What hurts as much as anything is knowing some of our fans would almost prefer be in the Championship than the Premier League, because it fits in with the “little old Burnley” vibe, which I hate.

Wolves fell to the same lows that we did, around the same time, and are now in the same league as us - but they don’t seem to be obsessed with the concept of simply being happy to be back at the top level.

Sad!

You do know that the Wolves owner is worth £5 billion don’t you? I’m not sure of Mike Garlick’s wealth but somehow I think it might be nearly £5 billion less. You’re right though, it is sad but that’s the reality.

Rileybobs wrote:You do know that the Wolves owner is worth £5 billion don’t you? I’m not sure of Mike Garlick’s wealth but somehow I think it might be nearly £5 billion less. You’re right though, it is sad but that’s the reality.

I also know that the same fans I refer to wouldn’t want that owner taking over our club.

I also know that Wolves fans were targeting a return to the top level before Fosun took over.

SGr wrote:Wolves fell to the same lows that we did, around the same time, and are now in the same league as us - but they don’t seem to be obsessed with the concept of simply being happy to be back at the top level.

Do you ever do anything other than criticise our club? No, don't bother answering because you don't. How on earth can you compare us to mega rich Wolves?

SGr wrote:I also know that Wolves fans were targeting a return to the top level before Fosun took over.

How do fans target returns? Wolves were going nowhere until the new owners came in.

SGr wrote:I also know that the same fans I refer to wouldn’t want that owner taking over our club.

I also know that Wolves fans were targeting a return to the top level before Fosun took over.

We have targeted promotion to the Premier League numerous times and have achieved it 3 times in the past 10 years. So what? I don’t know what point you’re trying to make and I’m not sure you even do. The comparison with Wolves is utterly bizarre.

ClaretTony wrote:Do you ever do anything other than criticise our club? No, don't bother answering because you don't. How on earth can you compare us to mega rich Wolves?

Comparing fan mentalities is important when looking at how a club performs. Supporter pressure often influences ambition of clubs.

I can compare us to mega-rich Wolves because, as I said, their history is very comparable to ours, where they collapsed and fell to the same level. But the difference is they don’t use their lowest point as some sort of reference point.

Some of our supporters, as I also said, would rather us be so called “unable to compete” than be taken over by someone who could elevate the club.

SGr wrote:I can compare us to mega-rich Wolves because, as I said, their history is very comparable to ours

Right, so nothing to do with them having a mega rich owner who is chucking millions at it? I didn't know that. Maybe we should demand our club pay millions and millions for players with money we don't have then we can have the same ambition.

ClaretTony wrote:Right, so nothing to do with them having a mega rich owner who is chucking millions at it? I didn't know that. Maybe we should demand our club pay millions and millions for players with money we don't have then we can have the same ambition.

Read the rest of the comment before quoting. OP targets supporters who would not like us to have such owners and the money available.

SGr wrote:OP targets supporters who would not like us to have such owners and the money available.

No it doesn't

ClaretTony wrote:No it doesn't

Yes it does.

SGr wrote:Read the rest of the comment before quoting. OP targets supporters who would not like us to have such owners and the money available.

I’m sure almost every single supporter would love the club to have an owner as rich as Wolves. At the same time a lot of our supporters would rather the club be owned by someone who has the best long term intentions for the town and the club. The two aren’t mutually exclusive but there would rightly be concern if we were taken over by a benefactor from the Far East for example.

Rileybobs wrote:I’m sure almost every single supporter would love the club to have an owner as rich as Wolves. At the same time a lot of our supporters would rather the club be owned by someone who has the best long term intentions for the town and the club. The two aren’t mutually exclusive but there would rightly be concern if we were taken over by a benefactor from the Far East for example.

That’s the problem, I don’t think a lot would. There’s a bizarre attachment with being small and “unable to compete”. Seeing things about how people miss the championship and would rather be back there. The “trust in Dyche” no matter what happens, etc. There’s this constant talk of the 4th division like it’s where we originally came from and that we somehow shouldn’t be at the top level. Extremely frustrating.

We do have a small club mentality, that's cause we are a small club !!! Wolves have always been bigger than us and now they have boat loads of cash they will dine in the top 10 of the PL until the owner gets bored. Bit daft comparing anyone outside the top 6 to Wolves !

