Stoke looking for a new manager

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:55 am

Rowett gone

Moyes in?

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:17 am

The same Gary Rowett that some people want instead of Sean Dyche?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:19 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:The same Gary Rowett that some people want instead of Sean Dyche?

No. Gary Rowett of Rowett and Sons Builder's Merchants in Guildford.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:29 am

Rowett was not too long ago one of the up and coming managers being linked with bigger jobs - not sure where he goes now. He's been backed at Stoke with signings and were expected to be right up there this season. If someone can get them moving in the right direction though they could still make the play offs.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:32 am

Dyche to stoke. A match made in heaven

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:36 am

Probably another knee jerk reaction because of no immediate success, Rowett was indeed on his way up and can't see why he still won't be with a more patient club then Stoke.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:39 am

Isn't Mark Hughes available?

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:50 am

Sacked after 29 games? I doubt there'd have been too many gutted on here if we'd sacked Dyche after 29 games. He'd hardly set the place alight.

His record suggests he knows what he's doing, but he does seem a bit keen to be looking for the next job all the time.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:07 am

I thought Stoke would bounce straight back. They didn't lose many players, and kept a lot of their better ones. The infighting of last season went with Hughes. Really underperformed this season.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:14 am

South West Claret. wrote:Probably another knee jerk reaction because of no immediate success, Rowett was indeed on his way up and can't see why he still won't be with a more patient club then Stoke.

Stoke have hardly been an impatient club in terms of managers. Pulis had a long stay, Hughes likewise.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:21 am

Inherited a bit of a mess at Stoke I thought. Went down with an ageing squad who will all have been financially set up for life probably. It's a route we need to be very careful not to go down, given Dyche's preference for signing experience.

WestMidsClaret · Post by **WestMidsClaret** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:24 am

Cant be short of a few quid can Rowett!!!

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:25 am

If I was Dyche, and I’m not, I’d be looking very hard at this job role.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:28 am

Why?

I thought Rowett might be struggling when he signed Tom Ince.

Clearly the squad is nowhere near good enough to mount a promotion challenge

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:35 am

I don’t know about that, it’s a pragmatic squad that was being asked to play outside their limitations imo. Dyche is a better fit.

Guaranteed money, great infrastructure, etc.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:37 am

Yeah I get that, but he's got to get them back up.

Thats not easy!

I can see why they might want him but not so sure why he'd want to go there.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:43 am

Rowett signings at Stoke

Etebo Oghenekaro (Feirense) - £6.4m
Adam Federici (Bournemouth)
James McClean (West Brom) - £5m
Tom Ince (Huddersfield) - £10m
Sam Clucas (Swansea) - £8m
Benik Afobe (Wolves) - £12m
Ryan Wood (Brentford)

can't find fees for two of them

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:53 am

You’d look at those signings and you’d say, yep I could do a job there. Add to those Butland, Shawcross, Allen and Crouch and I think I could get them out of the championship!

WestMidsClaret · Post by **WestMidsClaret** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:55 am

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:You’d look at those signings and you’d say, yep I could do a job there. Add to those Butland, Shawcross, Allen and Crouch and I think I could get them out of the championship!

Get applying then

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:57 am

Sadly it would disrupt my tranquility, but I’ll have a bash on Football Manager today and get back to you!

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:58 am

Could do a swap Rowett and McLean for Dyche. I think that would benefit all parties as Rowett I think will flourish in the Premier League and Dyche is destined for the Championship

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:01 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Could do a swap Rowett and McLean for Dyche. I think that would benefit all parties as Rowett I think will flourish in the Premier League and Dyche is destined for the Championship

hmmm...

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:03 pm

Dyche isn’t a championship manager

He’s the next iteration of Big Sam, Pulis eat al. He’s a pragmatic manager who sadly isn’t getting a shot at carving a better role in the business.

He’s got a decision to make soonish, does he accept his lot and be known as above or does he take a middling job at say Everton, Leicester (my bet) and risk his reputation with the reward of carving out a better image.

