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NEVER believe official figures, the calculations have been carefully manipulated over the years to show the results in the best possible light. There is always a story behind the story
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That will include all the poor feckers on zero hours contracts.
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gtclaret wrote:NEVER believe official figures, the calculations have been carefully manipulated over the years to show the results in the best possible light. There is always a story behind the story
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Unless of course they back up your point of view, then people would be more than happy to believe them.
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Working 1 hour a week puts you in the employed portion of the statistics. So it's not all as rosy as is being made out.
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Do you post any other links than Breitbart ones?
I mean, I know the MSM occasionally get stuff wrong, but that site is to news what cricketfieldclaret is to incoming transfers.
I mean, I know the MSM occasionally get stuff wrong, but that site is to news what cricketfieldclaret is to incoming transfers.
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Succinct and factual?Lancasterclaret wrote:Do you post any other links than Breitbart ones?
I mean, I know the MSM occasionally get stuff wrong, but that site is to news what cricketfieldclaret is to incoming transfers.
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Breitbart? never heard of them who owns them?
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There's a misconception about zero hours contracts. Sure, for a small number of people they don't work but for the majority they do.
One way of achieving a balance would be to legislate that larger employers can only have a small proportion of the workforce on them, say 10%.
That would give the employer adequate flexibility to cope with volatility.
We used to run "Flexible Hours Contracts" years ago to good effect and mutual benefit.
It started to go wrong in the Blair/Brown "loads of money/things can only get better" yuppie era (initiated by Thatcher) where everyone wants to be an agent or outsourcer living off another's back.
Greed culture is the problem, not the structure of shift systems and work patterns.
One way of achieving a balance would be to legislate that larger employers can only have a small proportion of the workforce on them, say 10%.
That would give the employer adequate flexibility to cope with volatility.
We used to run "Flexible Hours Contracts" years ago to good effect and mutual benefit.
It started to go wrong in the Blair/Brown "loads of money/things can only get better" yuppie era (initiated by Thatcher) where everyone wants to be an agent or outsourcer living off another's back.
Greed culture is the problem, not the structure of shift systems and work patterns.
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"Brian the dog" off Family Guy and "Bart Simpson" in a joint venture to make a bit of cash between seriesSouth West Claret. wrote:Breitbart? never heard of them who owns them?
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I suspect you have your balance the wrong way round basil - they work for a small number of people but are massively restrictive to a vast majority of those on them.basil6345789 wrote:There's a misconception about zero hours contracts. Sure, for a small number of people they don't work but for the majority they do.
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It's like losing 21,000 police officers and then celebrating bringing 1200 back to the force, claiming it's the biggest enrolment for 10 years.
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Anyone on here had a wage rise in line with inflation recently? Can't say that I ever had. Just been told that we're not getting a wage rise (even though it was meant to be a measly 1%).
I apparently earn more than the average wage yet can't afford things like Sky, fancy phones, a new car, holidays, meals out or going down the pub - how do other people manage it???
I apparently earn more than the average wage yet can't afford things like Sky, fancy phones, a new car, holidays, meals out or going down the pub - how do other people manage it???
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It depends on your relationship status imo. Im single and living alone.Foulthrow wrote:Anyone on here had a wage rise in line with inflation recently? Can't say that I ever had. Just been told that we're not getting a wage rise (even though it was meant to be a measly 1%).
I apparently earn more than the average wage yet can't afford things like Sky, fancy phones, a new car, holidays, meals out or going down the pub - how do other people manage it???
A few years ago I made a list of things I wanted and things I wanted to do and places I wanted to go to. A pro and cons if you will. I simply listed them and listed things to cut back on. I very rarely go out for a drink and don’t ever go out eating. Most of my friends have kids so I’m not remotely imterested in going out with when they get together.
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Wasn't Trump very close to this lot with all his mis-info leading up to the election - make the Daily Mail look normalSouth West Claret. wrote:Breitbart? never heard of them who owns them?
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"Zero hours contracts" is no different from casual wages, which have been running since for ever. The basic difference is that the employer now has to do vast amounts of paperwork for PAYE every time he pays anyone casual wages, hence the contract element. If the dole office is telling people that rejecting a zero hours contract is the same as rejecting a normal contract, then they are wrong; but otherwise, it's up to an individual whether to take a casual job or whether to move to a "proper" job. But for people who want some element of casual labour in their life, zero hours contracts are pretty much the only legal way to do it.
