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Crosses into the box

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:47 pm

Good performance overall. In particular from McNeil and Wood again. Wood is linking up very well with Barnes and McNeil has shown he isnt scared to put balls into the box consistently.

However, poor to see us concede from a cross again. Should be bread and butter to our defenders.

Must be a reason we are so poor at these this season? And with Heatons vociferous presence back in goal we can't blame Hart.

As with Evertons opener its a free header. And its happened countless times this season. Bit of a concern as its not a sublime bit of skill, but a simple ball in the box.

On the flip side good to see that we have someone confident in doing the same at the other end in McNeil!

Big part of the game that we havent always used to our advantage in recent seasons (since Trippier left).

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:52 pm

Their cross was inch perfect.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:52 pm

Their cross was inch perfect.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:52 pm

Their cross was inch perfect.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by criminalclaret » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:53 pm

Shame we have no lost Brady for Fulham, Watford and It's. Big loss for a silly mistake as he is a game changer.

Back 4 was knowhere near as solid as against West Ham but got stuck in there.

Gonna get shot down for this, as I'm sure, but I wonder if here has been any interest in speaking to Gary Cahill behind the scenes.

Ex Burnley, wants to leave, they want to let him go on loan. Could be well worth the wages, give Ben and Tarks some competition

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:55 pm

Isnt Brady suspended fr Barnsley? Sure I read straight reds are for all competitions, yellows and two yellows only the one they are in?

It was a silly challenge but a necessary one. I would sooner he took the risk of the red than the risk of the goal.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:57 pm

criminalclaret wrote:Shame we have no lost Brady for Fulham, Watford and It's. Big loss for a silly mistake as he is a game changer.

Back 4 was knowhere near as solid as against West Ham but got stuck in there.

Gonna get shot down for this, as I'm sure, but I wonder if here has been any interest in speaking to Gary Cahill behind the scenes.

Ex Burnley, wants to leave, they want to let him go on loan. Could be well worth the wages, give Ben and Tarks some competition
Cant see Cahill really.

Very good player. But he wants to play. And there is no way Dyche will drop Tarks or Mee for a veteran for the sake of 6 months.

If we lose Tarks to a big bid perhaps. But I cant see that either.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Socrates » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:08 pm

criminalclaret wrote:Shame we have no lost Brady for Fulham, Watford and It's. Big loss for a silly mistake as he is a game changer.

Back 4 was knowhere near as solid as against West Ham but got stuck in there.

Gonna get shot down for this, as I'm sure, but I wonder if here has been any interest in speaking to Gary Cahill behind the scenes.

Ex Burnley, wants to leave, they want to let him go on loan. Could be well worth the wages, give Ben and Tarks some competition
Before we sign Cahill why don’t we try that lad we spent £14 million on this summer?
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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:09 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Isnt Brady suspended fr Barnsley? Sure I read straight reds are for all competitions, yellows and two yellows only the one they are in?

It was a silly challenge but a necessary one. I would sooner he took the risk of the red than the risk of the goal.
It'll be a three game ban for serious foul play.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by piston broke » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:15 pm

I was pleased to hear SD say on Sunday that McNeil had been told to get it in early.
Can he now have a word with our three other international widemen and tell them this is what he expects. Not four touches and a pass back to their fullback.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:16 pm

Tall Paul wrote:It'll be a three game ban for serious foul play.
Lets play for the draw against Barnsley :-)
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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by criminalclaret » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:22 pm

Socrates wrote:Before we sign Cahill why don’t we try that lad we spent £14 million on this summer?
He's not Dyche fit or PL ready ;)

I get your point. I would love to see Gibson excel, but is he dog fight level? Be nice to see what he does on Sat against Barnsley, he should hopefully get a start.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by criminalclaret » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:25 pm

Re Brady red 3 matches. So Barnsley, Fulham Watford and he's back for Utd game? I'd bloody take that.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Richardsbfc » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:26 pm

Can’t beleive Heaton didn’t come to claim the cross!

Hart would have been lambasted for that!

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by NL Claret » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:31 pm

Richardsbfc wrote:Can’t beleive Heaton didn’t come to claim the cross!

Hart would have been lambasted for that!
The goalkeeping experts are quiet tonight and over analysis of goalkeepers has stopped maybe.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by diamondpocket » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:36 pm

Poor from both Mee & Taylor; Mee shouldn't have let him peel off him so easily and was caught square but equally it is Taylor's job to be anticipating danger and covering his centre-half, there was no danger from the right winger he was keeping an eye on.
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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Chuckypad » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:36 pm

Richardsbfc wrote:Can’t beleive Heaton didn’t come to claim the cross!

Hart would have been lambasted for that!
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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:41 pm

Richardsbfc wrote:Can’t beleive Heaton didn’t come to claim the cross!

Hart would have been lambasted for that!
Have to agree that Hart would have been slaughtered.

