Re: Dyche expects tough window
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:39 pm
Another interview to dampen fans enthusiasm further. Disappointing and boring from the manager.
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I understand this to a point and the club’s media dept. has been at pains to ensure that expectations aren’t raised - but surely one benefit of his experience will be his relationships and contacts from the jobs he’s had down the years - and also a better knowledge around recruitment strategy - surely this should give us a better chance than Rigg not being there, however it gets dressed down.ClaretTony wrote:I wouldn't include Rigg to be honest, I doubt he'll have a major influence on this window. But it is certainly big for the chairman, who seems to have taken control of it all in recent years, and the manager.
But we create much more money than championship clubs, very few (in fact only the recently relegated) can be bankrolled to that extent.Colburn_Claret wrote:We create more money than Championship clubs, but their owners are still willing and able, to bank roll them beyond what they create. In the real world Burnley can't do that. You can only spend the money once, and when it's gone.........
Frustrating, but we do what we need to do to survive. Survival being staying in existence, not staying in the Premier League.
Maupay and Watkins would walk into our team. They've both got pace and genuine goal threat (something we currently have neither of at the moment).TVC15 wrote:To me that is accepting relegation.
There is a reason these players are not playing for top championship teams or in the premier league. And I know this approach has served us well in the past but we are no longer in a financial position where it is necessary for us to find bargains all the time. We should always be looking down the leagues for players we think we can develop and increase the value but this takes time and at the moment that is something we do not have. Taking a punt on one or of 2 these is fine but only if we are also buying proven quality who can walk straight into the first eleven.
Not rubbish at all. As for the clauses, I know that we have had players close to signing who then wouldn't with that relegation clause included.Dyched wrote:Rubbish. Last January we could guarantee a player 18 months PL football. Only us and the top 6 could do that. We could have spent big and offer big wages. Teams like us put buy out clauses, relegation clauses in contracts. This myth about being relegated and stuck with a squad on £80,000 a week is rubbish. Well unless you have a stupid chairman in charge.
That is a very simplistic view to say they would walk into our first team. Vydra was the leagues top scorer last year.jlup1980 wrote:Maupay and Watkins would walk into our team. They've both got pace and genuine goal threat (something we currently have neither of at the moment).
They've scored 22 and assisted another 9 between them already this season and that's in a struggling team. Half of that again between now and the end of the season would be enough to keep us up!!
I agree there's no point taking punts (Vydra is a classic example, he's been proven to not be PL quality previously) but I feel there are some genuine hidden gems in the Championship who would improve our starting 11.
I definitely do. I'm with cricketfieldclarets on this one. If you are taking the wage you do the job. You don't sit in the background drinking tea and eating crumpets. Rigg has had more than enough time to process our scout reports and target lists. Being able to hit the ground running is what we are paying for.ClaretTony wrote:I wouldn't include Rigg to be honest, I doubt he'll have a major influence on this window. But it is certainly big for the chairman, who seems to have taken control of it all in recent years, and the manager.
Any other poster writes something like this and you say rubbish, where’s your facts, another who likes to think they have inside info, so come on tony where’s your facts on thisClaretTony wrote:Not rubbish at all. As for the clauses, I know that we have had players close to signing who then wouldn't with that relegation clause included.
Its called premier money for a reason - to pay the wages and negotiate a wage drop for relegationClaretTony wrote:Spend that much and the wage bill would rise to a level at which we can't cope. It's the wage bill that becomes the most important, not the transfer fees.
The manager has said he will play a part but also that he's been brought in for a long term role rather than necessarily for this window. I am absolutely sure he'll play a part in what we do or don't do in this window and his contacts will hopefully prove invaluable, but I don't see him having a major role just yet but I do once we get to the next window. I would have thought targets would have been set and initial progress would have been made before his appointment, but he will play a part although his role will become more significant beyond this particular window.Long Time Lurker wrote:I definitely do. I'm with cricketfieldclarets on this one. If you are taking the wage you do the job. You don't sit in the background drinking tea and eating crumpets. Rigg has had more than enough time to process our scout reports and target lists. Being able to hit the ground running is what we are paying for.
