Bolton at it again

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:39 pm

Blatant cheating. As I said higher up Vinnicombe was expecting the ball in his fb position but the number of bodies they piled forward they knew exactly what was going on.
I never blamed McGinley, I always put it down to Bruce Rioch. A pr1ck of the highest order for me.

Sausage · Post by **Sausage** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:55 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:What's the unsporting behaviour law? Is it part of the rules of football or one of these unwritten rules that,of course, don't have to be adhered to simply because they are not written out in the laws of the game?

Law 12 (relevant part highlighted) currently states:

CAUTIONS FOR UNSPORTING BEHAVIOUR

There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour including if a player:

- attempts to deceive the referee e.g. by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled (simulation)
- changes places with the goalkeeper during play or without the referee’s permission
- commits in a reckless manner a direct free kick offence
- commits a foul or handles the ball to interfere with or stop a promising attack
- commits a foul which interferes with or stops a promising attack except where the referee awards a penalty kick for an offence which was an attempt to play the ball
- denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by an offence which was an attempt to play the ball and the referee awards a penalty kick
- handles the ball in an attempt to score a goal (whether or not the attempt is successful) or in an unsuccessful attempt to prevent a goal
- makes unauthorised marks on the field of play
- plays the ball when leaving the field of play after being given permission to leave
- shows a lack of respect for the game
- uses a deliberate trick to pass the ball (including from a free kick) to the goalkeeper with the head, chest, knee etc. to circumvent the Law, whether or not the goalkeeper touches the ball with the hands
- verbally distracts an opponent during play or at a restart

I guess it's open to interpretation what constitutes lack of respect. I must also caveat that I don't know if lack of respect for the game was part of Law 12 at the time of the McGinley incident.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:12 pm

This one is interesting

changes places with the goalkeeper during play or without the referee’s permission

We've all seen outfield players changing positions, but does that mean if we told the ref that Tarky & Hart were switching places it would be allowed?

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:12 pm

Let's hope the first element of that never gets taken seriously; it'll be five-a-side twenty minutes in. The ironic thing is that most throw-ins returned follow players who are nearly dead... and then OK fifteen seconds later.

criminalclaret · Post by **criminalclaret** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:19 pm

https://twitter.com/Bwfc_Ben0797/status ... 19872?s=19" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A chairman who clearly doesn't give a sh!t.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:32 pm

I'm not really on board with all this bitterness about Bolton. When the day comes and we're back in the Championship, I'd rather them and PNE were in it rather than say, Reading or Ipswich.

The McGinley thing was a bit of pantomime stuff at the time but we were going down that season anyway. He was a good player and I can't believe we're suggesting that was a bigger deal than a poor guy's career being ended and suffering a horrendous injury due to a brainless thug playing for our team.

The Coyle saga can only be seen as hilarious now, seeing how it's all ended up. My only beef with Bolton is they're a Horwich team, playing on an industrial estate. Get back to Burnden Park in Bolton and I'd be happy to see us playing them again, just as I would PNE. Blackburn can get ****ed though, I want them liquidated.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:32 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:This is from The Bolton News report, not my memory:

"After a Burnley player had kicked the ball out of play to allow Fabian DeFreitas to be treated following a collision with Burnley keeper Marlon Beresford, the Bolton captain ignored the unwritten “sportsman’s code” by refusing to throw the ball to an opponent – a move that led to the corner from which Coleman capped his Bolton debut with an equaliser seven minutes from time"

Cheating or not, it was not what should have happened.

So it wasnt for spooners injury after all. And they shoupdve thrown it back.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:44 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:So it wasnt for spooners injury after all. And they shoupdve thrown it back.

I knew I had a photographic memory !!

And re the above post I don’t think anybody is saying the thrown in incident is more important than ending a players career - very clearly it isn’t. That would only be the case if it was David Dunn’s or Colin “Pat Butcher” Hendry’s career !!
In all seriousness they are 2 separate incidents in a game and of course Burnley fans are going to hate McGinlay even more than they already did after that game than refer back to the John Gayle foul.
As an aside was that challenge any worse than Kevin Ball’s on Dunn - clearly the outcome was but I doubt very much you can make a worse challenge than Ball did that day. Yet many Burnley fans like to remember that fondly and I cannot recall one of them suggesting he should be kicked out of the club (quite the opposite as some were calling for a statue !!)

