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Will this government and May
Go down in history as the worst ever,can't think of a worse one.
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Re: Will this government and May
She’s doing her best to outdo Cameron that’s for sure.
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Re: Will this government and May
Certainly looking that way.
You cannot put internal divisions in your party ahead of what is best for the country.
You cannot put internal divisions in your party ahead of what is best for the country.
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And she's far from finished yet!Bordeauxclaret wrote:She’s doing her best to outdo Cameron that’s for sure.
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Re: Will this government and May
Although it would certainly be surpassed by Corbyn's if he wins the next election
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Whose version of “what’s best for the country” are you using?Lancasterclaret wrote:
You cannot put internal divisions in your party ahead of what is best for the country.
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She is more worried about the internal divisions in her party than she is about the country, as she's not prepared to entertain anyother idea other than her plan or a "No Deal". As she hasn't got a majority for either, and at least fifty Eurosceptic MPs won't vote for anything other than a "No Deal", she's effectively condemning us for a disastrous and (more importantly) unprepared "No Deal".
She is more worried about the internal divisions in her party than she is about the country, as she's not prepared to entertain anyother idea other than her plan or a "No Deal". As she hasn't got a majority for either, and at least fifty Eurosceptic MPs won't vote for anything other than a "No Deal", she's effectively condemning us for a disastrous and (more importantly) unprepared "No Deal".
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Steve1956 wrote:Although it would be certainly be surpassed by Corbyn's if he wins the next election
Well, obviously, it says so in all the tabloid papers.
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How do you know - do you have some inside knowledge - do share. Or are you you just showing a touch of bias? Mmm!Steve1956 wrote:Although it would be certainly be surpassed by Corbyn's if he wins the next election
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And she is banking on Corbyn Eurosceptism carrying Labour with her.
Which as 80 odd percent of Lab members don't agree with him, is a tad risky BUT it all depends on whether Corbyn is red old Uncle Corbyn from the 70s or this visionary who will revolutionise politics with members at the forefront.
Very entertaining it does remain though!
Which as 80 odd percent of Lab members don't agree with him, is a tad risky BUT it all depends on whether Corbyn is red old Uncle Corbyn from the 70s or this visionary who will revolutionise politics with members at the forefront.
Very entertaining it does remain though!
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It is a dog’s breakfast and given Europe wants us in and ain’t going to make leaving easy why on earth have we made it clear we won’t leave without a deal. That puts us worse off than Nelson with only one arm and eye when he went into battle.
Should have got ASLEF to negotiate a deal not Civil Servants who likely are remainders and M Ps
Should have got ASLEF to negotiate a deal not Civil Servants who likely are remainders and M Ps
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Having been outed as a proven liar last Friday regarding his comments over Turkey during the Referendum campaign, I noticed that the Daily Mail had a double page spread on Boris Johnson and his new lover in their Saturday edition. To devote 2 whole pages to this buffoon shows how indebted the Daily Mail are to Boris for helping to deliver Brexit and how they still view him as a future PM in waiting.
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With the benefit of hindsight Blair and Brown have been a hard act to follow and to think I voted for them.
All should step aside and let one of the few politicians with any integrity left head up a government,Nigel Farage.
All should step aside and let one of the few politicians with any integrity left head up a government,Nigel Farage.
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Good old Nige he’ll sort this country out. One of the lads!Lord Rothbury wrote:With the benefit of hindsight Blair and Brown have been a hard act to follow and to think I voted for them.
All should step aside and let one of the few politicians with any integrity left head up a government,Nigel Farage.
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You've cast far better than that.
Thats just Roy Schneider dropping chum off the back of the boat
Thats just Roy Schneider dropping chum off the back of the boat
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Happy Coup Day everyone. Because that's something that's happening today. Apparently
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Corbyn running the country along with Abbot & Costello,we would be broke and at war in about 3 monthshouseboy wrote:How do you know - do you have some inside knowledge - do share. Or are you you just showing a touch of bias? Mmm!
