Anyone feel a tinge of sympathy for Theresa May ?

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:13 pm

It's gonna be very difficult for the remainers to stop a no deal outcome now major laws have to be changed to even consider a 2nd ref
so by default we could just get the brexit the WINNING MAJORITY voted for...

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:18 pm

Bring back the Brexiteers who know what they are talking about for the love of god

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:53 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:It's gonna be very difficult for the remainers to stop a no deal outcome now major laws have to be changed to even consider a 2nd ref
so by default we could just get the brexit the WINNING MAJORITY voted for...

Which laws?

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:56 pm

[quote="SmudgetheClaret"]It's gonna be very difficult for the remainers to stop a no deal outcome now major laws have to be changed to even consider a 2nd ref
so by default we could just get the brexit the WINNING MAJORITY voted for...[/quote

That'd be the favourite, in or out that was the question asked, more & more people are getting jacked off & don't want any involvement with the the EU in any shape or form or from any perspective, it's a closure to a frightening nightmare.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:55 am

As soon as I laid eyes upon her.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:56 am

The pound rallies this morning and business encouraged as the prospect of a No Deal Brexit is greatly diminished.

As Parliament begins to take control of the process the most likely outcome is the softest of Brexits (if any Brexit at all).

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:00 am

Re title.
This was never a winnable task, by anyone.
This whole exercise is a result of the very worst leadership ever by the Tory party.
Cameron should be tried for treachery.
May should be locked up with her Lego collection, where she can play with squares and circles and try to morph them.

No sympathy.

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:30 am

IanMcL wrote:Cameron should be tried for treachery.

Nigel Farage was the problem. Cameron merely underestimated the stupidity of the British voter and the number of racists who believed Brexit would mean no more immigration.

Espia · Post by **Espia** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:55 am

No sympathy for her with regards the mess she's made of everything.

A little sympathy for her in that she's probably only earning half of what Laura bloody Keunsberg is !

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:56 am

IanMcL wrote:Re title.
This was never a winnable task, by anyone.
This whole exercise is a result of the very worst leadership ever by the Tory party.
Cameron should be tried for treachery.
May should be locked up with her Lego collection, where she can play with squares and circles and try to morph them.

No sympathy.

Not even for the lego Ian.

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:21 am

No. Loving ever minute of it.
Here we sit in Burnley where 2/3 of voters wanted to leave (presumably labour voters) and 1/3 wanted to remain (Liberals?) and yet we have an MP who wants to remain, representative democracy my arse. The Labour party have been a shambles throughout this process. Without a reasonable opposition May has been able to push her agenda through even though everyone knew it would fail.
Looking forward to general election in march where the choice on the ballot paper will be UKIP to Leave or LibDems to stay beacuse the electorate won't trust the conservatives or labour again.
This farce is the last nail in the coffin of our 2 party system, extreme right wing parties here we come, this generations Oswald Moseley is lurking in the wings.

Test User · Post by **Test User** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:24 am

brexit wrote:No. Loving ever minute of it.
Here we sit in Burnley where 2/3 of voters wanted to leave (presumably labour voters) and 1/3 wanted to remain (Liberals?) and yet we have an MP who wants to remain, representative democracy my arse. The Labour party have been a shambles throughout this process. Without a reasonable opposition May has been able to push her agenda through even though everyone knew it would fail.
Looking forward to general election in march where the choice on the ballot paper will be UKIP to Leave or LibDems to stay beacuse the electorate won't trust the conservatives or labour again.
This farce is the last nail in the coffin of our 2 party system, extreme right wing parties here we come, this generations Oswald Moseley is lurking in the wings.

Did that MP not get elected AFTER the referendum? Was it a secret that she supported remaining in the EU? Yes, and no are the answers.

We elected her to her job knowing she supported remaining in the EU, so shut the **** up with your whining.

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:32 am

Test User wrote:Did that MP not get elected AFTER the referendum? Was it a secret that she supported remaining in the EU? Yes, and no are the answers.

We elected her to her job knowing she supported remaining in the EU, so shut the **** up with your whining.

You miss the point if the post my contention is Labour are responsible for the current situation the Tories.
Your response is typical of the toxic irrational drivel that has dogged this debate on this board [use of capitals is considered bad form by the way ]

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:38 am

brexit wrote:You miss the point if the post my contention is Labour are responsible for the current situation the Tories.
Your response is typical of the toxic irrational drivel that has dogged this debate on this board [use of capitals is considered bad form by the way ]

What have Labour done to create the current situation?

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:39 am

If she hadn't received the votes of MP's directly on her payroll she would have been defeated by 350 votes.

Andrea Loathesome (of the Sunlit Uplands quote) another leading us on the road to nowhere.

