Incoming players this january (2018/19)

claretnproud · Post by **claretnproud** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:53 pm

just wondering what everyone thought about whether we will be buying anyone. Up to beating West ham and Huddersfield I thought no chance as we wouldnt want to take the chance of paying premier league wages in the championship. Hoping the last couple of results have changed things as our relegation rivals will all strengthen their squads I would imagine.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:55 pm

We won't sign anyone. Different window same mistakes will be made. I would love to be proven wrong though and if I am it will be a nice surprise.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:02 pm

No point signing JRod. He only scores from penalties lol

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:08 pm

We have to buy Premier League ready players, but also need to think about the future and getting the average age of the squad down.

Josh Maja at Sunderland is 20, come through their youth team, is very strong and has scored quite a decent return of goals. They want him to sign a new contract this window, as his contract is up in the summer. If he doesn’t sign, this would be a great investment for the future.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:17 pm

Dyche has apparently said we want a winger so would expect
at least one signing but if it's Phillips from West Brom then we can't
guarantee we'd get him or that he would wish to come.

I'd be surprised if not disappointed if we didn't bring in anyone.

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:19 pm

Why would we sign a league 1 player? When we have already got last season's championship top goal scorer who has his own seat on the bench @ turf n can't get a sniff! We need proven premier league players who can come straight into the starting 11 n are better than what we already have not some league one hopefull..

claretnproud · Post by **claretnproud** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:19 pm

jurek wrote:Dyche has apparently said we want a winger so would expect
at least one signing but if it's Phillips from West Brom then we can't
guarantee we'd get him or that he would wish to come.

I'd be surprised if not disappointed if we didn't bring in anyone.

we rub west brom up the wrong way. They consistently dont drop to the price we want to pay and I think by now they will not take us seriously.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:20 pm

Outgoings could be just as interesting.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:23 pm

claretdj wrote:Why would we sign a league 1 player? When we have already got last season's championship top goal scorer who has his own seat on the bench @ turf n can't get a sniff! We need proven premier league players who can come straight into the starting 11 n are better than what we already have not some league one hopefull..

He his only 20 years old . Can score goals got pace we could buy him and loan him out for the rest of his career

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:29 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:He his only 20 years old . Can score goals got pace we could buy him and loan him out for the rest of his career

That "Chelsea" business model will be illegal next season - Chelsea now have 41 players out on loan - next season they will only be allowed 8 same for everyone in Europe

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:58 pm

Westwood an aging Lennon Lowton Hart Cork are the only prem players we could afford that come to mind we have bought apart and you can say the majority were clubs wanting to off load either relegation was beckoning or the players were aging
So many of us know that European market needs exploiting by our club we will simply not pay for players out of the prem to better what we have
History tells us

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:06 pm

FCBurnley wrote:No point signing JRod. He only scores from penalties lol

What are penalties?????

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:06 pm

Not sure the hyper-inflated January market is the right environment for investing in future players who we will not see until next season at the absolute earliest especially as we don't know which league we will be in as yet.

Focus on the PL-ready players we need who can come straight into team/squad. CM and a wide player minimum requirement. If we're serious we'll have to bite the bullet and pay the premium rate - fee and wages. As has been said better value to be had if we broaden our net and beyond the Championship - hopefully that's the area Mike Rigg has been working on since his appointment.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:10 pm

I'll be pleasantly surprised if we bring anybody in, but if we do, it will surely be towards the 31st. They need to be players who can play now, though.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:25 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I'll be pleasantly surprised if we bring anybody in, but if we do, it will surely be towards the 31st. They need to be players who can play now, though.

Following the summer window, I’d be disappointed if we didn’t see at least two signings, ideally more.

The approach we take to signings (hoping for a better late deal) seems quite risky, in terms of missing out, and also meaning that we don’t have the player(s) in January, likely February and in to March, with Dyche taking his time to bed them in.

We’ve had a couple of great results, we need more and can’t risk not strengthening again, when we know those around us will be doing.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:32 pm

Last couple of results certainly puts more pressure on now there’s a chance.

I think Garlick being Garlick will still go for appeasement however. One on loan, maybe a low-mid sized transfer just to keep the fans at bay.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:37 pm

SGr wrote:Last couple of results certainly puts more pressure on now there’s a chance.

