Attack in manchester
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Attack in manchester
Literrally happened next to us a victoria station
Finally got home.after trains cancelled back.towards burnley
Nightmare
Finally got home.after trains cancelled back.towards burnley
Nightmare
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Terrorist related? Or some loon?
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Not good, a Police Officer, a man and a woman injured.
Glad you are safe mate.
Glad you are safe mate.
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Both the same thing aren't they.claretdj wrote:Terrorist related? Or some loon?
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So glad you're safe.
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yeah glad you are safe, sadly the world we live in now, very depressing end to the year
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Three people stabbed at Victoria Station, apparently.
Including a police officer.
(BBC)
Including a police officer.
(BBC)
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Terrible news hope those stabbed make a full recovery and glad you are safe trd.
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Erm, no...WestMidsClaret wrote:Both the same thing aren't they.
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Being linked to terrorist attack but suppose it is far too early to say.
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Police are looking for a man who looks nothing like Glen Little.
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Even if that's the case, some of those who claim to be terrorists (and those who are single attackers wielding knives are usually among them) turn out to be not right. Doesn't make their victims any less harmed and there's a wider debate about how they come into contact with an ideology that mixes with their original problems, but the individuals in most of these types of attacks are often of that ilk.tybfc wrote:Being linked to terrorist attack but suppose it is far too early to say.
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I think if someone attacks random people in the name of an ideology then it's classed as terrorism.
If it's in the name of religion then they are obviously f***ing mental.
Not sure how one detracts from the other
If it's in the name of religion then they are obviously f***ing mental.
Not sure how one detracts from the other
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In simplistic terms both need help.Damo wrote:I think if someone attacks random people in the name of an ideology then it's classed as terrorism.
If it's in the name of religion then they are obviously f***ing mental.
Not sure how one detracts from the other
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I think 100% of terrorists are not right either.thatdberight wrote:Even if that's the case, some of those who claim to be terrorists (and those who are single attackers wielding knives are usually among them) turn out to be not right. Doesn't make their victims any less harmed and there's a wider debate about how they come into contact with an ideology that mixes with their original problems, but the individuals in most of these types of attacks are often of that ilk.
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It must be comforting to think you live in a world of such simplistic untruths.Test User wrote:I think 100% of terrorists are not right either.
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Suffragettes?Test User wrote:I think 100% of terrorists are not right either.
(Not that I support violent protest in any way)
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Take your pick according to choice but Mandela, Begin, Washington, Collins, Kenyatta and many more...nil_desperandum wrote:Suffragettes?
(Not that I support violent protest in any way)
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Maybe change the thread title. Got my heart racing first thing.
Sounds like none of the three people have life threatening injuries and he's been arrested.
Sounds like none of the three people have life threatening injuries and he's been arrested.
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Oh right so a bloke screaming 'allah' and running down a train station stabbing anyone at will is just nothing to you now.Sounds if there was no police presence he could of killed many,very lucky that he did it in a high risk place.If he did it anywhere else surely there would be several casualties.Must of been horrific to see it all and frighteningClaretmatt4 wrote:Maybe change the thread title. Got my heart racing first thing.
Sounds like none of the three people have life threatening injuries and he's been arrested.
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Not at all, just the thread title sounds like it could be a major incident with lots of casualties like in May 2016 and sadly 3 people being stabbed, not fatally, isn't that major anymore.
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Need help do they? I have a better solution.tybfc wrote:In simplistic terms both need help.
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This thread should have stopped after post 3.
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A Transport police officer was stabbed and around 8 officers took him down. Lucky in that respect it was a major train station.Gp8419 wrote:Sounds if there was no police presence
Just seen a video on facebook of the suspect getting arrested and put in the back of the van. He looked to be a well built Afro Carribean chap.
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Ffscricketfieldclarets wrote:Police are looking for a man who looks nothing like Glen Little.
Not good macca literally happened right next to us. Had me little lad we me
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Accy the place to be.
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The lack of thought by posters on here at times beggers belief, hopefully there will be no lasting damage to you or your lad, must have been awful to witness.theroyaldyche wrote:Ffs
Not good macca literally happened right next to us. Had me little lad we me
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Were there any terrorist suffragettes? I know there was some violence, but I would have thought it a stretch to say that their aim was to create terror among the populace. If they did have that ambition, then they would (IMO) be among the 100% or so who were wrong.nil_desperandum wrote:Suffragettes?
(Not that I support violent protest in any way)
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I don't think you understand the definition of terrorism; "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." or, Collins, "Terrorism is the use of violence, especially murder and bombing, in order to achieve political aims or to force a government to do something."dsr wrote:Were there any terrorist suffragettes? I know there was some violence, but I would have thought it a stretch to say that their aim was to create terror among the populace. If they did have that ambition, then they would (IMO) be among the 100% or so who were wrong.