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Now I know you are taking the Mick. Jeremy Corbyn leading ANY country into war? You really don't know anything about him do you?Steve1956 wrote:Corbyn running the country along with Abbot & Costello,we would be broke and at war in about 3 months
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Would he be worse than the current lot?
You could argue that they might be, but there is a fairly good chance that they might not be either.
You could argue that they might be, but there is a fairly good chance that they might not be either.
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I was talking about our prospective loose cannon home secetaryhouseboy wrote:Now I know you are taking the Mick. Jeremy Corbyn leading ANY country into war? You really don't know anything about him do you?
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File the lot of them in the same drawer as Martin Buchan!
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I know he's a scruffy prick,bit of a laughing stock and he probably smells, apart from that I don't know anything about him,but God help us if he's ever Prime Minister.houseboy wrote:Now I know you are taking the Mick. Jeremy Corbyn leading ANY country into war? You really don't know anything about him do you?
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Love your humour. Nice bit of tongue-in-cheek comment there.Steve1956 wrote:I know he's a scruffy prick,bit of a laughing stock and he probably smells, apart from that I don't know anything about him,but God help us if he's ever Prime Minister.
You ARE being funny there aren't you? Of course you are - no one could take that seriously.
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Definitely, but it isn't just the government.
The whole of the HOC is a self interested mess. They've become so wrapped up in party politics, the public are completely ignored. Highlighted by the attempts to overturn the referendum.
It won't be solved until we stop voting for party funded mouth pieces, who've been through the party system to get to stand for election.
We need a new party to fight for the centre ground, that seeks to represent the majority of this country.
Until then I would suggest you put party politics aside and instead vote for the candidate who looks least likely to be under the party thumb. A candidate who will put his constituents before his party, whatever bloody colour their rosette is.
The whole of the HOC is a self interested mess. They've become so wrapped up in party politics, the public are completely ignored. Highlighted by the attempts to overturn the referendum.
It won't be solved until we stop voting for party funded mouth pieces, who've been through the party system to get to stand for election.
We need a new party to fight for the centre ground, that seeks to represent the majority of this country.
Until then I would suggest you put party politics aside and instead vote for the candidate who looks least likely to be under the party thumb. A candidate who will put his constituents before his party, whatever bloody colour their rosette is.
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Corbyn prime minister? God no. He will negotiate with anyone except the sitting government. The guy is an opportunistic leech.
Granted Theresa and her pals are making a pigs ear of it, but at least she hasn’t started negotiating after giving away her biggest bargaining chip, which is what the lunatic jezza wants her to do.
Granted Theresa and her pals are making a pigs ear of it, but at least she hasn’t started negotiating after giving away her biggest bargaining chip, which is what the lunatic jezza wants her to do.
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That "biggest bargaining chip" hasn't worked so far it as to be said.
Somehow I suspect its about as valid as "they need us more than we need them"
Somehow I suspect its about as valid as "they need us more than we need them"
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How can you give away something that you've never had?bobinho wrote: but at least she hasn’t started negotiating after giving away her biggest bargaining chip, which is what the lunatic jezza wants her to do.
The EU have known from the outset that "no deal" isn't an option, it's just posturing.
Presumably most of our MPs and most of the population are also lunatics since they agree with his position, indeed Parliament might agree this pretty soon. (I'm not entirely certain, by the way, that Corbyn would rule out "no deal" if he wasn't bound by his party's rules and policies, so you might have something in common).).
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So you must be very grateful then that the Speaker has recently reasserted the authority of MPs in Parliament, so Jezza and his executive can't do anything without the approval of the house.Steve1956 wrote:Corbyn running the country along with Abbot & Costello,we would be broke and at war in about 3 months
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And therein lies Corbyn's ultimate downfall I think. 80%+ Labour members may well support a remain point of view but I believe that number is dwarfed by the number of voters in what used to be traditional Labour heartlands in the midlands, South Wales and the north of England. Those are the areas the voted resoundingly to leave the EU. Whatever happens when Corbyn finally is dragged kicking and struggling into the daylight he is in for a rough ride.Lancasterclaret wrote:And she is banking on Corbyn Eurosceptism carrying Labour with her.
