Hendrick

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:17 am

His place to lose, even when JBG returns? Or would you make the switch back straight away?

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:21 am

No I’d give him time...

Doing well, and deserves his place. It would be foolish to finally find a position for Jeff that suits him, then dump him.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:21 am

Jeff for first hour at Old Trafford then JBG on when we're going for the win.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:23 am

bobinho wrote:It would be foolish to finally find a position for Jeff that suits him, then dump him.

I know what you're saying. But it could be seen as equally harsh to drop JBG due to being injured, as he was also playing well.

WestMidsClaret · Post by **WestMidsClaret** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:25 am

Whilst we're getting positive results then we need to make as little changes as possible IMO (and I've never been Jeff's biggest fan).

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:30 am

City will now be an interesting lineup

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:34 am

I don’t think JBG has been very good this season, even in this good run (when fit), personally feel he is a long way behind his best from last season, and I’m a big fan of his.

Hendrick has been great the last two games and McNeil is undroppable at the minute so JBG on the bench for me. At least he gives us a legitimate option to change the game, something we lack at the minute.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:35 am

I wouldn't drop Hendrick. I didn't go yesterday, but the combination of BBC and Sky highlights suggested he did a really good job for us yesterday and he certainly gave us an extra dimension in midfield against Fulham. We looked more like the team we were for Dyche in the first 3 or 4 years of his reign, when the midfield 4 played narrow and tight.

City in the cup is a bit of an exception because no doubt we'll rest a few, but I'd be pretty tempted to give McNeil the game at City, but bring JBG or Brady in for him at United. Or perhaps play JBG and Brady with one of those two (and not Hendrick) operating off Wood, with licence to go an exploit the space behind United's full backs.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:36 am

It’s Hendrick’s shirt to lose at the minute. We desperately need JBG back as soon as possible though. He could have made the difference coming off the bench for the final 20 minutes yesterday.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:38 am

jedi_master wrote:I don’t think JBG has been very good this season, even in this good run (when fit), personally feel he is a long way behind his best from last season, and I’m a big fan of his.

Hendrick has been great the last two games and McNeil is undroppable at the minute so JBG on the bench for me. At least he gives us a legitimate option to change the game, something we lack at the minute.

I’d agree with all of that but both Brady and JBG seem to need 5/6 games to get up to speed and JBG, in particular, has had a severely disrupted season.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:38 am

FactualFrank wrote:I know what you're saying. But it could be seen as equally harsh to drop JBG due to being injured, as he was also playing well.

Fair enough, jbg has been great. Maybe he’d be a better fit in jeffs old position? Sometimes in football the enforced changes can reap the best rewards. Playing Jeff there week in week out and seeing/hearing the roastings he’s been getting from the stands wouldn’t have done his confidence a load of good. Decent player is Hendrick. When he’s used right...

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:49 am

I’d probably give Hendrick another start there. I’m not his greatest fan but he’s earned it. As another poster has mentioned he’s better with the game in front of him. Looks far better wide than as a ‘false 10’. JBG would offer something different from the bench against tired legs.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:51 am

Regarding the left, I'd start Brady vs City and keep McNeil for United. He's earned his place for the more important league games, so definitely wouldn't be swapping and changing for league matches like that.

Moorite · Post by **Moorite** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:02 pm

I wouldn't risk JBG against City. It's not a must win game and he has a habit of getting injured.

Brady needs game time and McNeil needs fitness so 90 minutes for them both will be a positive.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:06 pm

Under rated player is Hendrick,can't for the life in me know why we are even discussing him being dropped.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:42 pm

claretspice wrote:City in the cup is a bit of an exception because no doubt we'll rest a few, but I'd be pretty tempted to give McNeil the game at City, but bring JBG or Brady in for him at United.

At the moment McNeil is playing very well and making things happen. Even when JBG and Brady played recently, McNeil was our best wide player. With that in mind, why would you drop him for the Man Utd game?

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:54 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:At the moment McNeil is playing very well and making things happen. Even when JBG and Brady played recently, McNeil was our best wide player. With that in mind, why would you drop him for the Man Utd game?

Well firstly, I completely get your point. It's great that McNeil is offering this headache to the manager.

But I think there's a difference between dropping McNeil and managing him carefully, which may involve resting him intermittently. Against both City and United we will do an awful lot of running - and then of course we have a much more winnable home game with Southampton. It's asking a lot of a young lad just out of junior football to cope with that workload and I'd be tempted to keep him fresh for Southampton.

Secondly, our wingers will do an awful lot of defending against United given how committed Solksjaer appears to be to his full backs bombing on. That's the rawest part of McNeil's game I think, and so I think JBG or Brady might give us a better balance in that department for this game.