Either way Inhope Dyche stays at Burnley for as long as we can keep him.

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:04 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Rowett signings at Stoke

Etebo Oghenekaro (Feirense) - £6.4m
Adam Federici (Bournemouth)
James McClean (West Brom) - £5m
Tom Ince (Huddersfield) - £10m
Sam Clucas (Swansea) - £8m
Benik Afobe (Wolves) - £12m
Ryan Wood (Brentford)

can't find fees for two of them

Wood was 7 million i think i read at the weekend

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:04 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Could do a swap Rowett and McLean for Dyche. I think that would benefit all parties as Rowett I think will flourish in the Premier League and Dyche is destined for the Championship

And what would Rowett do with this squad? This is Burnley Not Barcelona!

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:10 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:Dyche isn’t a championship manager

He’s the next iteration of Big Sam, Pulis eat al. He’s a pragmatic manager who sadly isn’t getting a shot at carving a better role in the business.

He’s got a decision to make soonish, does he accept his lot and be known as above or does he take a middling job at say Everton, Leicester (my bet) and risk his reputation with the reward of carving out a better image.

Either way Inhope Dyche stays at Burnley for as long as we can keep him.

No team in the premier league will ever come in for Dyche - and thats a fact

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:17 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:No team in the premier league will ever come in for Dyche - and thats a fact

Well it’s not, because unless you’re a time traveller you can’t possibly know that. It’s like saying your wife will never achieve an orgasm Boysie31 we can make an educated guess, we could place a knowledgeable bet, but we’d never know for certain.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:21 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:And what would Rowett do with this squad? This is Burnley Not Barcelona!

Invigorate it

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:24 pm

Can we stop all this and just keep Dyche please

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:29 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Rowett signings at Stoke

Etebo Oghenekaro (Feirense) - £6.4m
Adam Federici (Bournemouth)
James McClean (West Brom) - £5m
Tom Ince (Huddersfield) - £10m
Sam Clucas (Swansea) - £8m
Benik Afobe (Wolves) - £12m
Ryan Wood (Brentford)

can't find fees for two of them

I have to say, on paper, I would be very happy with McClean, Ince, Clucas, Afobe and Wood in the Championship - especially when complimented already by a fairly strong squad with the likes of Allen. Strange how badly they have done.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:29 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:No team in the premier league will ever come in for Dyche - and thats a fact

If other British managers such as Big Sam, Mark Hughes, David Moyes etc. can then why not?

What more have they achieved?

Even Eddie Howe?

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:38 pm

Spijed wrote:If other British managers such as Big Sam, Mark Hughes, David Moyes etc. can then why not?

What more have they achieved?

Even Eddie Howe?

Because they were seen as getting in to help stave of relegation - Dyche will never be that type of manager

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:50 pm

WestMidsClaret wrote:Cant be short of a few quid can Rowett!!!

Must have same manager as Mourinho

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:00 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:Because they were seen as getting in to help stave of relegation - Dyche will never be that type of manager

Man Utd appointed Moyes to stave off relegation?

Joe14 · Post by **Joe14** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:17 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:If I was Dyche, and I’m not, I’d be looking very hard at this job role.

Praise the Lord you’re not Dyche.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:23 pm

Odds on favourite for Stoke job is an old Supremes song

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timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:52 pm

jedi_master wrote:I have to say, on paper, I would be very happy with McClean, Ince, Clucas, Afobe and Wood in the Championship - especially when complimented already by a fairly strong squad with the likes of Allen. Strange how badly they have done.

It's not that strange.

Keeper ok

Back four look good on paper, but that's because you are looking at names and think that they are what they were, say, three years ago. Perm any combination of two from Shawcross, Indi and Williams and you have got the same problem - they aren't very quick. You can probably say the same about the left back, and none of the three right backs is reliable, one because he's inexperienced (Edwards), one has completely lost his way, although he looked one of their better players last year (Bauer), and the other one just isn't good enough, although seems to have been the manager's first choice recently.