If he can't get up to speed and combine our current intelligence reports with his own knowledge of players to the extent that he can contribute something we have hired the wrong bloke. The role of technical director also encompasses deal making and getting transfers over the line, so at the very least I would expect him to play a part in that.
If he wasn't expected to contribute immediately we could have employed him after the window and saved ourselves a few bob. Granting him a safe seat out of the direct line of fire isn't the Burnley way. This is a team endeavour and "the minimum requirement is maximum effort" in every department. We aren't QPR or Fulham.
If you are taking a full wage that means full participation and accountability.
This is a MASSIVE window for us, probably the biggest we have faced in quite awhile, and we need everyone giving 100% to make it a success.
ok please name themClaretTony wrote:Not rubbish at all. As for the clauses, I know that we have had players close to signing who then wouldn't with that relegation clause included.
You can't legislate for serious contact injuries such as the one Brady suffered at Leicester as an example. They happen in football and always will. Then you have the problem when these players come back. They suffer various niggles etc. as Brady has done. You probably can't legislate either for the wear and tear type injuries that require surgery such as those that Ward and Defour have faced.ashtonlongsider wrote:Think we need players who can remain fit. I know it's part and parcel of football but our record with injuries over the last decade appears pretty high.
Ok, so it is the old quote which was discussed at the time being rehashed for no reason.FactualFrank wrote:He said it, but this was last month:
Everyone knows January's a really tough window so, to make it clear, we're not looking for Mike to come in and miraculously hand over seven players.
Wages are an important factorClaretTony wrote:Spend that much and the wage bill would rise to a level at which we can't cope. It's the wage bill that becomes the most important, not the transfer fees.
We can always sell themjojomk1 wrote:Wages are an important factor
And it doesn't help when we have 5 keepers and 6 strikers on the books
Given our 4 main strikers are all contracted for the next 2.5 years can't see much business in finding another
Certainly an imbalance with the goalkeepers brought about by the injuries, but that needs addressing. I think we are all expecting Tom to go and I think Lindegaard will probably leave in the summer.jojomk1 wrote:Wages are an important factor
And it doesn't help when we have 5 keepers and 6 strikers on the books
Given our 4 main strikers are all contracted for the next 2.5 years can't see much business in finding another
This is my take on things and it's another long one. For those of you about to read you might be well advised to pour yourself a strong coffee to help keep you awake. For those that don't appreciate a bit of reading please disregard this post without making any negative comments about its length.TheFamilyCat wrote:Any context to the "tough window" quote or is it just up there to allow folk to have a pop at the club again?
It will be a tough window; we are in a dire position and desperately need a couple of bodies in key positions. Clubs know that so will try to screw us on transfer fees. Players and their agents will also know it so will be wary of joining us or will also demand higher wages.
I really can't see how we'll get the players we need without having our pants pulled down.
If we get a player with searing pace he will be in Todmorden before someone has played a through ball to himJohnMac wrote:If we get a player with searing pace he'll still have to hang around for the rest to catch up
Ball winner essential for me and an old head who can use it properly. A Charlie Adam type player.
??nonayclaret wrote:" We invested in Championship players and it's showing."
This can't be right! These players got us to 7th in the Premier League last season. They are therefore, PL players who are not playing as well this season.
But you can legislate that something will happen. And when you carry a perilously small squad you have no resistance to these things happening ..... and that’s the position we find ourselves in. Just a couple of injuries and our first XI is markedly weaker.ClaretTony wrote:You can't legislate for serious contact injuries such as the one Brady suffered at Leicester as an example. They happen in football and always will. Then you have the problem when these players come back. They suffer various niggles etc. as Brady has done. You probably can't legislate either for the wear and tear type injuries that require surgery such as those that Ward and Defour have faced.
Don’t be sillyVegas Claret wrote:Pochetino saying the January window is very tough - another manager with a chairman who wont back him to any great extent.
Would be a great point if we were just months away from moving into our brand spanking new ground having spent all our money on that.Vegas Claret wrote:Pochetino saying the January window is very tough - another manager with a chairman who wont back him to any great extent.
A tad unfair.Vegas Claret wrote:??
Vydra - signed from a Championship team
Gibson - signed from a Championship team
Hart - nobody else wanted him
Did the rest of us miss the PL players we signed in summer ?
