Wagner goes

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:54 pm

Strange by Huddersfield it has to be said

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:54 pm

Strange and out of order. He's done so well for them. Took them further than they should be.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:55 pm

hahaha well that's them even further in the crap now then surely?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:56 pm

Goobs wrote:hahaha well that's them even further in the crap now then surely?

I guess it depends on finance. He's done so well for them and never deserved the sack, but if they risk millions on a new manager the risk could keep them up. I'm not laughing until I know the replacement!

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:57 pm

Awful decision.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:59 pm

HE should have quit in summer.

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:59 pm

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:00 pm

This could be BFS first PL relegation.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:00 pm

Makes you think back to 2014/15 when we were relegated and our board stuck by Sean.
A Championship demolishing season followed by 3 seasons and counting in the Premier League.

Boards of directors pull the plug far to easily these in these days of "instant glory or else"

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:00 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:HE should have quit in summer.

Why?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:01 pm

Not been sacked

From Dean Hoyle: "I had no intention of sacking David this season. Subsequently David – being the great man he is – came to us and made it clear that he needs a break from the rigours of football management."

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:02 pm

Bosscat wrote:Makes you think back to 2014/15 when we were relegated and our board stuck by Sean.
A Championship demolishing season followed by 3 seasons and counting in the Premier League.

Boards of directors pull the plug far to easily these in these days of "instant glory or else"

I think if a manager takes a club up, they should survive taking them back down. Football has room for ethics. That's my take on it.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:03 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Not been sacked

From Dean Hoyle: "I had no intention of sacking David this season. Subsequently David – being the great man he is – came to us and made it clear that he needs a break from the rigours of football management."

And we all know that means the club wanted to get rid, so they put it across in a nicer way that would go better on his CV.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:03 pm

Bad news,teams seem to perform better when they have parted with their manager..

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:04 pm

https://twitter.com/htafcdotcom/status/ ... 5872109569" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He needed a break. God knows who they will get though with five months left to get relegated though

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:05 pm

If HTFC said he wants to walk, that's probably true. Bottling it mid-season looks worse on his CV than having performed the impossible twice but failed on the hat-trick.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:05 pm

Think it's too late for them anyway. Not sure who will want that job tbh.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:07 pm

He seems to me like a decent and fair bloke. I think they have been unlucky to have so few points this season as they have played well a few times from what I have seen but not been able to score. Losing their best player to injury was a big blow.
If Wagner has stood down himself that’s a shame for Huddersfield as to get them up and keep them there with the little money they spent was a massive achievement

theroyaldyche · Post by **theroyaldyche** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:09 pm

Not exactly a world beater is he. Nowhere nr dyche level

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:10 pm

Didn't you want Dyche sacked about four games ago?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:10 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:https://twitter.com/htafcdotcom/status/ ... 5872109569
He needed a break. God knows who they will get though with five months left to get relegated though

Reading the tweet that shouts out to me as "We wanted to let him go, and came to an agreement".

They saw the 8 point gap and the Jan transfer window and wanted to replace him.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:12 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Not been sacked

From Dean Hoyle: "I had no intention of sacking David this season. Subsequently David – being the great man he is – came to us and made it clear that he needs a break from the rigours of football management."

Fair enough.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:12 pm

piston broke wrote:This could be BFS first PL relegation.

Not a chance.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:13 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Why?

His stock was high. And he had taken Huddersfield as far as he is likely to. Second season syndrome too etc.

Course he could have gone down and done a Dyche. But there are more examples where this doesnt happen than does.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:14 pm

There's cash to spend at Huddersfield this January so he's probably not a big enough name to attract the right players.

Same as Dyche struggles, but that's down to finance as well.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:14 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Not been sacked

From Dean Hoyle: "I had no intention of sacking David this season. Subsequently David – being the great man he is – came to us and made it clear that he needs a break from the rigours of football management."

The next bit sounds as if the timing may not have been entirely mutual though (or maybe just my reading of it)

"We discussed making that change immediately, but he also made it clear that he would give his all for the rest of this season before departing in the summer if we preferred.

"After a long discussion we all felt that David staying at the club until the end of the season was best, but we've kept discussions open and we all now feel that the time is right to part ways.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:15 pm

I might be in the minority but I'd be pretty peed off if I was a Hudds fan. I doubt anyone will keep them up and the fans know that, but they still wanted him in charge. He's walked away from a sinking ship which is unbelievable sh**housery. He's got them out of the Championship once and now balked at the task, or does he think he's too good for that now?

