Defour to play RM

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:10 pm

Given that it looks like Gudmundsson has a slight knock.

Will Dyche push defour to RM until either Gudmundsson or Brady are playing again.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:13 pm

JBG has had a dreadful season for knocks. What makes it worse are the number of games he takes to get backup to speed.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:19 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:Given that it looks like Gudmundsson has a slight knock

Is this going off the Huddersfield game, or has there been a more recent update/rumour?

Ooogeorgeorgeoghani · Post by **Ooogeorgeorgeoghani** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:20 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Is this going off the Huddersfield game, or has there been a more recent update/rumour?

Dyche just confirmed he is injured, my first thought was ward back in and ct to winger , McNeal over to the right

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:21 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Is this going off the Huddersfield game, or has there been a more recent update/rumour?

SD's press conference just now...

JBG got a few kicks from Barnsley's full back but SD says it's a "niggly thigh".

Hendrick could probably do a job narrow on the right....but it's less than ideal.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:24 pm

He'll be a big loss for us. Typical in a game we could really do with winning, as him missing could well be the difference.

I wouldn't move McNeil over to the right. I guess it'll be Defour or Hendrick, but yeah far from ideal.

Ooogeorgeorgeoghani · Post by **Ooogeorgeorgeoghani** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:25 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:SD's press conference just now...

JBG got a few kicks from Barnsley's full back but SD says it's a "niggly thigh".

Hendrick could probably do a job narrow on the right....but it's less than ideal.

Jgb was out for weeks after the Lincoln fa cup defeat, silly to risk him imo especially before the Fulham game when we have Brady and Lennon already out

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:29 pm

Going into a crunch game with possibly only one winger is not ideal is it.
Still, we should be patient etc etc

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:35 pm

We've been a bit unlucky really. I mean we started the season with 6 strikers and 5 keepers on the books so you'd have thought we'd be fine with 3 wingers especially as they aren't the kind of players to pick up knocks and injurys

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:35 pm

Between Defour and Hendrick for wide right, I would choose Hendrick (has more mobility/pace, though not a lot)

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:39 pm

I doubt Defour is good enough now (due to age / injury history) for anything other than the quarter-back role (and to be honest when he played that there wasn't proof that it was a success). He hasn't the pace or strength to do either of the two jobs which SD demands our wide men do (which are a: covering the full-back and b: making sure the full-back is covered)

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:40 pm

I could see us going 3-5-2 against Fulham and use our full backs for the width in midfield - not too dissimilar to the 5-3-2/5-4-1 experiments of recent weeks... But thats why I'm no Footy manager...

lol

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:40 pm

I'm just hoping like hell JBG is a lot fitter than SD is making out

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:47 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:We've been a bit unlucky really. I mean we started the season with 6 strikers and 5 keepers on the books so you'd have thought we'd be fine with 3 wingers especially as they aren't the kind of players to pick up knocks and injurys

We started the season with 2 fit wingers, just saying.

Then it went to 1, back to 2, not sure we've have had all 3 wingers fit and up to speed for well over a year now, but it wouldn't be Burnley if we didn't neglect at least 1 area of the team whilst crossing our fingers for no injuries

In Mr Dyches time here we've had it with

Strikers
CB
CM
Full Back
Wide men/wingers

Roll on end of Jan, we might actually address the problem rather than patching it up with "do a jobs"

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:48 pm

This makes Brady's daft tackle look more costly.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:49 pm

A niggle doesn't sound like he's out to me.

We'll see I guess, would be a miss, though I feel he hasn't looked at his best in this good run, not that he's been poor by any stretch but not 'peak'.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:55 pm

We have been struggling for creativity all season and are down to the bare bones now going into one of the most important part of the season as we look like we are gaining a bit of form
We need to act in this window this seems to happen every season with players out injured and no sufficient cover

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:57 pm

MACCA wrote:We started the season with 2 fit wingers, just saying.

Then it went to 1, back to 2, not sure we've have had all 3 wingers fit and up to speed for well over a year now, but it wouldn't be Burnley if we didn't neglect at least 1 area of the team whilst crossing our fingers for no injuries

In Mr Dyches time here we've had it with

Strikers
CB
CM
Full Back
Wide men/wingers

Roll on end of Jan, we might actually address the problem rather than patching it up with "do a jobs"

I know I was talking about who we had at the club not even taking into consideration the situation with Brady and Defour. For me last January was as bad as the summer as we had a real opportunity to bring some players in who didn't need to go straight into the first team and could be ready to hit the ground running this season. Instead we spent a lot of summer plugging gaps rather than advancing our squad

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:59 pm

Have to say having Brady, Lennon, JBG and McNeil to play two positions, plus Defour and Hendrick who can play there does not sound like we haven't go the position covered if we are being honest.