Test User · Post by **Test User** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:43 am

martin_p wrote:What have Labour done to create the current situation?

They didn't completely submit to the government. In the view of hardline brexiteers anyone who doesn't submit is an opponent, an enemy, a traitor.

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:50 am

martin_p wrote:What have Labour done to create the current situation?

Labours only priority has been to force a general election.. I am stil not sure what the party position is on brexit.

Test User · Post by **Test User** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:53 am

brexit wrote:Labours only priority has been to force a general election.. I am stil not sure what the party position is on brexit.

Is that why Labour made the Tories completely botch the last two years of Brexit negotiations?

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:55 am

Test User wrote:Is that why Labour made the Tories completely botch the last two years of Brexit negotiations?

Definitely all Labours fault this mess. Poor little strong and stable Theresa if only David had stuck around to deal with the sh@tstorm he created.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:04 pm

brexit wrote:Labours only priority has been to force a general election.. I am stil not sure what the party position is on brexit.

Labour Party position on Brexit is perfectly clear and was voted for by the members and laid out months ago. You could just have a read.
What exactly is the Tory party policy on Brexit ? Not May’s policy but the party policy. If you could please share it with us all that would be super thanks...because based on last nights clusterf-uck my guess would be the Tory party currently has at least 25 different policies

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:03 pm

CombatClaret wrote:influence, collude, sabotage, formulate strategy, aims & objectives, aspirations of the majority...
A lot of word salad there.

Is this from a job description for a politician?

Test User · Post by **Test User** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:24 pm

May's cross-party co-operation plan is deliberately excluding the leader of the Opposition.

But this is all Labour's fault, remember.

None of it is the Conservatives fault, or Leave voters' fault. No, it's all someone elses fault.

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Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:47 pm

To answer the OP, no.

You couldn't pay me a million quid to be prime minister, especially not in the current political mess, but she wanted the job and got it so has to take all the flak that comes with it if she fouls it up.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:56 pm

Falcon wrote:To answer the OP, no.

You couldn't pay me a million quid to be prime minister, especially not in the current political mess, but she wanted the job and got it so has to take all the flak that comes with it if she fouls it up.

And, she's been defeated and embarrassed on enough occasions for her to have done the decent thing and stepped aside. So how can anyone have sympathy?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:28 pm

"Firstly, thanks to you, all of my loyal supporters."

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:39 pm

Remainers - stop being scaredy-cats, live dangerously, i've had a vision of Britannia standing alone atop the beautiful White Cliffs of Dover with the sun on her face. she told me all will probably work out fine. we might have a better, happier land in which to live. ps will Brexit mean fewer bloomin' BMWs, Audis and Mercs on our roads? I really hope so.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:37 pm

biggles wrote: ps will Brexit mean fewer bloomin' BMWs, Audis and Mercs on our roads? I really hope so.

Won't that depend on whether / how soon we run out of fuel?

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:43 pm

biggles wrote:Remainers - stop being scaredy-cats, live dangerously, i've had a vision of Britannia standing alone atop the beautiful White Cliffs of Dover with the sun on her face. she told me all will probably work out fine. we might have a better, happier land in which to live. ps will Brexit mean fewer bloomin' BMWs, Audis and Mercs on our roads? I really hope so.

That's the kind of bold, brave, patriotic attitude we need to see more of in this country. Who needs epilepsy medication anyway? Live dangerously! Or potentially fatally, even!

Test User · Post by **Test User** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:17 pm

biggles wrote:Remainers - stop being scaredy-cats, live dangerously, i've had a vision of Britannia standing alone atop the beautiful White Cliffs of Dover with the sun on her face. she told me all will probably work out fine. we might have a better, happier land in which to live. ps will Brexit mean fewer bloomin' BMWs, Audis and Mercs on our roads? I really hope so.

Fewer people will be able to afford them so yes, there will be fewer BMW's, Audis and Mercs.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:06 pm

Gove just made s strong pitch for next tory leader in closing the debate.

Test User · Post by **Test User** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:14 pm

I'm guessing 306 no confidence votes. Would be funny if she lost though.

Test User · Post by **Test User** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:18 pm

325-306

Time for Labour to support the People's Vote otherwise what's the ******* point of them?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:18 pm

By the skin of her teeth.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:22 pm

summitclaret wrote:Gove just made s strong pitch for next tory leader in closing the debate.

A man everyone can trust.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:35 pm

summitclaret wrote:Gove just made s strong pitch for next tory leader in closing the debate.

He eviscerated Corbyn setting out quite succinctly why JC will never be Prime Minister.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:35 pm

Absolutely nauseating listening to these MP’s coming out now in support of May.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:55 pm

Gove just absolutely destroyed the remains of Jeremy Corbyn.
Anyone feel sorry for him?

