncomfortably, committed by Black youths against each other.

[AndrewJB]

Some people must think that politicians who support Brexit should be allowed to make up any lies they like about Brexit without anyone with experience in a matter saying anything to the contrary.

[JohnMac]

You are probably as obsessed about Brexit as anyone I have ever come across LC.

We are leaving, get over it

[JohnMac]

How is she wrong?

How is she right?

Does she have information from every single agency in Europe saying this is the case? I would very much doubt it.

She should concentrate on the problems under her nose.

Information sharing isn't going to stop because of Brexit especially regarding terrorism and major crime. It isn't anything to do with trade.

[TsarBomba]

And the sooner the better, we can then man our patrol boats in the Channel with machine Guns and gun down the illegals who are getting closer and closer to our shores.

Shameful comments.

[South West Claret.]

What next something about £350 million a week seen on the side of a bus?

[Right_winger]

The police in no way should be politicised or biased.

[JohnMac]

Anyway I'm at Buzz Bingo, if I win the jackpot I'm moving to Spain

[Aclaret]

Shameful comments.

Blimey, didn't take as long as I thought.

[Winstonswhite]

Last week we had Brexiteer MPs saying it would kick off like it had in Paris if there IS another vote. F*** me surely you realise by now that they’re all as bad as one another?

[AndrewJB]

How is she right?

Does she have information from every single agency in Europe saying this is the case? I would very much doubt it.

She should concentrate on the problems under her nose.

Information sharing isn't going to stop because of Brexit especially regarding terrorism and major crime. It isn't anything to do with trade.

If we leave the EU without a deal, then we have no deal to stay in europol. This is what she’s saying.

[bobinho]

You genuinely think that the police chief shouldn't mention that not sharing intelligence with our European allies might affect our security?

***** sake, that is another level of denseness.

Do you think that’s what I’m saying? Where have I said that we shouldnt share information? Do you think we don’t share information with countries we don’t have a “euro” type agreemen with?
And if that’s what she’s suggesting, maybe her position is untenable.

And you use the word “denseness”?

Why have you read between the lines and come up with your own agenda? Fuckin muppet. Think before you post you silly *******.

[bobinho]

If we leave the EU without a deal, then we have no deal to stay in europol. This is what she’s saying.

We don’t need a deal to share information. To suggest otherwise is irresponsible beyond her post.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Did anyone else hear Richard Branson the other week saying that Brexit will be worse than World War 2 for this country?

What a tit.

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

How is she right?

Does she have information from every single agency in Europe saying this is the case? I would very much doubt it.

She should concentrate on the problems under her nose.

Information sharing isn't going to stop because of Brexit especially regarding terrorism and major crime. It isn't anything to do with trade.

There is no way that the EU will stop sharing information. Our security services are by far superior to those on the continent, they won’t put that at risk.

[Clarets4me]

If we leave the EU without a deal, then we have no deal to stay in europol. This is what she’s saying.

There are many examples of UK subjects being arrested by British Police under European Arrest Warrants, often on very doubtful evidence and then left in foreign jails for months on end before any form of trial ... this is far from being an argument put only by rabid Brexiteers, by the way ...

https://www.theguardian.com/law/butterw ... t-warrants

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/794 ... e-law.html

[AndrewJB]

We don’t need a deal to share information. To suggest otherwise is irresponsible beyond her post.

Yes, we can swap information. But we won’t be members of Europol, unless we put that into a leaving agreement. To understand how Europol works see below:
https://www.europol.europa.eu/about-europol" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You’ll appreciate that being a member greatly facilitates the exchange of information, because it’s already set up. Being out of it, we’ll have to spend the cash to set something up that works alongside it without us being a member. And this is just one of 55 areas we do good work with EU partners that will no longer work if we leave without a deal. If we leave the EU we could still stay a member of Europol, but we’ll have to get it written into a withdrawal agreement. This has been said many times by many people both here and in Europe.

[IanMcL]

Just checking to see if I had any of the symptoms, without realising!

[nil_desperandum]

I find it really weird that an element of brexiteers - by no means all - say that there will be no problems with a "no deal" brexit, and then when someone who will be faced with the reality of it explains one of the problems, they say it won't be problem because we'll come to an agreement (i.e. deal ) in that area.
Just to clarify: there's no such thing as a "managed no deal", or a "no deal but with agreements on x, y and z". By definition: that's a deal. So I presume that Ms Dick is simply stating the obvious, that if we simply walk away with no deal then we will have no arrangements with these various EU security and crime prevention / detection agencies. Not sure how that's controversial.