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:38 pm

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote:It was horrendous and Burnley were successfully sued for ending Nicky Spooner's career. How anyone can go on about not throwing a ball back when we've just witnessed a piece of thuggery like that is beyond me. Gayle should have been told to pack his bags that day.

John Gayle, a striker who struggled to keep his shots within the stadium, let alone targeted at the goals. And some people think we haven't progressed.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:05 pm

ClaretTony wrote:It was horrendous and Burnley were successfully sued for ending Nicky Spooner's career. How anyone can go on about not throwing a ball back when we've just witnessed a piece of thuggery like that is beyond me. Gayle should have been told to pack his bags that day.

When you look at some of the tackles players such as Roy Keane made I'm surprised he was never sued!

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:22 pm

Did Spooner and Gayle have some history?
Gayle was a big fella but I don’t think he had a reputation for that sort of stuff.
The evilest guys I’ve ever seen were Vinnie Jones, all the time, and that big baby Graeme Souness, whenever he was losing.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:57 pm

Murger wrote:

Didnt have Andy Lochead down as a tweeter!

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:10 pm

Spijed wrote:When you look at some of the tackles players such as Roy Keane made I'm surprised he was never sued!

Could be wrong, but I thought Haaland sued Keane?

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:15 pm

Christian Doidge - 1 goal in 17 matches is disappointing.

lesxdp · Post by **lesxdp** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:16 pm

NRC wrote:McGinley was my next door neighbor at the time.

Were you somewhere near Wigan Road / Hunger Hill at the bottom of Beaumont.
If so I was near you at the time on Oldstead Grove and a certain "Judas also lived nearbye

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:17 pm

lesxdp wrote:Were you somewhere near Wigan Road / Hunger Hill at the bottom of Beaumont.
If so I was near you at the time on Oldstead Grove and a certain "Judas also lived nearbye

Iscariot?

lesxdp · Post by **lesxdp** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:25 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:Iscariot?

No the bigger Coyle variety

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:49 pm

How do people like this pass the fit and proper person test.
Does an examination of their assets actually ever take place. It's mind boggling that someone who obviously puts himself above HIS club, should be allowed to take control.

I've no problem with him not putting money in, but then blindly refusing to live within the means of the club, is just dishonesty of Leeds proportions. IF the EFL take no action the whole lot of them need sacking.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:57 pm

I think before long Bolton will be ground sharing with Wigan or Bury and the Reebok or whatever it's called will be sold and flattened for retail.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:59 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:Could be wrong, but I thought Haaland sued Keane?

From memory I thank haaland was already playing injured.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:02 pm

Shore claret wrote:From memory I thank haaland was already playing injured.

No, he was playing Man Utd. That's why Roy Keane was involved.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:02 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:How do people like this pass the fit and proper person test.

It doesn’t help when the bloke running the Football League has been chief exec at clubs during multiple administrations.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:23 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:No, he was playing Man Utd. That's why Roy Keane was involved.

I remember the game and tackle but fairly sure I was told he was playing with the injury

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:19 am

The chairman made a statement last night that criticised everyone and everything apart from himself. A long statement which concluded with an offer to season ticket holders for the Monday night game with WBA and an offer on home shirts in the club shop. You can imagine the response on Twitter.

There are some amusing tweets about his son, there's a picture of him wearing a Bolton trackie and a carrier bag on how he's managed to get Kathy Lloyd who's ex boyfriends include Jason Orange, Mick Hucknall and Eric Clapton.

This cannot end well for the club unless a buyer is found which might require Anderson to lower the asking price.

Goes to show a business model cannot be built around staying in the PL and relying on the income that comes with it.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:19 am

Norwich now saying their two loanees to Horwich also haven’t been paid.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:34 am

Home to West Brom on Monday 21st Jan in front of the Sky cameras. Bolton have already back tracked on over expensive tickets for West Brom fans and now given them a buy one, get one free offer.

Bolton fans staging a protest at the game as below..

"The name of Bolton Wanderers has been dragged into the mud continuously in recent times.

“This once proud football club has been subject to humiliation with winding up orders and failure to pay the wages of the players and staff.