I think Garlick being Garlick will still go for appeasement however. One on loan, maybe a low-mid sized transfer just to keep the fans at bay.

I hope this "Appeasement" your'e on about is a winger or a Tough tackling midfield general

John Johnson 1605 · Post by **John Johnson 1605** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:39 pm

SGr wrote:Last couple of results certainly puts more pressure on now there’s a chance.

I think Garlick being Garlick will still go for appeasement

Do you think this will result in the invasion of Poland ?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:42 pm

What exactly IS 'Dyche fit' anyway. Just wondering because we hear a lot about it but all it seems to mean is new players don't get a game for 3 months unless we have no-one else in that position. If we bought Messi we'd be relegated before he got a game.

BurnleyPaul · Post by **BurnleyPaul** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:44 pm

Outgoings could affect incomings...

I’m of the opinion that our wage bill is running close to its maximum and that we need to free up some “slack” there before we commit to £30k p.w (minimum!) deals for somebody to come in and enhance our first XI.

We also need to remember that a lot of our squad are (a) getting old in comparative terms to other teams in the division and (b) performing at/near their maximum levels. If we’re to develop then we’ll have to start moving some of our squad on....no sentimentality can be afforded for past successes unfortunately.

In order of priority I’d go for:
Centre midfield
Winger
Striker
Full back

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:51 pm

Full back is an interesting shout.

We were linked with a few left backs over the summer but I think Taylor has done very well (particularly recently) and you could now argue right back might be more pressing seen as Lowton and Bardsley keep replacing each other. Dyche obviously not 100% happy with either of them.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:54 pm

BurnleyPaul wrote:Outgoings could affect incomings...

I’m of the opinion that our wage bill is running close to its maximum and that we need to free up some “slack” there before we commit to £30k p.w (minimum!) deals for somebody to come in

You have seen our accounts these last few years?

Tens of millions of pounds of profits.

There’s plenty of slack there without betting the ranch.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:57 pm

Keep reminding people on here that we are limited on how much we can increase our salary spend year on year (seems a monthly thing) but few seem to pay attention

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BurnleyPaul · Post by **BurnleyPaul** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:03 pm

Socrates wrote:You have seen our accounts these last few years?

Tens of millions of pounds of profits.

There’s plenty of slack there without betting the ranch.

Not if we want to leave a sensible amount squirrelled away in case of relegation....we’re never going to be a club which pushes right to our financial limits- not under our current board anyway.

Also who knows what the current figures show...probably higher than most of us suspect.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:06 pm

There is certainly room for a couple of players.

Every transfer window we do tend to aim to get more players in than we actually get over the line.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:13 pm

Bosscat wrote:I hope this "Appeasement" your'e on about is a winger or a Tough tackling midfield general

There’ll be a list of what we need, and we’ll probably get one or two of it. Winger I believe is the priority at the moment.

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:13 pm

Free up some room on the wage bill by selling it releasing a few this window :

Wells
lindegaard
Release Walters?
I’d go as far as saying sell Hart and Vydra too, providing Vydra isnt getting a sniff and anyone is interested in Hart.

As much as I have a soft spot for Sam Vokes, I feel that his time with us may come to an end during this window if we have a replacement lined up.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:14 pm

John Johnson 1605 wrote:Do you think this will result in the invasion of Poland ?

Can’t see us going back in for Grosicki...

claret_in_exile · Post by **claret_in_exile** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:31 pm

BurnleyPaul wrote:I’m of the opinion that our wage bill is running close to its maximum and that we need to free up some “slack” there before we commit to £30k p.w (minimum!) deals for somebody to come in and enhance our first XI.

Isn't our wage ceiling capped at 35k/week (Dyche excluded)?

I don't think the issue is with us needing slack, I'd guess it's more about getting players in inside our wage ceiling AND getting those relegation clauses in the contracts.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:39 pm

BurnleyPaul wrote:Not if we want to leave a sensible amount squirrelled away in case of relegation....we’re never going to be a club which pushes right to our financial limits- not under our current board anyway.

Also who knows what the current figures show...probably higher than most of us suspect.

There’s sensible.

And then there’s the GDP of middle sized countries.

Aside from the near £100 million in parachute payments you’d get we could comfortably generate the same amount again selling players, based on the sum Solanke has gone for today.