Completely forgot about Brady, but yeah that daft sending off is looking a bit worse now.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:00 pm

SD hand might be forced into a 352 type formation.
Its a big game, where we cannot afford to get beat, can we really heap more pressure on McNeil to preform again and another to play out of position?

IF we are down to the bare bones, a point might be a good result.
Fulham will ( or should) be bang up for this and targeting 3 points.

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:03 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Going into a crunch game with possibly only one winger is not ideal is it.
Still, we should be patient etc etc

RE: Todays Burnley Express

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Dyche continues to look for a breakthrough in terms of bringing players in during the window, but accepts he may have to be patient: “There’s been no great progress, we’ve been talking about names, whether they will fit us and fit the finances, but it’s still tough.”

After the last window I was hoping we would address and conclude all the primary "who fits us and who can we afford" debates before the window actually opened, along with a number of flexible contingencies. You know, put a strategic plan in place so we could hit the ground running, but then I can be far to impetuous at times. Patience is a virtue, roll on the last week of the window.

I sincerely hope Sean is playing with the press in that interview and we are well beyond the "pull a name out of a hat and discuss it" stage. If we aren't then our first signings should be Pulya Fingaout and Getta Fekin Moveon.

Chip Harrison · Post by **Chip Harrison** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:07 pm

Ooogeorgeorgeoghani wrote:Dyche just confirmed he is injured, my first thought was ward back in and ct to winger , McNeal over to the right

Up the Clarets Message board gold. One player possibly injured and we make 3 changes, 2 of them playing them out of position!

Ooogeorgeorgeoghani · Post by **Ooogeorgeorgeoghani** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:10 pm

jedi_master wrote:A niggle doesn't sound like he's out to me.

We'll see I guess, would be a miss, though I feel he hasn't looked at his best in this good run, not that he's been poor by any stretch but not 'peak'.

A niggle in dyches terminology means 3 to 4 weeks

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:11 pm

Bardsley right back, Lowton winger. On a good day Lowton plays some great passes and crosses - just need to him have one of those oood days !

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:12 pm

Is a "niggle" longer than "touch and go" ?

Ooogeorgeorgeoghani · Post by **Ooogeorgeorgeoghani** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:15 pm

Chip Harrison wrote:Up the Clarets Message board gold. One player possibly injured and we make 3 changes, 2 of them playing them out of position!

Not really ct has already played there for us and dyche regularly gets his wingers to swap wings anyway , needs must I just don't want to see us going into such an Important game without wingers that have made the difference in the last two league games

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:17 pm

Hendrick would be fine playing there. Pretty sure he's played there for Ireland and a lot of the time our wide players play that narrow they are almost playing centre mid anyway. I get the feeling Defour has lost interest and is just going through the motions with us now.

Marney&Mee · Post by **Marney&Mee** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:24 pm

Ooogeorgeorgeoghani wrote:Not really ct has already played there for us and dyche regularly gets his wingers to swap wings anyway , needs must I just don't want to see us going into such an Important game without wingers that have made the difference in the last two league games

not sure if Claret Tony will do a job for us out wide. Tho he is probably quicker than Ward...

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:28 pm

This is what people like me have been concerned about since last august. This is how sod's law works. You can't rely on jbg to be fit. Same for brady and defour. Hrnce cover waa always going to be needed.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:47 pm

Firstly, hopefully JBG makes it. Big player for us.

If he doesn't, then we have to crack on and make the best of it. Slot Hendrick in on the right to start with and move forwards. We've used both him and Defour out there at different times, but to my mind it comes much more naturally to Hendrick and he's got the athleticism to get up and down the line, especially on a day when whichever right back plays is unlikely to be 100%. If anything, it makes it more important that one of those two is back in a position to play - if one of them does, then particularly if we use Westwood as a crossing option as we have successfully in recent weeks, you'd like to think we can get by.

McNeil clearly is more comfortable on the left side, so that's where he should stay.