Which as 80 odd percent of Lab members don't agree with him, is a tad risky BUT it all depends on whether Corbyn is red old Uncle Corbyn from the 70s or this visionary who will revolutionise politics with members at the forefront.
Very entertaining it does remain though!
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‘Give me what I want or I’ll jump’ only works as a negotiating tactic if anyone believes you’ll actually jump (or even cares whether you do or don’t). No one with even an ounce of sense thinks she’ll do it. Now if we were led by Donald Trump.....bobinho wrote:Corbyn prime minister? God no. He will negotiate with anyone except the sitting government. The guy is an opportunistic leech.
Granted Theresa and her pals are making a pigs ear of it, but at least she hasn’t started negotiating after giving away her biggest bargaining chip, which is what the lunatic jezza wants her to do.
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That's a tricky circle for Jezza to square hence why he's getting splinters from all that fence sitting.Chobulous wrote:And therein lies Corbyn's ultimate downfall I think. 80%+ Labour members may well support a remain point of view but I believe that number is dwarfed by the number of voters in what used to be traditional Labour heartlands in the midlands, South Wales and the north of England. Those are the areas the voted resoundingly to leave the EU. Whatever happens when Corbyn finally is dragged kicking and struggling into the daylight he is in for a rough ride.
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This government, and Cameron’s have been abysmal - unless you’re wealthy. All the pain of austerity, only to see the money that was saved be given away in tax breaks, while the national debt grew by more than under every Labour government in history. And of course the playing politics with the country’s future, by calling this referendum, and dividing the people, all to heal Tory rifts. No magic money tree, except to bung the DUP. No plans to raise VAT, weeks before it was done. No major changes to the NHS, followed by just that. Windrush, and vans telling people to go home. Biggest sell off of state assets since Thatcher.
And some people think a Corbyn government would be worse?
And some people think a Corbyn government would be worse?
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Let's be honest, if we wanted to play no deal as a bargaining chip we had to start preparations for it a couple of years ago. It's not going to be taken seriously at this late stage as the lack of preparation shows that the UK had never considered it a serious option.bobinho wrote:Corbyn prime minister? God no. He will negotiate with anyone except the sitting government. The guy is an opportunistic leech.
Granted Theresa and her pals are making a pigs ear of it, but at least she hasn’t started negotiating after giving away her biggest bargaining chip, which is what the lunatic jezza wants her to do.
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Wouldn't know,I never read them.fatboy47 wrote:Well, obviously, it says so in all the tabloid papers.
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Thing is, she won't negotiate with anyone and he knows this. Last week's offer of cross-party talks was duplicitous in the extreme. She's hasn't listened to anyone and is now back trying to sell her sorry-arsed deal to the hard Brexiteers on her backbenchers. JC got it right for once.bobinho wrote:Corbyn prime minister? God no. He will negotiate with anyone except the sitting government.
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Just to reiterate what is obvious to everybody else, the EU have no intention of renegotiating the backstop so we are going to head out with "No Deal" unless either May or Corbyn shifts on something.
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And let’s not forget the part the hard Brexiteers played in undermining this option when preparations finally did start. Talk of stockpiling medicines and emergency measures at ports were labelled ‘more project fear’ designed to scare the public off no deal Brexit. Not only did they want the EU to believe we’d jump off the cliff, they also expected everyone to believe we could gently flex our knees, land on our feet and skip off into the luscious no deal pasture without so much as a sprained ankle!aggi wrote:Let's be honest, if we wanted to play no deal as a bargaining chip we had to start preparations for it a couple of years ago. It's not going to be taken seriously at this late stage as the lack of preparation shows that the UK had never considered it a serious option.