There is no real holding midfield player

Woods and Clucas have been good signings, without which they'd be in or around relegation, as Allen had been expected to do too much and as a result wasn't really doing anything well. Fletcher and McLean haven't got what it takes for differing reasons. Etebo I'm not sure about. He flatters to deceive, and you can't count on him to do anything other than get a card.

Up front, Crouch is too old to start, but still a threat off the bench. Berahino is all you've read about, but actually has knuckled down a bit. Afobe - 12 million? If it was 6 million then I guess he'd be decent value.

Then you've got a few others that are also just past their sell by date eg. Adam and a few that are just cr4ppy and out on loan like the big waste of money signing Wimmer.

Mark Hughes was a disaster, and they are still paying for it. I'd say that in signing Clucas and Woods in particular, they are going in the right direction, but if you saw their first game, Leeds away, you'd know that what they started with was a mix of poor signings and good players that were just a bit past their sell by date.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:54 pm

Moyes appears to be bookies' favourite but it'll be tough for anybody hoping to get them in a play-off spot this season.
8 points behind Derby & Middlesbrough; 11 behind WBA, 12 behind Blades. Not to mention the 7 teams they have to scramble over before getting as far as the four play-off spots.
Too late now for this season surely.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:59 pm

LeadBelly wrote:Moyes appears to be bookies' favourite

Nathan Jones odds on with Sky Bet

maccclaret · Post by **maccclaret** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:02 pm

Not seen anything of him for a while

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:03 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Nathan Jones odds on with Sky Bet

Nah, he's been gone too long..

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:06 pm

The playoffs are doable if they get the 'new manager bounce' and carry on with it throughout the next 20 games. Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part - I have them down for promotion in my 2018/19 acca.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:16 pm

Stoke mate of mine says the fans turned on him due to his arrogance, poor brand of football and refusal to play Bojan.

This coupled with the obvious lack of results has seen him driven out.

Be surprised to see him at another ‘big’ Championship club again anytime soon.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:26 pm

RVclaret wrote:Stoke mate of mine says the fans turned on him due to his arrogance, poor brand of football and refusal to play Bojan.

This coupled with the obvious lack of results has seen him driven out.

Be surprised to see him at another ‘big’ Championship club again anytime soon.

The arrogance bit I can fully understand

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:38 pm

All managers are arrogant me thinks..

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:52 pm

Any manager taking on a relegated club is taking a risk. There are no guarantees. With all the signings listed above he then has to find a blend and sort out the cliques.
As with Pochettino Rowett has never won a thing. It doesn't make you a bad manager and I’m sure he’ll be in work soon.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:29 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:You’d look at those signings and you’d say, yep I could do a job there. Add to those Butland, Shawcross, Allen and Crouch and I think I could get them out of the championship!

Are the likes of Shawcross and Crouch going to be that desperate to get back to the Prem? They've had their best days and made their money. I fear if we go down under Dyche we'll be in the same boat, stuck with an ageing squad whose drive and hunger have gone.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:48 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:Well it’s not, because unless you’re a time traveller you can’t possibly know that. It’s like saying your wife will never achieve an orgasm Boysie31 we can make an educated guess, we could place a knowledgeable bet, but we’d never know for certain.

Are we talking at all or just with him as that may have a bearing on the result.

lifelongclaret · Post by **lifelongclaret** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:08 pm

Another “ big “ club who think they deserve to be in the premiership, Alan Nixon tweeted this last night” the job was too big for Gary Rowett”...
imagine big Sam or Moyes, absolutely shocking, it’s funny since Mark Hughes went, it’s been a revolving door... it’s pretty funny,

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:04 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Are the likes of Shawcross and Crouch going to be that desperate to get back to the Prem? They've had their best days and made their money. I fear if we go down under Dyche we'll be in the same boat, stuck with an ageing squad whose drive and hunger have gone.

Exactly the hunger isn't there from the Stoke players,on paper they should be in the play-off berths at least.

It's not easy to get out of the Championship just ask Villa fans they are in their 3rd successive Championship campaign,and are by no means certain to be promoted this time either.