I do though think we need to place the recruitment debate in context. If we are now saying that McNeil is a fully fledged member of the first team squad - I suspect it is a bit early for that, but there aren't many who would leave him out any time soon, and there weren't too many keen on the idea of him going out on loan - then we've got 4 wide players. Dyche would like one more, but even allowing for that it is a bit unlucky that we've got 3 out at the same time (if indeed we have) - at the beginning of the season, we were obviously taking a risk because Brady was coming back to fitness so couldn't really be counted, but that doesn't really apply currently (particularly as the reason he's unavailable is a daft and unnecessary suspension). These crises affect all teams sometimes and you've got to make the best of it. Hendrick has played that role in an international finals tournament, and as a fifth choice option in that role he's not exactly shabby - and nor is having Defour 6th choice.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:01 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:We've been a bit unlucky really. I mean we started the season with 6 strikers and 5 keepers on the books so you'd have thought we'd be fine with 3 wingers especially as they aren't the kind of players to pick up knocks and injurys

Which of the four do you hold in such contempt that you don't think they exist?

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:02 pm

I'd play Hendrick as a false winger of sorts (just tucked inside) and ask lowton to exploit that gap. Westwood and cork could cover for lowton when he is forward. It's ridiculous we are even talking about this really after having from last January to address all the issues but it is Burnley

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:03 pm

For those that say JBG is always injured.

He missed just 3 games last season, and 4 this.

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:06 pm

“There’s been no great progress, we’ve been talking about names, whether they will fit us and fit the finances, but it’s still tough.”

FFS.

LTUK89 · Post by **LTUK89** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:06 pm

Ooogeorgeorgeoghani wrote:Not really ct has already played there for us and dyche regularly gets his wingers to swap wings anyway , needs must I just don't want to see us going into such an Important game without wingers that have made the difference in the last two league games

You’ve gone mad if you want to see CT playing left wing in a premier league fixture.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:15 pm

Clickbait

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:16 pm

LTUK89 wrote:You’ve gone mad if you want to see CT playing left wing in a premier league fixture.

I'm OK with that. He did mean Claret Tony, didn't he?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:25 pm

dsr wrote:Which of the four do you hold in such contempt that you don't think they exist?

McNeil. Thankgod he has come good this season but in the summer no one was talking about him as a viable first team player and early on in the season Dyche was playing with either 3 strikers or 3 defenders and just 1 midfield sub and no wingers as subs rather than play McNeil. Lets face it McNeil was looking like going to Cheltenham on loan before the West Ham game

However if you want to include all the kids like Dunne, McNeil, Agyei, Koiki, Mitchell as potential first 11 starters on the hope that one of them comes good rather than getting proper 1st team players then go for it but thankfully for all our weaknesses in the transfer windows over the past 18 months we haven't stooped that low

Gerry Hattrick · Post by **Gerry Hattrick** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:27 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:Bardsley right back, Lowton winger. On a good day Lowton plays some great passes and crosses - just need to him have one of those oood days !

Struck me as a good thing to do for a while. Can't understand why we haven't.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:29 pm

McNeil has certainly felt like a new signing, and I don't think we'd have done so well against West Ham and Huddersfield without him. He could be worth 2-3 points already.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:32 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:McNeil. Thankgod he has come good this season but in the summer no one was talking about him as a viable first team player and early on in the season Dyche was playing with either 3 strikers or 3 defenders and just 1 midfield sub and no wingers as subs rather than play McNeil. Lets face it McNeil was looking like going to Cheltenham on loan before the West Ham game

However if you want to include all the kids like Dunne, McNeil, Agyei, Koiki, Mitchell as potential first 11 starters on the hope that one of them comes good rather than getting proper 1st team players then go for it but thankfully for all our weaknesses in the transfer windows over the past 18 months we haven't stooped that low

To be fair, McNeil started against Olympiakos and Man U. He had an injury in the autumn and then featured in the first team against West Ham not that long after getting fit again. I don't think anyone knows for sure whether McNeil was going out on loan before West Ham, although had it not gone so well for him it would have been the obvious next step. Judging whether kids are really ready is tough.

But in any event, this is irrelevant. McNeil is in the team, he is doing well, he's justified the faith Dyche clearly has in him. So he's part of the first team squad in a way you cannot disregard, so to compare him to lads who haven't actually made a first team appearance for us yet is more than a bit daft.

Put it this way, i'd be very surprised if the wide player we bring in this month is someone who duplicates the sorts of attributes that McNeil brings to the team. I suspect it will be more someone in the mould of either Lennon (who we need to look to replace medium term anyway) or an overdue replacement for Arfield in the utility role.

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:36 pm

Back-to-back league wins with the same team so if JBG is injured then we have to deal with it by causing as little disruption as possible - Hendrick to play there and don't change anything else.

Assuming at least one of Lowton or Bardsley will be OK - put someone athletic and hard-working who understands the position in front of them to give them as much defensive protection as possible.