SGr wrote:That’s the problem, I don’t think a lot would. There’s a bizarre attachment with being small and “unable to compete”. Seeing things about how people miss the championship and would rather be back there. The “trust in Dyche” no matter what happens, etc. There’s this constant talk of the 4th division like it’s where we came from and that we somehow shouldn’t be at the top level. Extremely frustrating.

I think people miss the Championsip because they miss seeing us win most weekends. If you polled our supporters and asked would they rather be a successful Championship team or a successful Premier League team I think almost 100% would opt for the latter.

The people who hark back to the fourth division days just have a sense of perspective and reality which your opening post doesn’t.

Vegas Claret wrote:We do have a small club mentality, that's cause we are a small club !!! Wolves have always been bigger than us and now they have boat loads of cash they will dine in the top 10 of the PL until the owner gets bored. Bit daft comparing anyone outside the top 6 to Wolves !

Wolves and Burnley have remarkably intertwined histories. Highs and lows at roughly the same time. I’m not talking about the ownership, I’m talking about what their fans think of themselves, hence my point about before the current ownership took over.

Rileybobs wrote:I think people miss the Championsip because they miss seeing us win most weekends

Part of the problem for me. It’s easy viewing, as opposed to competing at the highest level.

That is not to say I don’t understand what you’re getting at.

SGr wrote:Wolves and Burnley have remarkably intertwined histories. Highs and lows at roughly the same time. I’m not talking about the ownership, I’m talking about what their fans think of themselves, hence my point about before the current ownership took over.

Why on earth is any rating of fans mentality relevant?

All clubs have a mix of delusion, clueless, fine weather, armchair fans.

It’s a nonsense topic

Burnley being in the PL is like a mini being in F1

Hibsclaret wrote:Why on earth is any rating of fans mentality relevant?

All clubs have a mix of delusion, clueless, fine weather, armchair fans.

It’s a nonsense topic

Wow finally a somewhat coherent argument

Not a nonsense topic though, I firmly side with the concept that supporter pressure influences the ambition of clubs

paulatky wrote:Burnley being in the PL is like a mini being in F1

Every season there’s at least 3 clubs who you can say that about. At what point do you accept everyone’s there to compete regardless

I'm with Riley, give me the Championship any day of the week

Hibsclaret wrote:Why on earth is any rating of fans mentality relevant?

All clubs have a mix of delusion, clueless, fine weather, armchair fans.

It’s a nonsense topic

Cardiff Fulham Newcastle and Huddersfield fans have a great mentality towards their respective teams and in the same sh!t as us and appear to be behind their teams....Burnley fans in the main especially on here seem apathetic and need to get behind the team.... Yes were poor but so are the others mentioned...utc!

paulatky wrote:Burnley being in the PL is like a mini being in F1

And winning races!

We havn't got big money men behind us so therefore shouldn't really be competing with most teams in the Premier League...... but we have.
If we get relegated, so what, we enjoyed the ride and the biggest thrill is striving to get back there.

At the moment, its more like Wacky Races.

We've also had ten very good years .... To say we were ten behind a team that's been very poor over that time.

If you get get your head around who and what we are as a club, then you won't need to come out with so much crap.

Bin Ont Turf wrote:If you get get your head around who and what we are as a club, then you won't need to come out with so much crap.

We’re a club that tried to get people to work on the Turf for free earlier this season.

Please don’t bring out any “honest, hard working club” nonsense. We’re no holier than anyone at this level.

SGr wrote:We’re a club that tried to get people to work on the Turf for free earlier this season.

See, now you're getting it.

Good for Wolves - they’re doing nearly as well as we were doing, presumably still with our small club mentality, this time last year.

Bin Ont Turf wrote:See, now you're getting it.

I mean, you complied with my request. Least that’s something.

Historically how big are we?not just the Orient years but since 1882.based on trophies,years in the top flight.or do we base everything about the size of the town?

Claret eze wrote:Historically how big are we?not just the Orient years but since 1882.based on trophies,years in the top flight.or do we base everything about the size of the town?