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Thanks BC do you also knows who publishes it?Bosscat wrote:"Brian the dog" off Family Guy and "Bart Simpson" in a joint venture to make a bit of cash between series
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Given that the figure for people in employment includes people who do 1 hour a week paid work, along with those who do 'unpaid family work', you'd have to be a complete mug to think the government's figures are credible in the slightest.
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Have you a better number?quoonbeatz wrote:Given that the figure for people in employment includes people who do 1 hour a week paid work, along with those who do 'unpaid family work', you'd have to be a complete mug to think the government's figures are credible in the slightest.
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One that doesn't include people who aren't working, for a start.thatdberight wrote:Have you a better number?
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No, it doesn't.ClaretAndJew wrote:Working 1 hour a week puts you in the employed portion of the statistics.
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That's just it.quoonbeatz wrote:One that doesn't include people who aren't working, for a start.
If you stop claiming unemployment benefit you are automatically classed as being in work.
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I think it does. From the ONS;Rowls wrote:No, it doesn't.
"The number of people in employment in the UK is measured by the Labour Force Survey (LFS) and consists of people aged 16 and over who did one hour or more of paid work per week..."
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That's not right, either. Again, from the ONS;Spijed wrote:That's just it.
If you stop claiming unemployment benefit you are automatically classed as being in work.
"The number of economically inactive people in the UK is measured by the Labour Force Survey (LFS) and consists of people aged 16 and over without a job who have not sought work in the last four weeks and/or are not available to start work in the next two weeks..."
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I stand corrected here.thatdberight wrote:I think it does. From the ONS;
"The number of people in employment in the UK is measured by the Labour Force Survey (LFS) and consists of people aged 16 and over who did one hour or more of paid work per week..."
I was confusing it with figures for removal from unemployment benefit.
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Your apology is accepted.Rowls wrote:I stand corrected here.
I was confusing it with figures for removal from unemployment benefit.
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I see what you did there.
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Can't they just keep a score on career dossers and see if that number is falling?
That's what it's all about.
That's what it's all about.
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Unemployment up 600 in Wiltshire and arch leave Europe man, Dyson, is hoovering up his cash and setting up his HQ in Singapore.
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Did you know that UK sales represent only 4% of the company revenue? Not a lot and as Europe is definitely dying on its feet - apart from the UK of course - he has decided to move his head office to a a state stategically and geographically placed to best target the larger developing ASEAN markets. A good company decision.IanMcL wrote:Unemployment up 600 in Wiltshire and arch leave Europe man, Dyson, is hoovering up his cash and setting up his HQ in Singapore.
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Source?Stayingup wrote:Did you know that UK sales represent only 4% of the company revenue? Not a lot and as Europe is definitely dying on its feet - apart from the UK of course - he has decided to move his head office to a a state stategically and geographically placed to best target the larger developing ASEAN markets. A good company decision.
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If a bacon sandwich definitely HP brown ....ClaretAndJew wrote:Source?
Chips definitely ketchup ....
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Can't see that specific but there are numbers from a few years ago which stated 15% UK (albeit expressed in volume) and rapidly shrinking. In the intervening 6 or 7 years since then, their financial pronouncements are constantly saying their growth is outside Europe so, if 4% isn't exactly right, it's certainly directionally right.ClaretAndJew wrote:Source?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19515485" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Does that help you move on to the substance of the debate?
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Globalisation.
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How can you ever realistically check whether someone has been looking for a job?thatdberight wrote:That's not right, either. Again, from the ONS;
"The number of economically inactive people in the UK is measured by the Labour Force Survey (LFS) and consists of people aged 16 and over without a job who have not sought work in the last four weeks and/or are not available to start work in the next two weeks..."
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You could always ask them.Spijed wrote:How can you ever realistically check whether someone has been looking for a job?
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To move one's HQ to such a country, does not sat much for Britain's chances when it had to go alone, if it's allegedly star company decides it is bad for business to stay.Stayingup wrote:Did you know that UK sales represent only 4% of the company revenue? Not a lot and as Europe is definitely dying on its feet - apart from the UK of course - he has decided to move his head office to a a state stategically and geographically placed to best target the larger developing ASEAN markets. A good company decision.
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So, you're suggesting this is Brexit-related? What's your thinking on that?IanMcL wrote:To move one's HQ to such a country, does not sat much for Britain's chances when it had to go alone, if it's allegedly star company decides it is bad for business to stay.
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You don't see the breathtaking hypocrisy in this then?