For me it should be Tarks heading clear. (as should have been the case with Mina). But a bit of perspective, especially if fans are expecting that now Harts now out these problems have disappeared. They havent and definitely need addressing.

Can accept letting in goals from amazing skill against top sides. But these sort of goals should be what defenders like ours thrive on!

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Socrates » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:42 pm

Tarks heading clear? He’s the right sided centre-back, ball is nowhere near him.

Do you not mean Mee?

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:58 pm

Socrates wrote:Tarks heading clear? He’s the right sided centre-back, ball is nowhere near him.

Do you not mean Mee?
It possibly was Mee thinking back. Either way should have been won in the air.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Socrates » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:17 pm

It’s definitely Mee

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:19 pm

Socrates wrote:It’s definitely Mee
Yes you are right. I dont know why I put Tarks.

Mee ******** Taylor so he clearly thinks it shouldve been dealt with too.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Chuckypad » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:25 pm

It's a cracking ball in from the left and there's no way you'd expect your keeper to come for that. Maybe Taylor could have got around to cover as soon as he saw the ball was beating Mee, and bearing in mind he didn't bother to jump, maybe he could have done more. Ultimately, it's just a good goal
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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by piston broke » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:12 am

They were both at fault.
Mee had him and there was no other danger. He shouldn’t have allowed him so much freedom.
Taylor had checked around and had nobody to mark he should have got closer. He actually made contact with him just as he headed it.
Mee turned around and lambasted Taylor and the way his head dropped it looked like he accepted his part in it.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by claretnproud » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:18 am

The goal came from Westwood losing the ball initially in midfield.The cross was inch perfect and our lads were fairly well positioned for a normal cross but the high loopy nature of the ball took them out of the equation. Tom almost got to it but those bouncing headers are tough. Joe may have got it or then again he may not have. I thought when we were 11 v 11 we were the best team and result about right. utc.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by lucs86 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:33 am

I like Mee but I've got a feeling we'll be better when Gibson comes in for him.
Tarks was shaky tonight though.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by HunterST_BFC » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:02 am

diamondpocket wrote:Poor from both Mee & Taylor; Mee shouldn't have let him peel off him so easily and was caught square but equally it is Taylor's job to be anticipating danger and covering his centre-half, there was no danger from the right winger he was keeping an eye on.
Spot On.
Taylor was not affecting anything.
But... Hard to call Taylor out as he bust a gut all game.

These things happen.
Their cross was a beaut though. Not a punt into the box.
We got caught out that's all.
A good goal.
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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by ewanrob » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:11 am

I think sometime you've to give credit where it's due, great cross and header
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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:17 am

I agree. Great ball and a brave header. No doubt.

But just highlighting we still let one of these in, with hart out. Had he been in he wouldve been lynched!
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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by diamondpocket » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:23 am

After all the chat these last few days, it's only right to comment on the keeper; Heats must have surely screamed at the two defenders that there was a striker between them and to stay aware.................

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by tim_noone » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:26 am

diamondpocket wrote:After all the chat these last few days, it's only right to comment on the keeper; Heats must have surely screamed at the two defenders that there was a striker between them and to stay aware.................
He got beat by a good downward header...sh!t happens.take the 1..2 victory everyday.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by mybloodisclaret » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:39 am

We win a massive game and we are analysing a goal the home team, desperate for a win score. We needed the win, we got it. Not much more to say, other than 2nd game back for Heats and things look a lot, lot better!

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by diamondpocket » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:41 am

tim_noone wrote:He got beat by a good downward header...sh!t happens.take the 1..2 victory everyday.
I was being ironic but admit it wasnt so clear, it's late and I've celebrated the win!!!

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by tim_noone » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:47 am

diamondpocket wrote:I was being ironic but admit it wasnt so clear, it's late and I've celebrated the win!!!
#me to.....I was right behind the goal and clearly heard Tom shout....somewhat sheepish "even joe wouldn't have stopped that" utc!
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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:46 am

We got caught ball watching again instead of marking the forward.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:51 am

Taylor is still learning (as they all are) at this level, he simply has to tuck in when you can see the cross is coming, he doesn't and it's a free header - at the weekend he tucked in against WHU on a similar cross and made a superb header to stick the ball behind for a corner. His inconsistency will go with more games

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by CJW » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:24 am

Vegas Claret wrote:Taylor is still learning (as they all are) at this level,
At this level? It was Huddersfield.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by NL Claret » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:43 am

Last night it was a great cross and others at fault in the build up.

The Everton first goal was Hart's fault for not coming for a similarly good cross and no mention of the ball watching midfielders and defenders.

Where have the goalkeeper experts gone?
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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:54 am

It was a good cross and a good header but he was all alone in the box

I think Taylor reacted to him being inexplicably being left by Mee but I do see the point that he probably should have reacted earlier.

Mee never noticed him at all which is a worry when Mitrovic is coming in our next league game.