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:00 pm

What's with the suggested-column-of-YouTube-esque violent imagery? That $hit is the preserve of morons; I thought this board was better than that.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:16 pm

Spiral wrote:What's with the suggested-column-of-YouTube-esque violent imagery? That $hit is the preserve of morons; I thought this board was better than that.

Where is the violent imagery?
Are you being a drama queen again?

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:40 pm

Ha! Didn't know I was being a drama queen before. Anyway, eviscerated and destroyed, language like that to describe a speech. It's the language of the infowars-inspired idiocy you see on YouTube. And can an evisceration ever be succinct? I dunno. Seems kind of messy. A bullet might be more succinct than a disembowelment. 'Michael Gove shoots Jeremy Corbyn in the brain, succinctly setting out why JC will never be PM'. Technically that would be more truthful, cause and effect would be observed.

Test User · Post by **Test User** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:46 pm

Spiral wrote:Ha! Didn't know I was being a drama queen before. Anyway, eviscerated and destroyed, language like that to describe a speech. It's the language of the infowars-inspired idiocy you see on YouTube. And can an evisceration ever be succinct? I dunno. Seems kind of messy. A bullet might be more succinct than a disembowelment. 'Michael Gove shoots Jeremy Corbyn in the brain, succinctly setting out why JC will never be PM'. Technically that would be more truthful, cause and effect would be observed.

It's not just the infowars-inspired idiocy. Pretty much everywhere where an author can't be bothered to, or just can't, adequately describe a debate/discussion/response/rebuke using words they typically resort to buzzwords.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:48 pm

Although I voted to stay in I totally accepted the result of the referendum. Out is out,
I doubt this or any government could "deliver" bugger all.
Listening to parliament today we have to ditch the whole system, it's outdated and laughable. 650 millionaires behaving like monkeys!

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:54 pm

Spiral wrote:Ha! Didn't know I was being a drama queen before. Anyway, eviscerated and destroyed, language like that to describe a speech. It's the language of the infowars-inspired idiocy you see on YouTube. And can an evisceration ever be succinct? I dunno. Seems kind of messy. A bullet might be more succinct than a disembowelment. 'Michael Gove shoots Jeremy Corbyn in the brain, succinctly setting out why JC will never be PM'. Technically that would be more truthful, cause and effect would be observed.

Ah, well it's a good job you are not offended by swearing

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:55 pm

Test User wrote:It's not just the infowars-inspired idiocy. Pretty much everywhere where an author can't be bothered to, or just can't, adequately describe a debate/discussion/response/rebuke using words they typically resort to buzzwords.

You are literally the buzzword king, charlie

Test User · Post by **Test User** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:05 pm

Damo wrote:You are literally the buzzword king, charlie

Shouldn't be difficult to provide examples then, should it? I'll wait.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:08 pm

Spiral wrote:Ha! Didn't know I was being a drama queen before. Anyway, eviscerated and destroyed, language like that to describe a speech. It's the language of the infowars-inspired idiocy you see on YouTube. And can an evisceration ever be succinct? I dunno. Seems kind of messy. A bullet might be more succinct than a disembowelment. 'Michael Gove shoots Jeremy Corbyn in the brain, succinctly setting out why JC will never be PM'. Technically that would be more truthful, cause and effect would be observed.

To evicerate - “to deprive something of its essential content”. It was a very apt word to describe how Gove quite methodically exposed Corbyn weekness as a leader and highlighted his unsuitability for Prime Minister.

Succinct means clearly expressed, so yes in this context it can be succinct.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:11 pm

felt a bit sorry for Corbyn

This was his big moment, and he ended up like Jim in American Pie

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:27 pm

Test User wrote:Shouldn't be difficult to provide examples then, should it? I'll wait.

Took me a couple of minutes to find these...

Imploding Turtle wrote:fake news

Test User · Post by **Test User** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:33 pm

Damo wrote:Took me a couple of minutes to find these...

You made those up, didn't you?

claret_in_exile · Post by **claret_in_exile** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:35 pm

Being a Remoaner myself and someone who has a policy of never voting for the Tories, I do feel sympathy for Theresa May.

She was the only person with the balls to be PM after the referendum and she's done as good a job as anyone possibly could have. Brexit is simply a disaster. I don't think she's staying on for power's sake - she can't even command a Commons majority - I think she's doing it out of a sense of service.

As much as I intensely dislike Brexit, the will of the people should be respected, else it makes a mockery out of our democracy: politicians will simply keep going to the ballot boxes until they get the answers they want.

At this point, I think she should resign and say "I did what I could" and let the Brexiteers give it a try. If they can't get it done (or they admit they campaigned in bad faith in 2016 - unlikely), perhaps then a second vote would be legitimate.