Major trophies wise we’ve achieved more than Cardiff, Huddersfield, Fulham, Southampton, Watford, Bournemouth, Brighton and Crystal Palace.

Years in top flight I like as a metric, I dare say we’ve spent longer than most if not all of those clubs mentioned at the top level throughout our history.

Exactly.i don't buy this little old burnley crap. We will be in the top 30 or 40 richest clubs in the world from last season's tv money.

SGr wrote:Major trophies wise we’ve achieved more than Cardiff, Huddersfield, Fulham, Southampton, Watford, Bournemouth, Brighton and Crystal Palace.

Years in top flight I like as a metric, I dare say we’ve spent longer than most if not all of those clubs mentioned at the top level throughout our history.

We haven’t won more major trophies than Huddersfield.

SGr wrote:What hurts as much as anything is knowing some of our fans would almost prefer be in the Championship than the Premier League, because it fits in with the “little old Burnley” vibe, which I hate.

Wolves fell to the same lows that we did, around the same time, and are now in the same league as us - but they don’t seem to be obsessed with the concept of simply being happy to be back at the top level.

Sad!

What hurts is fans comparing us to teams like Wolves, who's parent company is worth upward of £60 BILLION

That's 700 TIMES wealth than our owner who estimated at around £80million

CombatClaret wrote:What hurts is fans comparing us to teams like Wolves, who's parent company is worth upward of £60 BILLION

That's 700 TIMES wealth than our owner who estimated at around £80million

I’m comparing the supporters and their attitude to what they perceive to be the level their club should aspire to. With or without the massive owners.

Rileybobs wrote:We haven’t won more major trophies than Huddersfield.

Right you are. Cardiff, Fulham, Southampton, Watford, Bournemouth, Brighton, Crystal Palace it is.

SGr wrote:I’m comparing the supporters and their attitude to what they perceive to be the level their club should aspire to. With or without the massive owners.

Surely reality has to account for something?! Should not fans of a club blacked by a Chinese Mega Corp aspire to greater success than the fans of a team owned by Mike Garlick? Should Man City not perceive themselves to be above Burnley FC? Should fans attitude not include a basic level of pragmatism when confronted with the vast inequality of wealth?

attitude, perceive, aspire... All intangible belief type words which can happily ignore the facts and reality.

Yet another pop at the club disguised by emotive word salad.

CombatClaret wrote:attitude, perceive, aspire... All intangible belief type words which can happily ignore the facts and reality.

Yet another pop at the club disguised by emotive word salad.

No disguise. This is a pop alright, not at the club itself this time, but at fans who buy into to the “honest, hard working, little old Burnley” b*ll*cks - which really is emotive word salad btw.

Claret eze wrote:Exactly.i don't buy this little old burnley crap. We will be in the top 30 or 40 richest clubs in the world from last season's tv money.

You don't have to buy it, but it's reality.

Yes we can do some things better, but it's not a computer game.

SGr wrote:“honest, hard working, little old Burnley” b*ll*cks - which really is emotive word salad btw.

You're quoting yourself.

SGr wrote:No disguise. This is a pop alright, not at the club itself this time, but at fans who buy into to the “honest, hard working, little old Burnley” b*ll*cks - which really is emotive word salad btw.

Ha ha. Not a pop at the club, but a pop at the fans who buy into what the club is perceived to be.

So in short, a pop at the club.

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Ha ha. Not a pop at the club, but a pop at the fans who buy into what the club is perceived to be.

So in short, a pop at the club.

Nope. Definitely just a pop at those fans.

Rileybobs wrote:We haven’t won more major trophies than Huddersfield.

I'll bet the op hasn't heard of Herbert Chapman,probably thinks football begun in 1992.

SGr wrote:Right you are. Cardiff, Fulham, Southampton, Watford, Bournemouth, Brighton, Crystal Palace it is.

You me remind me of those delusional Blackburn fans of the last ten years. You need a reality check.

Bin Ont Turf wrote:You don't have to buy it, but it's reality.

Yes we can do some things better, but it's not a computer game.

Computer game.which bit?

tim_noone wrote:We've also had ten very good years .... To say we were ten behind a team that's been very poor over that time.

Though that does mean we are due to go down this year if the prediction was correct.