I want Brexit cos it will be great for business says James Dyson and sixty odd days before we leave, he ups sticks to Singapore.
That leaves Tim "Nice but Dim" of Wetherspoons and the bloke from JCB who has enough spare cash to pay David Davis £3000 an hour.
With friends like these, Brexit doesn't really need enemies does it?
And its not shock to find that JCB also hand out large sums to Boris Johnson and Daniel Hannan.
I want Brexit cos it will be great for business says James Dyson and sixty odd days before we leave, he ups sticks to Singapore.
That leaves Tim "Nice but Dim" of Wetherspoons and the bloke from JCB who has enough spare cash to pay David Davis £3000 an hour.
With friends like these, Brexit doesn't really need enemies does it?
And its not shock to find that JCB also hand out large sums to Boris Johnson and Daniel Hannan.
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It'll be undemocratic to have a second referendum but people in power being paid 60 grand a year for a fake job is absolutely normal and fine.
(David Davis had a pretend job at JCB)
Source? Of frigging course there is
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/c ... _david.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(David Davis had a pretend job at JCB)
Source? Of frigging course there is
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/c ... _david.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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1/. Use of foodbanks, number of individuals helped by foodbanks and tonnage of food distributed, all at massively increased level.
2/. An extract from UN Envoy's report on Britain last year;
The results? 14 million people, a fifth of the population, live in poverty. Four million of these are more than 50% below the poverty line, and 1.5 million are destitute, unable to afford basic essentials. The widely respected Institute for Fiscal Studies predicts a 7% rise in child poverty between 2015 and 2022, and various sources predict child poverty rates of as high as 40%. For almost one in every two children to be poor in twenty-first century Britain is not just a disgrace, but a social calamity and an economic disaster, all rolled into one.
Household debt at record highs.
Need I go on?
This is just my guess. Employment is up because the benefits system forces you to take a zero hours contract on minimum wage.
You might if you are lucky, get a couple of days work per week. The benefit system that is supposed to make up your wage so that you can survive (Universal Credit) doesn't/isn't working. So what do you do, I assume you go to the foodbank and use payday loans.
But let the Tories brag about the employment rate and close their eyes to what is actually happening.
2/. An extract from UN Envoy's report on Britain last year;
The results? 14 million people, a fifth of the population, live in poverty. Four million of these are more than 50% below the poverty line, and 1.5 million are destitute, unable to afford basic essentials. The widely respected Institute for Fiscal Studies predicts a 7% rise in child poverty between 2015 and 2022, and various sources predict child poverty rates of as high as 40%. For almost one in every two children to be poor in twenty-first century Britain is not just a disgrace, but a social calamity and an economic disaster, all rolled into one.
Household debt at record highs.
Need I go on?
This is just my guess. Employment is up because the benefits system forces you to take a zero hours contract on minimum wage.
You might if you are lucky, get a couple of days work per week. The benefit system that is supposed to make up your wage so that you can survive (Universal Credit) doesn't/isn't working. So what do you do, I assume you go to the foodbank and use payday loans.
But let the Tories brag about the employment rate and close their eyes to what is actually happening.
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The reason food bank use is massively up is because food banks are no longer seen as the last resort for the destitute, they are now seen as a way of getting food without having to cut back on other spending. Most people now, if they are short of money and can't afford both their mobile phone contract and food purchases, will pay their mobile phone contract and get the free food. Once of a day, food would have been the priority and other expenses would be cut first.
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Source?dsr wrote:The reason food bank use is massively up is because food banks are no longer seen as the last resort for the destitute, they are now seen as a way of getting food without having to cut back on other spending. Most people now, if they are short of money and can't afford both their mobile phone contract and food purchases, will pay their mobile phone contract and get the free food. Once of a day, food would have been the priority and other expenses would be cut first.
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Source? The Institute of the Blindingly Obvious. You don't need a source for what can be clearly seen.ClaretAndJew wrote:Source?
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He saw it on the massive telly that these people own. They were probably smoking as well.ClaretAndJew wrote:Source?
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Source? James Dyson and FT.ClaretAndJew wrote:Source?
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See below.aggi wrote:He saw it on the massive telly that these people own. They were probably smoking as well.
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Finanacial press and quote - James Dyson. He happens to own this hufely successful company a d its university.aggi wrote:He saw it on the massive telly that these people own. They were probably smoking as well.
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I eventually found the 4% in the FT. Their piece on the Dyson move is interesting.Stayingup wrote:Source? James Dyson and FT.