“The lives of non-footballing staff, as well as those who have moved to Bolton on the pretence of a long-term career, have been messed about due the mismanagement of the club by Ken Anderson.

“Considering all of this, we feel as if there is no other option than to organise a protest before, during and after the game against WBA on Monday, January 21.

“In front of the Sky cameras, we need to voice our discontent. This is our football club and we shouldn’t stand idly by and watch it disappear.”

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:04 am

10 years is a long time in football

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:25 am

Hmmm....surely you can only be dragged into the mud once and not continuously. You could be dragged through the mud continuously, assuming a never ending puddle of mudd.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:58 pm

The ten goal legend demo.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:05 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:Hmmm....surely you can only be dragged into the mud once and not continuously. You could be dragged through the mud continuously, assuming a never ending puddle of mudd.

Everything's so blurry

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:07 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:Hmmm....surely you can only be dragged into the mud once and not continuously. You could be dragged through the mud continuously, assuming a never ending puddle of mudd.

They get dragged into the mud, climb out of it when a different football story makes the news then get dragged into the mud again. Repeat a number of times and you are being continuously dragged into the mud.

Dougall · Post by **Dougall** » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:21 pm

ContinuALLY

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:40 pm

Official

Anderson has completely lost the plot.

https://twitter.com/OfficialBWFC/status ... 6359720960" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

clive40golf · Post by **clive40golf** » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:58 pm

Dougall wrote:ContinuALLY

Thanks, my recap of the day. It’s always good to recap:-

In formal contexts, continually should be used to mean “very often; at regular or frequent intervals,” and continuously to mean “unceasingly; constantly; without interruption.”

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:05 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Official

Anderson has completely lost the plot.

https://twitter.com/OfficialBWFC/status ... 6359720960" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He’s not quite hit the audience with the ‘I know what I’m doing ‘ vibe there has he.

Invoking Churchill is my favourite part

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:04 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Official

Anderson has completely lost the plot.

https://twitter.com/OfficialBWFC/status ... 6359720960" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Enjoyed that. Does he realise it’s a football club? Their highs are concerts and rugby league.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:26 pm

Spijed wrote:When you look at some of the tackles players such as Roy Keane made I'm surprised he was never sued!

He was, by Haaland wasnt he?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:52 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Official

Anderson has completely lost the plot.

https://twitter.com/OfficialBWFC/status ... 6359720960" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How can you lose something you've never had?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:03 am

Sky sports putting their foot in it yesterday.
Using quotes from a Ken Anderson parody account claiming he’d released a batch of T-Shirts saying ‘I love meat’ with the profits going towards paying the wages of the Forest Green player.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:35 am

To be honest, the Forest Green chairman hasn't helped himself with the NO KEN DO t-shirts and donating profits of them to Bolton supporters to help them in ousting Anderson.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:27 am

It’s all gone very petty.
To be honest when I read the story on Sky Sports i actually thought that sounds like something Anderson would do.

Cheshireclaret · Post by **Cheshireclaret** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:41 am

ClaretTony wrote:To be honest, the Forest Green chairman hasn't helped himself with the NO KEN DO t-shirts and donating profits of them to Bolton supporters to help them in ousting Anderson.

That's bizarre in the extreme - I have never heard anything like that in my life!

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:25 pm

Not sure whether to post it on this thread or the good jokes thread.

John McGinlay has been banned from Bolton's stadium.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17 ... -comments/

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:34 pm

MrTopTier wrote:Not sure whether to post it on this thread or the good jokes thread.

John McGinlay has been banned from Bolton's stadium.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17 ... -comments/

They wouldn't have done that 10 years ago.

Sad times in Horwich

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:39 pm

Buxton. Don't you mean

Remember the old saying " You reap what you sow"

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:41 pm

'second ever greatest player in Wanderers' history'

Tells us more about the demographic who voted. Just wondering where our former manager is in that list?

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:52 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:'second ever greatest player in Wanderers' history'

Tells us more about the demographic who voted. Just wondering where our former manager is in that list?

He'd be number one, obviously, won't he?

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:40 pm

:

gawthorpe_view wrote:He'd be number one, obviously, won't he?

Anecdotal evidence for the number one spot. My son and daughter never saw Jimmy Mc play but I'm sure they would consider him as a potential number one. I bloody hope so,anyway.