[burnleymik]

Don't we just revert to the Interpol databases and have 3rd party relationships with them (Europol), similar to the US or Australia?


Also, as far as I am aware Europol officers are immune from prosecution, not ideal.

[HunterST_BFC]

Just checking to see if I had any of the symptoms, without realising!

[Pimlico_Claret]

She appears always to have plenty to say about anything and everything other than the huge rise in crime under her watch and her forces inability to do much about it. Concentrate on the job you are paid handsomely for please, plenty of time to politicise when you are comfortably retired.

[evensteadiereddie]

She is doing her job - flagging up potential problems for her force and national security as she sees them.
The fact that she's ****** off so many rabid Brexiteers is not a surprise, after all, it's going brilliantly well so far.
Isn't it ?

[bfcjg]

I'm very open minded and if somebody wanted to Cressida my dick as long as she'd flossed beforehand bring it on

[Bin Ont Turf]

She is doing her job - flagging up potential problems for her force and national security as she sees them.
The fact that she's ****** off so many rabid Brexiteers is not a surprise, after all, it's going brilliantly well so far.
Isn't it ?

Steady yourself Eddie.

Nothing has happened yet.

[evensteadiereddie]

Whoosh !

[1fatclaret]

Gobsmacked that people think that heading up the police force isn’t a political role. Gobsmacked that people think she shouldn’t have or have voiced an opinion on the POTENTIAL effects on her force and ability to deliver her role with a no deal brexit.

Also find it amusing that people who say she shouldn’t be political, and should just focus on her role (stopping stabbings in London and elsewhere) don’t quite grasp that savage cuts to police funding from central and regional governments, might, just might, be contributing factors to her inability to focus and deliver on her role.

[AndrewJB]

I find it really weird that an element of brexiteers - by no means all - say that there will be no problems with a "no deal" brexit, and then when someone who will be faced with the reality of it explains one of the problems, they say it won't be problem because we'll come to an agreement (i.e. deal ) in that area.
Just to clarify: there's no such thing as a "managed no deal", or a "no deal but with agreements on x, y and z". By definition: that's a deal. So I presume that Ms Dick is simply stating the obvious, that if we simply walk away with no deal then we will have no arrangements with these various EU security and crime prevention / detection agencies. Not sure how that's controversial.

So many people used to say before the referendum that the EU was fine “just as a trading block, but we didn’t sign up to all the extra stuff...” - and now as we’re untangling it all it turns out that some of the extra stuff was actually quite useful, and yes we did sign up for it. The media that attacked the EU nearly daily for decades didn’t really know what it was talking about, and most shamefully of all the politicians that courted this media never stood up for what was good about the EU.

[AndrewJB]

Don't we just revert to the Interpol databases and have 3rd party relationships with them (Europol), similar to the US or Australia?


Also, as far as I am aware Europol officers are immune from prosecution, not ideal.

“Just revert” to what we had before? Typewriters? We need the agreement of the other EU countries to revert back - though we’d really be best off staying in Europol, non?

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

RESTRICTIONS ON THE PRIVATE LIFE OF MEMBERS OF POLICE FORCES

1. A member of a police force shall at all times abstain from any activity which is likely to interfere with the impartial discharge of his duties or which is likely to give rise to the impression amongst members of the public that it may so interfere; and in particular a member of a police force shall not take any active part in politics.

It depends whether you believe that by saying what she has that she has taken an active part in politics.

[basil6345789]

On telly she shot herself in the foot by admitting that certain (excellent) systems are already in existence for us within Shenzen and we're not even a member!
What a dick!

[AndrewJB]

It’s also important to note whether she’s said anything factually wrong or not. In what she’s said, whether wittingly or not she is underpinning May’s Brexit deal (as I expect many other stories to do over the coming weeks).

[dsr]

There was a valid point in the Daily Telegraph today. By and large, businesses are getting on with the job of Brexit, and not making a song and dance. Organisations funded by the state are like Chicken Licken, running round shouting "The sky is falling" and being utterly clueless about what they can do about it.