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Oh, well that's that then. Obviously you would have to be pretty stupid to believe that "Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror among masses of people". I'll try and do better in future.thatdberight wrote:I don't think you understand the definition of terrorism; "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." or, Collins, "Terrorism is the use of violence, especially murder and bombing, in order to achieve political aims or to force a government to do something."
But as nil_desperandum accurately pointed out, there were suffragette terrorists. https://www.bl.uk/votes-for-women/artic ... -militancy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And I would definitely put them among the 100% of terrorists that were wrong.
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You're right, not good at all.theroyaldyche wrote:Ffs
Not good macca literally happened right next to us. Had me little lad we me
Hope you and all your party are ok.
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Blimey, dsr agrees with nil - d post, New Year shock!dsr wrote: But as nil_desperandum accurately pointed out, there were suffragette terrorists. https://www.bl.uk/votes-for-women/artic ... -militancy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And I would definitely put them among the 100% of terrorists that were wrong.
Happy New Year one and all!!!!!
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Although that claims to be the broadest definition, it's very narrow. The need for the violence to be "intentionally indiscriminate" would exclude many groups which would normally be regarded as terrorists.dsr wrote:"Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror among masses of people".
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If it is indeed Islamic terrorism the perpetrator will invariably cry "Allah-hu-Akbar" (Allah is greater in Arabic), until this is determined it can only be put down to a run of the mill lunatic attack or some other form of domestic terrorism. The OP could know if this is the case if they were in close proximity to the attack.
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Confirmed.morpheus2 wrote:If it is indeed Islamic terrorism the perpetrator will invariably cry "Allah-hu-Akbar" (Allah is greater in Arabic), until this is determined it can only be put down to a run of the mill lunatic attack or some other form of domestic terrorism. The OP could know if this is the case if they were in close proximity to the attack.
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claretandy wrote:Confirmed.
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Dammit.
Oh well, cue the 'whataboutary' and the desperate looser definitions of the word 'terrorism' etc ....mind you, did I hear that IT was serving a ban?
I'm hoping that the present-day (so-called) Islamic State is on its last legs and these loons are just a few loose stragglers of the rearguard.
Let us hope this is the end of this stupidity, let us hope that Islam can reach some kind of enlightenment and these primitive ideas are cast back into the moral backwaters of 7th century Arabia where they belong and that a similar reformation - something like the one you Christians (bar a few weirdos in the US Bible belt) went through can guide Islam away from the cruelty, misogyny and bigotry in its ancient texts.
Unfortunately I won't be holding my breath though while the deluded apologetics and denial is so rife.
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whataboutery*morpheus2 wrote:Dammit.
Oh well, cue the 'whataboutary' and the desperate looser definitions of the word 'terrorism' etc ....mind you, did I hear that IT was serving a ban?
I'm hoping that the present-day (so-called) Islamic State is on its last legs and these loons are just a few loose stragglers of the rearguard.
Let us hope this is the end of this stupidity, let us hope that Islam can reach some kind of enlightenment and these primitive ideas are cast back into the moral backwaters of 7th century Arabia where they belong and that a similar reformation - something like the one you Christians (bar a few weirdos in the US Bible belt) went through can guide Islam away from the cruelty, misogyny and bigotry in its ancient texts.
Unfortunately I won't be holding my breath though while the deluded apologetics and denial is so rife.
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Four injured in a car-ramming-into-crowd incident in Germany too.
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Haven't got a clue...thought it was a word made up on this board...I spelt it correctly first time but my spelcheck didn't recognise it so I spelled it the way I thought it should be spelded.thatdberight wrote:whataboutery*
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thatdberight wrote:It must be comforting to think you live in a world of such simplistic untruths.
I suspect my opinion is far more complex and nuanced than yours.
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nil_desperandum wrote:Suffragettes?
(Not that I support violent protest in any way)
I didn't say they can't have good points. Most terrorists who blow themselves up on buses have a worthwhile point to make. But if you do it by harming either yourself or other innocent people then you are clearly "not right".
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Well then lets let loads more potential attackers come across from France on little boats.
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Wouldn't it be easier for loads more to come over on big boats?Lord Rothbury wrote:Well then lets let loads more potential attackers come across from France on little boats.
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Criminally insane =terrorist
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I really don't think that Mandela was criminally insane, nor many others who fought for a cause. That's not to say that I agree with their methods or tactics.Spike wrote:Criminally insane =terrorist
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It's a nonsense comment. Clearly not all those who are "criminally insane" are terrorists.nil_desperandum wrote:I really don't think that Mandela was criminally insane, nor many others who fought for a cause. That's not to say that I agree with their methods or tactics.
Looks like I was right about the Manchester guy. Detained under the Mental Health Act.
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What about de Gaulle? Is there some level of illegitimacy of government at which you're prepared to sanction violence? I'd hope so.nil_desperandum wrote:I really don't think that Mandela was criminally insane, nor many others who fought for a cause. That's not to say that I agree with their methods or tactics.