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Post by Lord Beamish » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:45 am

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by Spijed » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:54 am

Only a complete idiot would think it's safe to drive at the age of 97.
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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by martin_p » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:55 am

Mohamed Ay-Fayed must’ve hired a cheaper mob than the one Phil the Greek paid for all those years ago.

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:57 am

Ridiculous and completely selfish to still be driving at that age. Very lucky that he hasn't killed or seriously injured someone.
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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:58 am

Allegedly, martinp !

Refer to point 3 in the "Announcements" section above... :lol:

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by martin_p » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:03 am

jrgbfc wrote:Ridiculous and completely selfish to still be driving at that age. Very lucky that he hasn't killed or seriously injured someone.
He’ll have had as many accidents as many younger drivers so far this year. If he was a serial offender you’d have a point, but one accident on a road that seemingly has lots of them doesn’t tell us he’s not fit to drive.
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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by Rick_Muller » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:06 am

Why shouldn't he be driving? especially if he is still fit and able to. Obviously this incident may prove to be something that contradicts whether he is deemed fit and able to, but you shouldn't prohibit someone from driving based upon age alone.

My mother is now 80 and is still a better driver than most people I know (she spent years driving limo's and taxi's for her family business) - at what age do you want her to stop? or at what level of capability do you think she should stop? She has to renew her licence every 3 years and declare medical capability and changes in her health and I am certain there is stipulation that you have to declare changes in between the 3 year gap too.

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by houseboy » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:08 am

Phil the Greek has given me many laughs over the years with his utter ignorance and complete inability to engage with what most of us call the real world, his 'upper class twit of the year' persona has been more funny than annoying but driving at 97 is probably not the wisest thing he has ever done.
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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:09 am

At 97 there's no way you have the reactions or the wits to be behind the wheel of a car, especially something as powerful as a big Range Rover.
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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by Rick_Muller » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:09 am

jrgbfc wrote:At 97 there's no way you have the reactions or the wits to be behind the wheel of a car, especially something as powerful as a big Range Rover.
How would you know? are you 97 too?
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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by spadesclaret » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:10 am

jrgbfc wrote:Ridiculous and completely selfish to still be driving at that age. Very lucky that he hasn't killed or seriously injured someone.
Edmund King, AA president, said: “Young, predominantly male, drivers are much more likely to crash within six months of passing their test than older drivers within six months of hanging up their keys.

“Older drivers often self-restrict their driving by not driving at night and only driving on familiar roads.

“The decision to hang up your keys is a tough one but should be based on personal advice from your GP and family, rather than being based on some arbitrary age.”
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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:19 am

Rick_Muller wrote:How would you know? are you 97 too?
No it's just basic Human Biology. Even a relatively healthy 97 year old can't have the same reaction time as a younger person.

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by mdd2 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:20 am

I do think that Philip at the age of 97 with no need to be driving ahould have packed it in. It is not as if he were living in the country on limited funds save a car perhaps given to him by his kids with the only means of transport he has. The Nation would be "happy" to pay for a chauffeur or get an Uber App on his mobile so that he could get a quick cheap taxi!!!!!!!

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by Corky » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:21 am

He is arrogant, ignorant and pig-headed why should we be surprised that he insists on still driving when he no doubt had a Police Officer with him who could do the job. And I am sure there were plenty at Sandringham who could have chauffeured him.

The ridiculous thing is he doesn't need to drive.
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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by cricketfield73 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:22 am

Stanley Matthews was still playing First Division football at 97.

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by piston broke » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:23 am

Been checking the junction on maps, after reading he said he was dazzled by the sun. This is feasible.
The road he has travelled down splits just before the A road for turning right or left. If he has made a late decision, at speed, for the right turn there is a possibility to flip it.Witnesses said he was rolling as he crossed the A road.
where the other vehicle ended up it looks as though he was coming square on to the junction. This doesn’t explain the rolling?
Having attended many RTAs over the years I enjoyed trying to solve the puzzle and was baffled regularly then a traffic cop would roll up and explain it all from one viewing.

My neighbour has just been given another 3 years at 87 and that is scary. 3 years is too long by that age it should be annual. The competence of DofE is for others to know and not for some just to be ageist.