[aggi]

There was a valid point in the Daily Telegraph today. By and large, businesses are getting on with the job of Brexit, and not making a song and dance. Organisations funded by the state are like Chicken Licken, running round shouting "The sky is falling" and being utterly clueless about what they can do about it.

Apart from all those motor manufacturers who have stated how big an issue being out of the customs union would be and that joint statement the other week from various industry bodies representing hundreds of thousands of companies.

[AndrewJB]

There was a valid point in the Daily Telegraph today. By and large, businesses are getting on with the job of Brexit, and not making a song and dance. Organisations funded by the state are like Chicken Licken, running round shouting "The sky is falling" and being utterly clueless about what they can do about it.

Business has that freedom. Government agencies - which are actually tied to other governments agencies are sitting there saying: “what are we supposed to do now?”

And this is how the government are so poor. Telling departments to plan for no Brexit without any guidance whatsoever. The government is ****.

[evensteadiereddie]

And, of course, the Telegraph is completely neutral on these matters..............

[Lancasterclaret]

Hmmm

Business is just getting on with Brexit is a new high (or low depending on your point of view) in the "you know all that stuff you read about, well its all untrue because of an editorial in the telegraph" stakes it has to be said.

And Bobinho, "reading between the lines" is exactly what you didn't do when you posted the OP. Sorry mate and all that, but you just don't want anyone to have a negative opinion on Brexit, so you just attack anyone who happens to mention potential issues. Interesting way to deal with problems, but not a surprise as its been Brexiteer strategy from day one

JohnMac, bet you have mate, just that I'm not going to let people post stuff on here that is either blatantly untrue or trying to ignore reality.

[Clarets4me]

Hmmm

Business is just getting on with Brexit is a new high (or low depending on your point of view) in the "you know all that stuff you read about, well its all untrue because of an editorial in the telegraph" stakes it has to be said.

And Bobinho, "reading between the lines" is exactly what you didn't do when you posted the OP. Sorry mate and all that, but you just don't want anyone to have a negative opinion on Brexit, so you just attack anyone who happens to mention potential issues. Interesting way to deal with problems, but not a surprise as its been Brexiteer strategy from day one

JohnMac, bet you have mate, just that I'm not going to let people post stuff on here that is either blatantly untrue or trying to ignore reality.

Here is the full article, written by James Bartholomew, it was not a " Telegraph " editorial, by the way. Let people make up their own minds ...



Banks and businesses aren't waiting for instructions

Before long, the show will start all over again. Theresa May will probably strut her stuff in Brussels and Berlin. Jean-Claude Juncker will reject British demands, insult Mrs May, then say she’s terrific. Emmanuel Macron - boy wonder that he is - will take time out from the chaos in his own country to be condescending about ours. Crisis summits will be held. Angela Merkel will look worried.

Subliminally, we in the audience will get the impression that everything depends on presidents and prime ministers arriving and departing in black limousines. They are, of course, important. All right, very important. But what tends to be forgotten is the role played by “the little battalions”: actors in the drama who don’t get into the headlines – people who do not “run” the economy but “are” the economy. If we end up with no deal, their activities will be crucial.

One worry has been that the ports will get clogged up. But European ports are not inert objects, like chess pieces, which the limo-riders get to move around as they please. Ports have their own managements. Take Rotterdam. Roel van’t Veld is the chief of the Customs Authority of the Port of Rotterdam. As Rotterdam is the biggest port in Europe, he is part of quite a big battalion. He is not waiting to get a directive from Jean-Claude. Once Britain leaves the EU, the UK will become a “third country” for EU purposes which means extra work processing freight traffic. Roel started recruiting up to another 1,000 new staff earlier this year. A new IT system has been introduced. A simulation study has been done to identify potential bottlenecks. Roel said, “Our job is to make sure things don’t seize up and we are pretty good at it.”

Our own shipping companies and ports have not been waiting for instructions either. Seaborne Freight has been working on a new shipping route from Ramsgate to Ostend. Associated British Ports is spending £36m on new container port capacity at Immingham. Such extra capacity will be available to profit from any clogging up of the Dover/Calais route. But talk of blockages there may be exaggerated. Jean-Marc Puissesseau, chief of Calais port, is another of the “little people” working hard to keep the traffic flowing. He remarked, “we are doing our utmost” to avoid stacking lorries on the motorway.