And the cross was in the air long enough for a keeper to react to it as well.

All in all, not good
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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:55 am

You’ve not taken this well have you.

If you think those two crosses were the same then fair play to you, it’s no wonder you are upset.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by jedi_master » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:25 am

It never crossed my mind that Heaton would come for that cross, that's not an agenda, it's that Everton's first goal was 'challengeable' by a goalkeeper (and a defence), and I didn't think Mounie's goal was. Sometimes you have to simply say 'good goal'. It was an excellent cross and a good header.

I realise people want Joe Hart to be a success at Burnley, but we cannot be lynching Heaton/Pope now for any goal conceded from now till the end of the season(if it's a clear error, fair play for discussion obviously). I mention agenda's above, if people who backed Hart to the hilt now try to look for very flimsy criticism's of our incumbent keeper despite the upturn in form that is, in itself, an agenda.

Why not look at the fundamental fact of six points from two games and our best two performances of the season since Joe Hart has been dropped, is that coincidental? A lot on here seem to be implying it is?

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:35 am

The cross was good, the header was good, but its come from a long way out into the six yard box. And there is only one striker in the area.

Heaton/Hart/Pope/any goalkeeper is probably going to rely on the defence clearing it, the defence are going to think that the keeper is coming for it.

So yes, good cross but its clearly a weakness that we have with crosses into that area. You could argue that would be the same for any team but one thing we have been very poor at all season is dealing with crosses into the box.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by NL Claret » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:38 am

All good here thanks.

6/6.

No threads calling for dychey to do one.

No threads about getting Moyes in.

No more inaccurate analysis of goalkeepers.

There is still the problem of dealing with crosses coming into the box. ( thread title) Has been an issue all season long.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by jedi_master » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:39 am

NL Claret wrote:All good here thanks.

6/6.

No threads calling for dychey to do one.

No threads about getting Moyes in.

No more inaccurate analysis of goalkeepers.

There is still the problem of dealing with crosses coming into the box. ( thread title) Has been an issue all season long.
It's crazy to think we are literally 8 days past threads asking if we would be happy with David Moyes. My mind cannot process that.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:43 am

Its a football messageboard inhabited by the usual collection of sensible posters and bat **** mental lunatics.

Notice the much less amount of posts from the "I've mysteriously forgotten my log in details" posters who only post negative stuff?

I've never got my head around the idea that its either got to be amazingly good or amazingly bad.

I've also never got my head around the idea that our most successful manager ever has "lost the plot/dressing room/tactical belief/press/anything"

Last few days have been good, next few days might be bad.

Its what happens when you support a football team.
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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by claretspice » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:45 am

I stand to be corrected, but of the two defenders, I thought Taylor was the one to blame, and I think it's all about starting positions - I always understood that for a right wing cross like that, the left back's position should be roughly level with the back post or just inside it - Taylor is wider. Mee is on the penalty spot which appears about right to me given Tarks' position, but there is then too big a gap to Taylor and having allowed Mounie to get the wrong side he cannot get back in. I think it's a bit harsh to say Mee loses him - it's open play, he's got to look at the flight of the ball and so he's always going to be back peddling.

I can see the argument that Heaton should have come for it, but I think it's a bit borderline - I don't think anyone would have criticised Hart too severely for not coming for that cross - but I'm also not convinced Heaton helped matters by going for the quick throw out to Westwood, who was surrounded and predictably lost the ball, allowing Huddersfield to launch the attack before we'd fully reorganised.

It's not a great goal to concede, but we've conceded far worse and it is well executed by Huddersfield.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:49 am

One thing is for sure, if you are Mitrovic or Ranieri, you are looking at that goal (amongst others) and spending a lot of time drilling home to the players thats what to aim for.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:06 am

From the camera angle it looks easy for Mee to clear and he thinks so too, concentrating on the ball rather than the man. But it simply ends up going over his head after misjudging it.
It's bonkers to think Taylor should get goal side of a lone CF when we have two Centre Halves there.
As for Heaton coming, Dyche prefers his keepers to stay and not do anything rash.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by NL Claret » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:14 am

Is itt Dyche that prefers keepers to stay on their line or it is more the modern day of goalkeeping (unless you are 6ft 5 and have really long arms like Pope or the lad who was at Chelsea).

West Ham keeper had a mare with a cross that led to a goal last night, Brighton keeper against us came for a ball he was never going to win and Tom dislocated his shoulder coming out for one. Defenders need to be doing more to prevent the crosses and dealing with the men in the box. Neither has happened all season.

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Re: Crosses into the box

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:26 am

Dyche came out saying you need to make 3 mistakes/fail to clear generally to concede.
Not blocking the cross or pass at source.
Not winning the header or blocking the shot.
Then the keeper has chance to save.

The keeper coming narrows it down to two unless he's guaranteed to catch the ball.

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