We are flush. Not by Premier League top 10 standards perhaps, but flush compared to the rest.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:45 pm

claret_in_exile wrote:Isn't our wage ceiling capped at 35k/week (Dyche excluded)?

I don't think the issue is with us needing slack, I'd guess it's more about getting players in inside our wage ceiling AND getting those relegation clauses in the contracts.

Royboy has gone into detail re wage ceilings several times in the last year - the £35k p/w was at least 2 seasons ago maybe even SD's first in the prem it is more likely to be £60-70k p/w though the average presumed as more likely to be around £50k p/w

claret_in_exile · Post by **claret_in_exile** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:50 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Royboy has gone into detail re wage ceilings several times in the last year - the £35k p/w was at least 2 seasons ago maybe even SD's first in the prem it is more likely to be £60-70k p/w though the average presumed as more likely to be around £50k p/w

Fair enough, but the last one I saw had Ben Gibson in it. It didn't have Joe Hart, though.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:54 pm

SGr wrote:Last couple of results certainly puts more pressure on now there’s a chance.

I think Garlick being Garlick will still go for appeasement however. One on loan, maybe a low-mid sized transfer just to keep the fans at bay.

I doubt that Mike Garlick will be spending a few million quid just to “keep the fans at bay”.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:03 pm

I'd be very surprised if we did any business this window. Never think it's the right time. We've only just got the team playing as a unit, why upset the applecart.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:07 pm

ashtonlongsider wrote:We've only just got the team playing as a unit, why upset the applecart.

I reckon you'll be in the minority with that thinking.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:14 pm

Im surprised we havent heard the '£15k a week max' line so far this window

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:17 pm

Which ‘£15k a week max’ line is that? When have you heard it before?

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:47 pm

Chester Perry wrote:That "Chelsea" business model will be illegal next season - Chelsea now have 41 players out on loan - next season they will only be allowed 8 same for everyone in Europe

The "meat farm" business model might well be illegal next year, but that isn't what we would be talking about. Chelsea and other teams have consistently cornered the market in respect to youth talent. These players have entered their academies, learnt their trade, and then they have been sent out on a succession of loans without ever making the first team. Considering the quality in the bigger teams, it could be argued that a large number of them never had any real chance of pushing up through the ranks and they were bought primarily to sell.

Now, their are no guarantees that any development player will go on to have a career in football and even less chance that they will go on to play at the highest level. Even within our own system players have moved on without featuring for our first team. The issue with Chelsea and other teams is the sheer volume of players they have consistently brought in and the impact it has had on those players and the football league.

Putting aside the monetary issue the big teams would argue that the players are benefitting from top class coaching, even if they never have any chance of making it through the ranks. On the opposite side of the fence others would argue that the players would improve more if they received consistent playing time at a lower level. Shifting the ownership of such players away from the bigger teams could also benefit the revenue streams of the smaller clubs who are struggling to make ends meet.

Bringing an end to the "meat farms" of the bigger clubs could give younger players more active playing time, more chance to move up the ranks within a team, improve the financial solvency of smaller clubs and improve competition in the football leagues as a whole.

In our case we don't run a "meat farm" and I'm fairly confident that we have no intention of ever doing so. The players we bring in have a genuine chance of making it through the ranks and playing for our first team. That is our primary aim and our primary objective, to give players an honest chance of developing and playing at a high level with us. Obviously, we can't ignore the monetary side of things, but in our case the player always comes first. Even when we move players on we look to do right by them. In the case of the bigger teams it can be argued that their primary motivation is money and that they have little to no regard for the players themselves and what happens to them, it's all about the money.

I don't think anybody is advocating that we should follow the "meat farm" approach, to the extent that we will ever have 40+ players out on loan. However, we certainly have the size and scope to increase the presence of talent development at our club while maintining a player first focus. So bringing in more quality youth talent should certainly play a bigger part of our overall transfer strategy. We have the room in our ranks, the facilities, the environment and the coaching staff to really make a difference when it comes to giving younger players the chance to have a long and lasting career in football. Making better use of what we can offer would benefit everyone.

turfytopper · Post by **turfytopper** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:57 pm

Chester Perry wrote:That "Chelsea" business model will be illegal next season - Chelsea now have 41 players out on loan - next season they will only be allowed 8 same for everyone in Europe

I hadn't read about that.... hallelujah if it's right. Should have been the case years ago.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:06 pm

I wouldn't be expecting too much, we only have a squad place for one.
I suppose we could take one or two off the squad list, and possibly sell someone....can't see it myself.