The great illusion is that people and organisations don’t react – that they could see a train heading straight at them and not budge. They take action because they have every reason to. If businesses see an obstacle, they immediately start thinking how to get round it to preserve their profitability. Politicians have been creating uncertainty as if this were their primary job. Businesses have been working to reduce it. It is one of the advantages of a pluralistic society that we do not depend on central direction. Companies and individuals are independent units.

The banks, insurers and other financial companies have all been making extensive preparations in the past few years. Barclays has added an extra 150-200 staff to its subsidiary in Ireland which will now handle the business which needs to be done from within the EU. Jes Staley, the chief executive, says the bank is “100 per cent prepared” for a no-deal Brexit.

What about the £14 billion Aviva savings and insurance company? To be honest, it hasn’t done much. That’s because, in this particular case, there has been no need: “We have a presence in several global markets and so believe Brexit will not impact us at all, as all our businesses are incorporated locally.” Standard Life, another insurance major, has beefed up its presence in Ireland and Luxembourg to conduct its EU business. In fact, the picture for financial services – one of our biggest industries - is remarkably good. Even the Remainer-oriented Financial Times has reluctantly admitted, “financial services companies have made extensive preparations”.

Michel Barnier looks grave and haughty as he tells us we can’t have this and we can’t have that. It is tempting to imagine that companies need his permission to do business. They don’t. Lord Bamford wrote a letter to the Telegraph last week saying that his company, JCB, which makes diggers, is fully accustomed to selling on World Trade Organisation terms. Forty per cent of his exports go to such countries. It’s “a matter of routine”. The routine can be extended to the EU.

Yes, there are problems in certain specific industries. Britain is big in pharmaceuticals and this area is full of non-tariff barriers. But, again, our companies have reacted. They are multinationals and have been selling in the EU for years. They know what they need to do to comply with the rules. GlaxoSmithKline, for example, one of our pharmaceutical giants, has been re-testing and reregistering its products where necessary. It is costing the company £60-£70m but that’s a small fraction of its £30 billion annual sales so it is able to make this remarkable statement: “Over the long term, we believe that Brexit will not have a material impact on our business.”

The industry where the obstacles seem most difficult is automobile production. Components whizz across the Channel and back again. There is a relatively high EU tariff of ten per cent and non-tariff barriers, too. It would be useful, even in the case of no overall deal, if a side-deal could be made for this industry. If not, the adjustments might be painful. But even here, companies are certainly trying to work out how to change things here and there to smooth Brexit. Harald Krueger, chief executive of BMW, has remarked “BMW is about flexibility”.

The natural bias of news is towards star politicians and anything negative, which includes any news about problems with Brexit. What tends to be missed is the myriad individuals and organisations making plans and reacting to circumstances. There will be much more of this to come in the next three months as the crunch date approaches. All countries have on-the-ground flexibility but Britain, being less centralised than, say, France, is particularly good at it. Sometimes people on the outside perceive this better than we do ourselves. David Folkert-Landau, chief economist at Deutsche Bank, remarked recently, “I am not at all worried about the UK whatever the arrangement because they’re the most flexible country in the world.”

[Lancasterclaret]

I'm sure they will.

Lines like "The industry where the obstacles seem most difficult is automobile production. Components whizz across the Channel and back again. There is a relatively high EU tariff of ten per cent and non-tariff barriers, too. It would be useful, even in the case of no overall deal, if a side-deal could be made for this industry. If not, the adjustments might be painful."

"might be painful" = job losses, potentially worse as well

Oh, and "Seaborne Freight has been working on a new shipping route from Ramsgate to Ostend. Associated British Ports is spending £36m on new container port capacity at Immingham."

What does "working on?" mean?

Does it mean they have the ferries lined up, the linkspans in place, the tugmasters available, the staff trained?

Or does it mean they have looked at it as an option and know they can't do it before April 2019?

Does James understand that container freight needs a completely different type of trailer?

All these businesses setting up different companies in the EU? You do know that will be replacing UK based staff? It doesn't mention that (even if they are offered the chance to relocate, many won't, especially as they will lose freedom of movement so if they lose that job they might well have to come back to the UK?)

And the usual amount of guff about Britain being "flexible" (Tory speak for cutting regulations to make us competitive)

Yup, people will draw their own conclusions.