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by Clarets4me » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:25 am

Rick_Muller wrote:How would you know? are you 97 too?
Not until later this year, I believe ! ;)

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:27 am

Don't think its fair to say you shouldn't drive at 97, but certainly there is an argument for re-tests above a certain age.
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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by I luv my wife » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:39 am

Was he breathalyised at the scene thought it was common practice nowadays

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:39 am

Yeah he was.

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by Lord Beamish » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:43 am

I luv my wife wrote:Was he breathalyised at the scene thought it was common practice nowadays
What the Poilise didnt realise is that, because he’s a Lizard, old Phil actually breathes through his skin.

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by MrTopTier » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:57 am

You should not be driving at 97, it's an accident waiting to happen!.

Ironically, Diana's last words.
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Post by Lord Beamish » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:02 am

MrTopTier wrote:You should not be driving at 97, it's an accident waiting to happen!.

Ironically, Diana's last words.
I though they were, “Oh Dodi, I’m so tired. I can't wait for my head to hit that pillar.”
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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:05 am

Anyone over the age of 70 or any female of any age should be made to retake a mandatory test every 6 months.

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by BurningBeard » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:07 am

Lord Beamish wrote:What the Poilise didnt realise is that, because he’s a Lizard, old Phil actually breathes through his skin.
The original series of V was great.

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by Rick_Muller » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:09 am

From reading the red tops in the cafe at work - it appears the sum dazzled him and he didn't see the car - that has nothing to do with his age, can happen to anyone.

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:09 am

Makes sense if he was a lizard to be honest

"Sun dazzled him" apparently, more likely to have given him an unexpected energy boost which caused him to floor it.
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Post by Lord Beamish » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:10 am

BurningBeard wrote:The original series of V was great.
It’s a little known fact that Phil the Greek was Anthopological Adviser on that series.
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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by piston broke » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:12 am

Rick_Muller wrote:From reading the red tops in the cafe at work - it appears the sum dazzled him and he didn't see the car - that has nothing to do with his age, can happen to anyone.
But the witness said he was already rolling when he came out of the junction.

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:12 am

Got a bit excited in the lizard-human sex scene apparently
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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by Dark Cloud » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:16 am

There are probably some (I'd suggest not many but...) 97 year olds who are quite capable of driving safely on today's roads, but our man here has been in failing health for some time and struggles with many daily routines it would appear, so driving himself (particularly when there are others paid to do it for him) seems somewhat bonkers. (imo)

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by Rick_Muller » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:19 am

piston broke wrote:But the witness said he was already rolling when he came out of the junction.
I've not read that anywhere, have you got a link. The BBC article quotes "Witnesses said the duke's Land Rover overturned during the collision, which happened as he emerged from a driveway." which isn't the same as "rolling when he came out of the junction"

I'm not overly bother to be honest, but I did take umbrage that people seem to think that age is a limiting factor when it comes to driving - whereas surely it should be down to ability whatever age you are. In truth, he doesn't need to drive, but if he wants to and is legally able to why cant he..?

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Post by Lord Beamish » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:27 am

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by Woodleyclaret » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:33 am

Cuts in the Royal purse has led to chauffeur redundancies?Why else would this fool be driving himself.

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Post by houseboy » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:38 am

mdd2 wrote:I do think that Philip at the age of 97 with no need to be driving ahould have packed it in. It is not as if he were living in the country on limited funds save a car perhaps given to him by his kids with the only means of transport he has. The Nation would be "happy" to pay for a chauffeur or get an Uber App on his mobile so that he could get a quick cheap taxi!!!!!!!
The nation very definitely wouldn't be 'happy' to pay for his chauffeur, he can afford to pay for one himself. He's not the average pensioner scraping by.