He needs some time off is a wierd excuse. I bet he doesn't go back to Hudds in 6 months let's put it that way.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:17 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:His stock was high. And he had taken Huddersfield as far as he is likely to. Second season syndrome too etc.

Course he could have gone down and done a Dyche. But there are more examples where this doesnt happen than does.

But you're saying this in hindsight. You would not have said this at the time.

Surely if you're a manager doing well at a club, you can flip the coin and have confidence in your own ability to carry it on. If I was a manager and doing well, I'd want to carry on doing well as opposed to switching. As I say, it's brilliant when you know what's happened.

And that definitely reads to me that he was basically sacked, just in a nicer way with a better mark on his CV.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:20 pm

town fans not too impressed
http://downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/111393/wagner

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:24 pm

Calamitous knee jerk decision that will come back to haunt them in the longer term. Wagner was a good manager for them. He won them promotion, kept them up last season and they played some attractive football under him at times.

Losing Mooy has had a big impact on them and that can't be blamed on anyone.

If they do go down then Wagner would have been the best candidate to get them back up and not giving him the outside opportunity to turn things around or do that is scandalous. Results are important, but sacrificing a manager who has done well for a club in the recent past is wrong on a number of levels.

Huddersfield had a mountain to climb to make it into the Premier League and staying up was an even greater challenge. The most likely outcome in relation to them staying up was failure, just like it is for any club outside of the top six. Realistically, Wagner has performed in line with expectations.

A new manager will unsettle everyone at the club and have a severe impact on the unity they need to pull themselves out of the crap or recover and move forward in the future.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:26 pm

Long Time Lurker wrote:Calamitous knee jerk decision that will come back to haunt them in the longer term. Wagner was a good manager for them. He won them promotion, kept them up last season and they played some attractive football under him at times.

A new manager will unsettle everyone at the club and have a severe impact on the unity they need to pull themselves out of the crap or recover and move forward in the future.

As you've covered what has already been said, I agree. But will have to wait and see who comes in. They don't have the money to bring in certain managers. Some managers need money to succeed.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:30 pm

FactualFrank wrote:But you're saying this in hindsight. You would not have said this at the time.

I actually said it plenty of times at the time.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:32 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I actually said it plenty of times at the time.

If you can find and quote it, then fair play. I'll hold my hands up.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:36 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Think it's too late for them anyway. Not sure who will want that job tbh.

What's Laws doing? Seriously they're in a similar position to us in 2010. Who would take it, unless at end of career,

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:39 pm

Mark Hughes and Pardew are available....

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:41 pm

Won't start another thread but, as always when a manager goes in our division, there's now an article on site.

http://www.uptheclarets.com/wagner-goes-at-huddersfield" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:41 pm

Long Time Lurker wrote:
Losing Mooy has had a big impact on them and that can't be blamed on anyone.

I think Mooy is their best player, But their problem has been not being able to finish off the chances they create, it’s taken 21 matches this season for one of their strikers to score a goal

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:41 pm

FactualFrank wrote:If you can find and quote it, then fair play. I'll hold my hands up.

Is that so?

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:43 pm

Perfect opportunity for Owen Coyle. Would he go to Yorkshire though?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:49 pm

FactualFrank wrote:And we all know that means the club wanted to get rid, so they put it across in a nicer way that would go better on his CV.

100% wrong

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:50 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Is that so?

What do you mean is that so - I mean, I doubt it, as 99% of people come on, after the case, but if you said it at the time, then fair play.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:51 pm

joey13 wrote:100% wrong

Just been reliably informed, that it's actually bang on. I'll believe this source over you.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:53 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Just been reliably informed, that it's actually bang on. I'll believe this source over you.

You’re still 100% wrong

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:54 pm

joey13 wrote:You’re still 100% wrong

Prove it.

DustyBawls · Post by **DustyBawls** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:56 pm

If you know where to look a Huddersfield player posted (before deleting) that he was asked to leave. Is that sacked? hmmmmmm

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:58 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Prove it.

You go first

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:02 pm

DustyBawls wrote:If you know where to look a Huddersfield player posted (before deleting) that he was asked to leave. Is that sacked? hmmmmmm

I reckon so pal.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:02 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Mark Hughes and Pardew are available....

There's a good reason for that....

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:04 pm

joey13 wrote:You go first

Seems like you know of some goings on at Hudds as you mentioned something last week. Can you divulge loosely what has gone on there?

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:07 pm

Heard Wagner wants to go back to Composing a few tunes