As has been said if selected Hendrick likely to play narrow which should allow space for Lowton or Bardsley to overlap.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:41 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:McNeil. Thankgod he has come good this season but in the summer no one was talking about him as a viable first team player and early on in the season Dyche was playing with either 3 strikers or 3 defenders and just 1 midfield sub and no wingers as subs rather than play McNeil. Lets face it McNeil was looking like going to Cheltenham on loan before the West Ham game

However if you want to include all the kids like Dunne, McNeil, Agyei, Koiki, Mitchell as potential first 11 starters on the hope that one of them comes good rather than getting proper 1st team players then go for it but thankfully for all our weaknesses in the transfer windows over the past 18 months we haven't stooped that low

So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter if Dyche felt that we had four wingers, you thought we only had three and that's what matters?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:42 pm

claretspice wrote:To be fair, McNeil started against Olympiakos and Man U. He had an injury in the autumn and then featured in the first team against West Ham not that long after getting fit again. I don't think anyone knows for sure whether McNeil was going out on loan before West Ham, although had it not gone so well for him it would have been the obvious next step. Judging whether kids are really ready is tough.

But in any event, this is irrelevant. McNeil is in the team, he is doing well, he's justified the faith Dyche clearly has in him. So he's part of the first team squad in a way you cannot disregard, so to compare him to lads who haven't actually made a first team appearance for us yet is more than a bit daft.

Put it this way, i'd be very surprised if the wide player we bring in this month is someone who duplicates the sorts of attributes that McNeil brings to the team. I suspect it will be more someone in the mould of either Lennon (who we need to look to replace medium term anyway) or an overdue replacement for Arfield in the utility role.

I wasn't talking about what we need today, I was talking about what we needed in the summer so hindsight is a wonderful thing. In all other positions we have at least two for each position before we need to call on one of the promising U23s. Taylor and Ward left back with Koiki 3rd choice, 4 strikers for two positions with Agyei as back up, 4 CBs for two positions with Dunne to come plus 2 right backs, 4 CMs and plenty of keepers. However we started the season with 3 wingers of whom one was injured so in my opinion it was ridiculous we did not strengthen this position. As I said McNeil played against Utd when we were down to our bare bones and as soon as we had 16 outfield players he got dropped out of the match day squad despite having no wingers on the bench. Our matchday squad when Brady and Defour was out would consist of all 4 strikers 7 defenders and only 5 midfielders(sometimes we were even starting with all 5 midfielders). This showed that Dyche considered McNeil as part of the U23 squad who could come in when short of numbers

Marney&Mee · Post by **Marney&Mee** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:46 pm

thatdberight wrote:I'm OK with that. He did mean Claret Tony, didn't he?

No way he's Dyche fit yet...

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:46 pm

dsr wrote:So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter if Dyche felt that we had four wingers, you thought we only had three and that's what matters?

Nope I'm saying I don't believe Dyche felt we had 4 wingers and the way his has used McNeil prior to West Ham as a player to throw in when we were either extremely short or resting players as part of out white flag waving ascent on Europe.

Likewise what your saying is it doesn't matter if Dyche felt we had three wingers, you thought we had four and that's all that matters

We cant know what Dyche thought but the evidence around how Dyche used McNeil in his squads prior to West Ham point to him being no more than an U23 squad member pushing to get into squads when we were struggling with our threadbare squad

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:50 pm

Praying its Hendrick tbh, at least he'll have the legs to get up and down

IWOODLOVETT · Post by **IWOODLOVETT** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:01 pm

Hendrick scored our first at Fulham and deserves a run in the side. He's been decent when played wide right for ROI and we need someone to snuff out the wing service to Mitrovic who bullied our defence and goalkeeper last time - scoring twice.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:06 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Nope I'm saying I don't believe Dyche felt we had 4 wingers and the way his has used McNeil prior to West Ham as a player to throw in when we were either extremely short or resting players as part of out white flag waving ascent on Europe.

Likewise what your saying is it doesn't matter if Dyche felt we had three wingers, you thought we had four and that's all that matters

We cant know what Dyche thought but the evidence around how Dyche used McNeil in his squads prior to West Ham point to him being no more than an U23 squad member pushing to get into squads when we were struggling with our threadbare squad

What I'm saying is that when you count how many wingers we've got, McNeil is one of them.

Your second sentence is meaningless. What I said is nothing like your imaginings.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:16 pm

Spijed wrote:For those that say JBG is always injured.

He missed just 3 games last season, and 4 this.

Never seems to go too long without picking up some sort of injury, even if they are only minor ones