Are smart meter's harmful ?

[SmudgetheClaret]

Now i dont want to cause any panic but there is a fair amount of information suggesting the wifi waves used for them are harmful and im only posting this because since we had ours fitted by First Utility about 6 months ago i personally have suffered from some of the listed side effects ?
https://www.emfanalysis.com/smart-meter-health-effects/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Rowls]

[dougcollins]

Is that you pstotto?

[SmudgetheClaret]

Ill take that as i dont care if they are or not...

[thatdberight]

Ill take that as i dont care if they are or not...

From having a quick toot, a number of the usual conspiracy theorists (infowars for example), some doctors financed by "stop the smart meter" coalitions, some non-peer-reviewed studies, some self-selecting studies, some hypochondriacs, some rather damaged people and anecdotal evidence seem to be at the forefront of the claims. I don't dismiss them but it doesn't look like mainstream thinking. But time may prove them right.

[AndrewJB]

I don’t see how WiFi signals from a smart metre will be any different from other WiFi signals.

[DCWat]

Unbelievable

[ElectroClaret]

MI5/CIA surveillance bugs planted in each one.

They're watching YOU.

[Rileybobs]

[WestMidsClaret]

Bloody hell Paul you've aged.

[Devils_Advocate]

subsidised by the Clinton Foundation - says it all really

[SmudgetheClaret]

Well when your legs drop off don't come running to me ..

[BigChaCha]

On a similar subject:

My wife's uncle used to always hold his mobile phone at arms length with the speakerphone on. I used to find it really annoying having to listen his conversations lol but he did it because he was worried about what the signals would do to his brain! That was the type of person he was. Always worrying about similar things to the one you mention.

He was a very intelligent man .... an ex British Aerospace Engineer who was a millionaire or close to it and had retired at 55.

Also he was incredibly fit. At 65 you'd think he was 50. He ate really healthily, very rarely drank and when he did it would be one glass of red wine. He exercised every day and regularly did hill walking! He almost never ate anything sweet apart from a little chocolate and even then it had to be dark chocolate which is supposed to be a bit more healthy.

To consider he had loads of money and a massive pension he lived a very boring life! No holidays or meals out with his wife. Possessions where limited and he was extremely prudent to say the least.

After a hill walk he didn't feel right so saw a doctor. He learnt that he had cancer .... a year later he was dead having gone through a horrific time, that can not be described in words.

The moral of this story is live your life and stop worrying because your going to die anyway! (usually unexpectedly). I have no doubt my wife's uncle regretted the life he had to some extent and wished he'd spent less time worrying and more time living!

[Bosscat]

I am sure a Smart Meter would be harmful if it dropped off the shelf while you were underneath (looking for that thing you were sure was under there) and it hit you on the head.......

[NL Claret]

The question should be are smart meters actually smart?

They don't save you money and if you change your supplier they cannot send readings to your new supplier.

I'm not too worried about the wifi as the meter is not charged up, only turn it on 4 times a year to provide readings.

[Bertiebeehead]

I have all those symptoms! It must be the smart meter and not the 15 cans of lager a day as the doctor has suggested.

[CleggHall]

Do smart meters need apostrophes?

[Rowls]

This thread just wouldn't be the same without the apostrophe's

[yTib]

i; prefer semi conols.

and speling mistake;s.

[Devils_Advocate]

The question should be are smart meters actually smart?

They don't save you money and if you change your supplier they cannot send readings to your new supplier.

I'm not too worried about the wifi as the meter is not charged up, only turn it on 4 times a year to provide readings.

The meters are working 24/7, storing and sending metering info all the time whether or not you decide to charge up and turn on your IHD or not.

In 5 years time all the metering info will stored on a central hub used by every supplier and so soon it will be used to send reads to your new suppliers

Currently transforming our metering infrastructure is costing us all money in the same way updating our buildings stock (insulation and green credentials) and transport networks does. The best way to minimise this cost is to make it as easy as possible for the suppliers (who the govt have put the onus on with the threat of severe penaltys) to install the new meters.

Long term they will make a massive financial saving to all customers not by people reducing their usage and bills but by reducing all the costs of accessing the meters to read them and the money spent on debt and disputed bills due to inaccurate readings. Just as the cost of installing them is being passed on to everyone so is the cost of debt management and meter read collection process even if you provide all your own readings and pay all your bills

[Quickenthetempo]

All smart meters do is allow the meter man to drive past your house and take your reading instead of knocking on your door and entering the house.

It's designed to stop fraud and save the energy company money.

[Devils_Advocate]

The meter reader doesnt need to drive past your house and collect anything as reads can be collected remotely and sent to the data hub (HES) every 30 seconds

You are correct its designed to stop fraud but also stop debt costs which amount through non fraudilant processes but be aware all these costs ultimately get pushed back on to you and not on the company's profits

[Test User]

some ******* people...