John Johnson 1605 · Post by **John Johnson 1605** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:06 pm

SGr wrote:Can’t see us going back in for Grosicki...

Although Bohemia now under our protectorate in the form of Vydra

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:22 pm

Have to agree with the last post by Long Time Lurker re. the 'meat farm' business model
used by Chelsea in particular.
If that model is going to be illegal next season then we could well be beneficiaries
as we should be able to offer youngsters a much better chance of progressing to first team
level and then possibly moving on to the bigger clubs after a few seasons with us.

However, what is slightly worrying is the fact that we haven't managed to bring
many, if any youngsters (McNeil aside) through our own system over the last 3-5 years.

One would hope that we could have brought on at least one or two over the last few years.
Hopefully Rigg will start to address this issue over the coming season or so as it seems almost
ridiculous that we haven't brought on any.
It's got to be a key issue for a club like ours and if we could improve the situation it would surely
save us paying out millions in the transfer market.

Much may depend on whether we can stay up alongside finding ways to identify and
capture some of the more talented youngsters and persuade them we're as good, if not a better option
than some of the bigger clubs. One key issue is whether we can 'cast our net' wider than we have been able
to do so now. There's clearly young talent around both in the UK and/or further afield.

If we can manage to do so then it could ensure our future as a top division club
albeit not one of the big top clubs which clearly we shall never be.
Unless we get some billionaire who's got plenty of spare cash and willing to invest it.
A little like Bournemouth who have someone who's happy to provide funds but doesn't
appear to want to interfere too much in how the club is run and/or bleed it dry.

A billionaire investor isn't likely to happen in the near future so we have to go down
the road of developing good youngsters. It doesn't cost as much as tralling the Championship
where most teams want 15-20m+ plus for their better young players.
A price that is just about getting beyond our reach already.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:35 pm

jdrobbo wrote:We have to buy Premier League ready players, but also need to think about the future and getting the average age of the squad down.

Josh Maja at Sunderland is 20, come through their youth team, is very strong and has scored quite a decent return of goals. They want him to sign a new contract this window, as his contract is up in the summer. If he doesn’t sign, this would be a great investment for the future.

Can agree pre-contracts from now I believe. Do it. Nothing wrong with this sort of signing when it's a freebie

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:41 pm

We most definitely need to up the quality, let's hope Rigg is some sort of magician !

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:47 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I'll be pleasantly surprised if we bring anybody in, but if we do, it will surely be towards the 31st. They need to be players who can play now, though.

I take you mean their age next birthday!

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:56 pm

Interesting if Chelsea are going to have restrictions on the amount of loan players they can send out.

You'd think there might be a few players available for a permanent transfer in that case. Wonder if there are any worth having.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:04 pm

SGr wrote:Can agree pre-contracts from now I believe. Do it. Nothing wrong with this sort of signing when it's a freebie

Are you sure, given it's domestic? Also, it wouldn't be a freebie as we would have to pay a small fee due to the age of the player.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:07 pm

A wide player is becoming quite pressing. Both Brady and Lennon missing for vital games v Fulham and Watford. Only JBG and McNeil available with 4-4-2 currently looking like it suits us right now...we're short in wide areas.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:20 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:Are you sure, given it's domestic? Also, it wouldn't be a freebie as we would have to pay a small fee due to the age of the player.

Just had a look. 23 or older for pre-contracts sadly, as you say. Doesn't seem to be a league issue but we would have to wait until summer. Not to say we can't be speaking to the relevant parties at this stage

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:43 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:Full back is an interesting shout.

We were linked with a few left backs over the summer but I think Taylor has done very well (particularly recently) and you could now argue right back might be more pressing seen as Lowton and Bardsley keep replacing each other. Dyche obviously not 100% happy with either of them.

If we are looking at right full backs in this window then Ryan Woods might be a good shout. He is obviously a defensive midfielder, which we could use, but I think he could make a good right back after a period of adjustment. I can't see us picking him up on the cheap though.