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Couldn't have put it better myself, maybe we'll be a bit financially worse off, but c'mon this government have taken austerity a tad past the limit.Lancasterclaret wrote:Would he be worse than the current lot?
You could argue that they might be, but there is a fairly good chance that they might not be either.
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Cameron appalling decision making. Short straw for May, who has risen to the occasion and managed to lose the straw entirely.
Incompetence in the extreme.
That, above all reasons, is why we should remain in the EU. Our country is run by imbeciles.
Incompetence in the extreme.
That, above all reasons, is why we should remain in the EU. Our country is run by imbeciles.
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Not even a Corbyn fan but there’s a mad amount of whataboutery at play. This government has literally been found to be in contempt of parliament, and uses bribery to try and bypass the process.
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Not to mention all the people with serious illnesses their "forcing" not helping as she persists in preaching in the hoc at every opportunity " back to work " nothing short of ridiculous. Just my opinion of course.AndrewJB wrote:This government, and Cameron’s have been abysmal - unless you’re wealthy. All the pain of austerity, only to see the money that was saved be given away in tax breaks, while the national debt grew by more than under every Labour government in history. And of course the playing politics with the country’s future, by calling this referendum, and dividing the people, all to heal Tory rifts. No magic money tree, except to bung the DUP. No plans to raise VAT, weeks before it was done. No major changes to the NHS, followed by just that. Windrush, and vans telling people to go home. Biggest sell off of state assets since Thatcher.
And some people think a Corbyn government would be worse?
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The biggest bargaining chip didn't work because they simply didn't believe her, they still don't. The reason they didn't believe her is because of all the remoaners in the HOC and in the media complaining about the result of the referendum.Lancasterclaret wrote:That "biggest bargaining chip" hasn't worked so far it as to be said.
Somehow I suspect its about as valid as "they need us more than we need them"
Now it's time to show you and them, that she wasn't lying, and walk away with the no deal. In the weeks that follow the deals will be done, because no deal suits nobody, them or us.
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The government should be in contempt of parliament, considering Parliament is in contempt of the country.SGr wrote:Not even a Corbyn fan but there’s a mad amount of whataboutery at play. This government has literally been found to be in contempt of parliament, and uses bribery to try and bypass the process.
TM is guilty of trying to sit on a fence that doesn't exist. She needs to have the courage to implement the referendum, and then prove that it isn't the end of the world as we know it.
If she does that, and calls an election in 12 months time, the Tories will walk it.
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The reason they don't is because its economic suicide.
I do wish you'd check all the stuff that backs my view up and stop reading posts/speeches by people who are tad vague on details about this.
I do wish you'd check all the stuff that backs my view up and stop reading posts/speeches by people who are tad vague on details about this.
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Country divided down the middle, the Tories are and labour are. It is an impossible ask for any politician or party.
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The position now appears to be "WTO but only for a short time till the EU caves in"
1) That means everyone who counts knows that WTO is worst case scenario. So can we please stop this "WTO is fine" ********
2) Relying on an EU collapse of position is far too risky an option to seriously consider
Honestly, if we were all being our usual UK selves, we'd be laughing these charlatans out of office.
1) That means everyone who counts knows that WTO is worst case scenario. So can we please stop this "WTO is fine" ********
2) Relying on an EU collapse of position is far too risky an option to seriously consider
Honestly, if we were all being our usual UK selves, we'd be laughing these charlatans out of office.
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Even hardline ERG type brexiteers admit that a "no deal" brexit will result in short-term damage, (Rees-Mogg for example says we might not feel the benefits for 50 years), so the chances of a Tory victory, (let alone landslide) just 12 months after a "no deal" must be virtually nil.Colburn_Claret wrote:The government should be in contempt of parliament, considering Parliament is in contempt of the country.
TM is guilty of trying to sit on a fence that doesn't exist. She needs to have the courage to implement the referendum, and then prove that it isn't the end of the world as we know it.
If she does that, and calls an election in 12 months time, the Tories will walk it.
[This is one of May's major problems since she is following Cameron in putting party before country].