Now i dont want to cause any panic but there is a fair amount of information suggesting the wifi waves used for them are harmful and im only posting this because since we had ours fitted by First Utility about 6 months ago i personally have suffered from some of the listed side effects ?
https://www.emfanalysis.com/smart-meter-health-effects/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No. Electromagnetic waves from your electronics are not harmful. There is not nearly enough energy in a wifi signal to do any harm whatsoever.

[LeadBelly]

I remember similar doubts about microwave ovens 40+ years ago. I was suspicious of them myself (stories about leaking waves cooking people's innards etc).
Been using one now for almost 40 years and still here (although by kidneys feel hot).

[Zesty]

There’s actually a video on Facebook I’ve literally just watched. He bought a electromagnetic radiation meter and put it next to the smart meter and it’s showing that it’s harmful. Don’t know how legit it is mind.

[Test User]

There’s actually a video on Facebook I’ve literally just watched. He bought a electromagnetic radiation meter and put it next to the smart meter and it’s showing that it’s harmful. Don’t know how legit it is mind.

link it

[tim_noone]

On a similar subject:

My wife's uncle used to always hold his mobile phone at arms length with the speakerphone on. I used to find it really annoying having to listen his conversations lol but he did it because he was worried about what the signals would do to his brain! That was the type of person he was. Always worrying about similar things to the one you mention.

He was a very intelligent man .... an ex British Aerospace Engineer who was a millionaire or close to it and had retired at 55.

Also he was incredibly fit. At 65 you'd think he was 50. He ate really healthily, very rarely drank and when he did it would be one glass of red wine. He exercised every day and regularly did hill walking! He almost never ate anything sweet apart from a little chocolate and even then it had to be dark chocolate which is supposed to be a bit more healthy.

To consider he had loads of money and a massive pension he lived a very boring life! No holidays or meals out with his wife. Possessions where limited and he was extremely prudent to say the least.

After a hill walk he didn't feel right so saw a doctor. He learnt that he had cancer .... a year later he was dead having gone through a horrific time, that can not be described in words.

The moral of this story is live your life and stop worrying because your going to die anyway! (usually unexpectedly). I have no doubt my wife's uncle regretted the life he had to some extent and wished he'd spent less time worrying and more time living!

So he was physically fit looked years younger..loved hill walking enjoyed a glass of wine and loved dark chocolate and had a few quid in the Bank....and you assumed he should have lived life and not worried? I see.....

[SmudgetheClaret]

some ******* people...




No. Electromagnetic waves from your electronics are not harmful. There is not nearly enough energy in a wifi signal to do any harm whatsoever.

Oh well that's ok then test user says it's fine go for it fill your smart meter boots...

[WadingInDeeper]

There’s actually a video on Facebook I’ve literally just watched. He bought a electromagnetic radiation meter and put it next to the smart meter and it’s showing that it’s harmful. Don’t know how legit it is mind.

Is that the one where his meter shows nothing until it is right next to the smart meter?

[4:20]

i smell a turtle

[BFC Gold]

If you think the smart meters are bad then just wait until the 5G arrives, you`ll be moaning then.

[Bfcboyo]

Financially yes. You cannot flick the off switch without raising suspicions.

Physically, who knows until 20 years time.

[Test User]

Oh well that's ok then test user says it's fine go for it fill your smart meter boots...

EM radiation isn't harmful at 2.4 GHz to 5 GHz which are the frequencies wifi uses. Unless you focus it on one specific point and apply hundreds of watts of energy into powering it, like in a microwave , only then will it be harmful - so don't stick your head in a microwave oven and you'll be fine. But to my knowledge your smart meter isn't powered by 800w of energy, and neither is your phone. And neither are either focusing their energy. In fact they're doing the opposite.

In the dead of night, and through cloud cover, you receive much more EM radiation from the sun's reflection off the moon than any household electronic used correctly.

[South West Claret.]

The so called Smart Metre is nothing of the sort it has already been exposed as nothing more than a money making scam.

These Companies are payed lots of our money to get gullible people to sign up to them and are bribed to do so by this Government.

Don't believe the Governments propaganda..you really don't need one of these useless gadgets fitted.

[chipbutty]

All smart meters do is allow the meter man to drive past your house and take your reading instead of knocking on your door and entering the house.

It's designed to stop fraud and save the energy company money.

Don`t talk sh*te! It is done through T`imterweb

[BennyD]

Only if you eat a whole one.

[deanothedino]

There’s actually a video on Facebook I’ve literally just watched. He bought a electromagnetic radiation meter and put it next to the smart meter and it’s showing that it’s harmful. Don’t know how legit it is mind.

There are many idiots on the internet and you watched a video that was made by one of them.

[DustyBawls]

Im sure they share information such as when you're normally out of the house (low level usage).