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Post by piston broke » Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:59 am

Rick_Muller wrote:I've not read that anywhere, have you got a link. The BBC article quotes "Witnesses said the duke's Land Rover overturned during the collision, which happened as he emerged from a driveway." which isn't the same as "rolling when he came out of the junction"

I'm not overly bother to be honest, but I did take umbrage that people seem to think that age is a limiting factor when it comes to driving - whereas surely it should be down to ability whatever age you are. In truth, he doesn't need to drive, but if he wants to and is legally able to why cant he..?
I read it on the Sky news site. Totally agree about age. There's not much wrong with him if he could climb out at 97.
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Post by martin_p » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:06 pm

If there were to be age restrictions on driving and they were based on what’s best for road safety it’d be the 18-24 age group getting the restriction.
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Post by Lord Beamish » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:06 pm

Asbestos Phil, photographed leaving the incident...
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Post by conyoviejo » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:07 pm

I've watched the TVs programme about 100 yr plus drivers ..very scary indeed.. You can't blame them though if there isn't a law in place to stop them at a certain age.. I hope I'm still driving at a 100. :o

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Post by martin_p » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:13 pm

The local council have just announced new speed limits and safety cameras on the stretch of road the accident occurred on. Been an accident hotspot for years but it’s taken them less than 24 hours to make changes when a royal has been involved. Now that I do find distasteful!
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Post by Rick_Muller » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:17 pm

martin_p wrote:The local council have just announced new speed limits and safety cameras on the stretch of road the accident occurred on. Been an accident hotspot for years but it’s taken them less than 24 hours to make changes when a royal has been involved. Now that I do find distasteful!
they'll have an average speed check zone in place by next week too...

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Post by jrgbfc » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:27 pm

In my opinion anyone wanting to drive once they reach 80 should have to retake their test and go for an annual medical that checks their eyesight, reaction time etc. If they can prove they are fit to drive then I haven't got any problem with them continuing to drive.

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Post by Spijed » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:33 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:I've not read that anywhere, have you got a link. The BBC article quotes "Witnesses said the duke's Land Rover overturned during the collision, which happened as he emerged from a driveway." which isn't the same as "rolling when he came out of the junction"

I'm not overly bother to be honest, but I did take umbrage that people seem to think that age is a limiting factor when it comes to driving - whereas surely it should be down to ability whatever age you are. In truth, he doesn't need to drive, but if he wants to and is legally able to why cant he..?
The issue is that you are far more likely to have a heart attack, for example, at the wheel if you are 97 than if you are 18.

The same is for many other health issues, such as eye sight, hearing etc.

The problem at the moment is that many older people will not inform the DVLA straight away if they have any health problems and may feel they are ok when they clearly aren't.

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by Rick_Muller » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:33 pm

jrgbfc wrote:In my opinion anyone wanting to drive once they reach 80 should have to retake their test and go for an annual medical that checks their eyesight, reaction time etc. If they can prove they are fit to drive then I haven't got any problem with them continuing to drive.
I agree to an extent, but I cant see my mum being capable of using a PC mouse to do the practical test... but as I said in a post above that I think she is one of the best drivers I know and she's in her 80's now. I think an annual Doctors certificate would be an option though, paid for my the driver - it may even help the NHS funds eh...

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by Rick_Muller » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:36 pm

Spijed wrote:The issue is that you are far more likely to have a heart attack, for example, at the wheel if you are 97 than if you are 18.

The same is for many other health issues, such as eye sight, hearing etc.

The problem at the moment is that many older people will not inform the DVLA straight away if they have any health problems and may feel they are ok when they clearly aren't.
We can play that game in reverse - you're more likely to be reckless and on (recreational) drugs if your 18 than if your 97... I do get it, and I agree that there are many factors that can affect a persons ability to drive - simply stating that age is a primary factor is not accurate though is it...?
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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by bfcjg » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:45 pm

If its perfectly permissible, legal and in some quarters encouraged to drive with a niqab on so you can just about peer out of a slot why should a guy in his nineties be banned ?

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:50 pm

Nice cast mate, 10/10
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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:51 pm

bfcjg wrote:If its perfectly permissible, legal and in some quarters encouraged to drive with a niqab on so you can just about peer out of a slot why should a guy in his nineties be banned ?

What's wrong with driving like this?

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Wearing glasses obstructs more sight than a niqab. Should we ban glasses?
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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by BurningBeard » Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:05 pm

Yes. And balaclavas. And motorcycle helmets with those visor thingys.

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Re: DofE Involved in First Car Crash Since Aug ‘97

Post by kritichris » Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:14 pm

Good job it wasn't a biker it would probably have been fatal but then they would have blamed the biker anyway.

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