We need to treat him carefully, so I think there's a case for prioritising for him for the games when we're most likely to play to/need his strengths.

icu81b4 · Post by **icu81b4** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:56 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Under rated player is Hendrick,can't for the life in me know why we are even discussing him being dropped.

I think you've answered your own question there Steve

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:56 pm

The encouraging thing at the moment is that when JBG, Brady and Defour are fully fit and hopefully in form, we will have plenty of competition for the midfield and wide positions. This can only help Dyche in his team selection.

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:06 pm

Gudmundsson has been pretty poor all season. Potentially one to look at upgrading in the summer, but more likely Lennon.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:07 pm

Moorite wrote:I wouldn't risk JBG against City. It's not a must win game and he has a habit of getting injured.

Brady needs game time and McNeil needs fitness so 90 minutes for them both will be a positive.

Agreed about Brady but would save McNeil for the league as he is one of our biggest assets at the moment, and also play JBG instead of Jeff who has actually been a revelation since moving wide right

to get some game time.
Defour could do with some gametime so would play him too....

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:09 pm

If they are fit, I would play JBG, Brady and Defour against City.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:09 pm

claretspice wrote:Well firstly, I completely get your point. It's great that McNeil is offering this headache to the manager.

But I think there's a difference between dropping McNeil and managing him carefully, which may involve resting him intermittently. Against both City and United we will do an awful lot of running - and then of course we have a much more winnable home game with Southampton. It's asking a lot of a young lad just out of junior football to cope with that workload and I'd be tempted to keep him fresh for Southampton.

Secondly, our wingers will do an awful lot of defending against United given how committed Solksjaer appears to be to his full backs bombing on. That's the rawest part of McNeil's game I think, and so I think JBG or Brady might give us a better balance in that department for this game.

We need to treat him carefully, so I think there's a case for prioritising for him for the games when we're most likely to play to/need his strengths.

You're right in it's not McNeil's strength defending but if we take him out the side we won't have anyone dragging us forward. Seeing as he keeps getting double marked the rest won't have as much space either.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:14 pm

jedi_master wrote:I don’t think JBG has been very good this season, even in this good run (when fit), personally feel he is a long way behind his best from last season, and I’m a big fan of his.

Hendrick has been great the last two games and McNeil is undroppable at the minute so JBG on the bench for me. At least he gives us a legitimate option to change the game, something we lack at the minute.

JBG was our best outfielder for the first 3 months

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:15 pm

MDWat wrote:Gudmundsson has been pretty poor all season. Potentially one to look at upgrading in the summer, but more likely Lennon.

Again he was our best outfielder for the first 3 months of the season

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:17 pm

Agree joey, JBG has been one of our better players all season, even when we were playing awfully.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:25 pm

Cannot believe the people calling JBG...
He was our outstanding outfield player early season.

When he is back fit and with his pace wide right with McNeil wide left, we will cut teams to shreds, and with Brady and Lennon on the bench as adequate back up.

But at the moment Jeff Hendrick is the man in charge of the shirt and a revelation since he moved wide right.... Its Jeffs shirt to lose now, and tbh I don't think he will if he continues playing like he is.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:31 pm

MDWat wrote:Gudmundsson has been pretty poor all season. Potentially one to look at upgrading in the summer, but more likely Lennon.

Hi MDW, surely not? Most of the team have been "pretty poor" until the new year. Bit, tough to rule JBG out based on being injured when the team have started to play to a much higher standard. Yes, adding to the strength and depth of the squad in summer should be the target - I'm sure it is - but JBG and many others are still worth their place in the squad and starting XIs.

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Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:54 pm

icu81b4 wrote:I think you've answered your own question there Steve

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:47 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:You're right in it's not McNeil's strength defending but if we take him out the side we won't have anyone dragging us forward. Seeing as he keeps getting double marked the rest won't have as much space either.

I think that's a bit harsh on both Hendrick (who looked to me to drag us forward for the second goal against Fulham for example), and on the ability of JBG and Brady to influence the game on the counter-attack. And I'm not sure Man United will be worrying too much about double marking our players because they'll have the ball for 70% of the game or thereabouts, which is sort of my point.

But anyway, completely see the argument for keeping him in the side. It always seems a bit odd to experiment against the top teams, but - especially if Dyche wants an extra midfielder in a 4-5-1 anyway away against the top clubs - I wonder whether Dyche might look to use McNeil in the so-called "number 10" position, where he wouldn't have quite as much defensive responsibility. He looks to me to have the attributes to succeed there (although the quality of his crossing will always make it tempting to leave him out left), and I'm told it is a position he's played regularly in the reserve and youth teams. He's diligent enough to do the job of supplementing the midfield, but he'd not have the same level of defending required of him as our wide players will have to do.

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