If they did then I'm fairly sure they would skip read through the first part, because they have already thought of and considered the things I mentioned and more. Unfortunately Sean doesn't have the luxury of so many words when he gives interviews for the papers so everyone immediately jumps on his back, even though he makes nearly all the same points with far greater brevity.TVC15 wrote:Problem with that post is that if SD or Rigg decide to come on this board for a bit of inspirational advice by the time they have finished reading it the transfer window will be over !
how is it silly ?Dyched wrote:Don’t be silly
Not to be a pedant, but Torino aren’t in the EPL.claret_in_exile wrote:
Hart hasn't played outside the EPL since he was at Shrewsbury.
Without context.Vegas Claret wrote:how is it silly ?
Did Pochetino come out and say it will be a tough window - yes
Does Levy back him to the extent of others - no
both facts
Hart was brought in because our two top keepers were injured. I think most people thought that he was a great signing and he has been our MOM several times. You can't say he isn't PL standard. He has unfortunately moved onto the "who-to-blame-this-week list" - it was Wood last week.Vegas Claret wrote:??
Vydra - signed from a Championship team
Gibson - signed from a Championship team
Hart - nobody else wanted him
Did the rest of us miss the PL players we signed in summer ?
really ? have a look at his signings pre "we are moving stadium" - by top 4 PL standards he's not been backed like those around him have - the numbers speak for themselves. https://www.transfermarkt.com/mauricio- ... ainer/9044Socrates wrote:Without context.
They’re building a stadium. We’re not.
Where did I say (ever) that they weren't PL standard ? They were signed from the Championship, that was the ONLY point I was makingnonayclaret wrote:Hart was brought in because our two top keepers were injured. I think most people thought that he was a great signing and he has been our MOM several times. You can't say he isn't PL standard. He has unfortunately moved onto the "who-to-blame-this-week list" - it was Wood last week.
Gibson and Vydra have hardly featured, but when they have they have scored, and played well. So how can you say they aren't PL standard if you haven't seen them in many games yet?
They’ve built a stadium.Vegas Claret wrote:how is it silly ?
Did Pochetino come out and say it will be a tough window - yes
Does Levy back him to the extent of others - no
both facts
Dyche doesSocrates wrote:ps. I do not accept Rigg needs time to bed in
Aye, good point. Serie A, though.Socrates wrote:Not to be a pedant, but Torino aren’t in the EPL.
My original point was to a point about our signings being Championship standard and showing. I said that essentially the squad who got us to 7th is the same as now. The players you mentioned did come from the Championship but they were additions; Hart coming from Europe. Vydra and Gibson need a bigger chance to show their potential.Vegas Claret wrote:Where did I say (ever) that they weren't PL standard ? They were signed from the Championship, that was the ONLY point I was making
A good post but the real take away from that is that we should have done better in the summer window. In particular, those younger, promising players are unlikely to come in during the January window and make an instant impact (and they'll probably cost more).Long Time Lurker wrote:This is my take on things and it's another long one.
Imagine the situation here then. We have a highly desired player ready and willing to sign, pen in hand,ClaretTony wrote:Not rubbish at all. As for the clauses, I know that we have had players close to signing who then wouldn't with that relegation clause included.
I wouldn't imagine we throw curve balls in but don't all our players have relegation clauses in their contracts?Funkydrummer wrote:Imagine the situation here then. We have a highly desired player ready and willing to sign, pen in hand,
and we, at the last minute, throw a curve ball and just chuck in a clause whereby we will slash his wage
in half if we get relegated.
It's just seems that they were ready and willing to sign until that clause appeared.ClaretTony wrote:I wouldn't imagine we throw curve balls in but don't all our players have relegation clauses in their contracts?
What I was trying to say is that in the past we've tried to sign players who would not sign with a relegation clause.Funkydrummer wrote:It's just seems that they were ready and willing to sign until that clause appeared.
Where did it appear from ?
Was it not there when they agreed to sign ?
If so, what was the real reason that they didn't eventually sign ? Something stopped them from
doing so and you intimated that it was the presence of a relegation clause.
Am I not reading this correctly ?