[Devils_Advocate]

Im sure they share information such as when you're normally out of the house (low level usage).

As they track reads every 30 seconds they have the ability to provide the data for this kind of analysis however this information cannot be shared or used without your explicit permission.

You can also stipulate how often you want the comms hub to contact your meter if you do not want data to be collected every 30 seconds. You can choose between half hourly or daily reads instead of every 30 seconds

If someone comes up with a good way to coax people into giving their consent for this info there is a small fortune to be made and it does not have to be an energy supplier as with the home owners permission anyone could be granted access to this data

[FactualFrank]

As they track reads every 30 seconds they have the ability to provide the data for this kind of analysis however this information cannot be shared or used without your explicit permission.

You can also stipulate how often you want the comms hub to contact your meter if you do not want data to be collected every 30 seconds. You can choose between half hourly or daily reads instead of every 30 seconds

If someone comes up with a good way to coax people into giving their consent for this info there is a small fortune to be made and it does not have to be an energy supplier as with the home owners permission anyone could be granted access to this data

I bet burglars would appreciate that info

[Devils_Advocate]

I bet burglars would appreciate that info

Haha and telesales and people like that. When the infrastructure becomes stable and standardised across the industry there is an absolute fortune to be made by the kind of companys who used to ring you up and come and install loft insulation. This time instead of selling carbon to the energy suppliers they will be selling Smart Meter installs

[Bosscat]

Haha and telesales and people like that. When the infrastructure becomes stable and standardised across the industry there is an absolute fortune to be made by the kind of companys who used to ring you up and come and install loft insulation. This time instead of selling carbon to the energy suppliers they will be selling Smart Meter installs

Then we will get the "have you been advised to invest in a smart meter" adverts on TV and phone calls

[Devils_Advocate]

Then we will get the "have you been advised to invest in a smart meter" adverts on TV and phone calls

More like cold calling and door knocking from companies like that guy who was on that "Call Center" fly on the wall documentary. Reckon we are a good few years off getting to this stage and by then with everything else going on in the UK and Europe the mandate driving Smart Meters may just get binned off and no one will give two sh*ts anymore

[ClaretEngineer]

EMF seems to be the latest health scare. You’ll see plenty in America and the odd report over hear about EMF being liked to health problems.

As yet there is not enough data or analysis to prove or disprove the effects of EMF on our health.

At present 3 phase 11kV is seemingly a lot less harmful than single phase 230V, or rather the EMF reading at a substation is far less than that measured in a home.

In short the only detrimental effect on your health of a smart meter, at present, is if someone can steal your personal data.

[houseboy]

All smart meters do is allow the meter man to drive past your house and take your reading instead of knocking on your door and entering the house.

It's designed to stop fraud and save the energy company money.

I've had one for ages.

A: my only ailment is a hernia which I am not convinced is caused by my meter.
B. I don't think it involves anyone driving past my house to take a reading because my phone app provides me with all the info I need 24/7.
C. I have not yet had any visits from MI5, 6 or the CIA questioning my behaviour.
D. my still in the shed remains undiscovered as yet (as does the slightly illicit vegetation).
E. the lump on my wifes shoulder I am assured is not a second head growing.
F. nothing goes bump in the night and the undead do not roam my premises.
G. my bills (although too high in my opinion) have not gone up in any major way since having one.

Would I recomend one? Nah, each to his own.

[AlargeClaret]

I think this ones up there with early 1900’s belief that “ should a motor car exceed 20mph ones head would surely be blown clean off “

[Billy Balfour]

Blimey. I really want a 1900s car.

[Falcon]

npower texted me saying they'd like to install a smart meter at my house on [inconvenient date] and to change the date I'd have to log into the app and do so.

I logged into the app, picked a more convenient date and pressed OK - and it crashed, "an unknown error has occurred".

Two weeks later they emailed me saying they wanted to come and install a smart meter on [same inconvenient date] with a link to the website to change it. I logged in on my computer, picked a more convenient date and pressed OK - and it crashed too!

I gave up to it and took no further action.

I haven't heard from them in 6 weeks or so, so I assume they've forgotten about it.

[tim_noone]

npower texted me saying they'd like to install a smart meter at my house on [inconvenient date] and to change the date I'd have to log into the app and do so.

I logged into the app, picked a more convenient date and pressed OK - and it crashed, "an unknown error has occurred".

Two weeks later they emailed me saying they wanted to come and install a smart meter on [same inconvenient date] with a link to the website to change it. I logged in on my computer, picked a more convenient date and pressed OK - and it crashed too!

I gave up to it and took no further action.

I haven't heard from them in 6 weeks or so, so I assume they've forgotten about it.

I haven't heard anything in 7 years....

[Bosscat]

Smart meters... People say what about changing suppliers?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/sm ... suppliers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is what the Telegraph (a proper paper not the hated Blackburnegraph) has to say