Nicola Sturgeon

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:09 pm

Has said live on TV outside Downing Street that it is her intention to demand a New Scottish Independence Vote within weeks.
She also wants a 2nd EU Referendum in an attempt to keep the UK in the EU, buts wants to leave the UK and initially that EU membership.
Surely it is the case that the Scottish Vote would have to be first, or how could Scottish votes be included in an EU vote for the UK if they then voted for independence from the UK within weeks of it.
That woman makes me want to vote for Scottish independence and surely if they vote on a UK matter we can vote on a Scottish matter, only fair.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:12 pm

It wouldn't worry me in the slightest if the Scots got another vote and decided to leave the UK. Don't think it will happen soon though.

theroyaldyche · Post by **theroyaldyche** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:13 pm

Any relation to Gav?

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:16 pm

I would have thought she'd want the UK out of the EU so she has an excuse for another Scottish referendum.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:18 pm

we dont want to upset her, she might send in the caviarly.

(best i could do on short notice)

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:22 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:we dont want to upset her, she might send in the caviarly.

(best i could do on short notice)

Or come home with the crabs ..

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:24 pm

Seeing as she claims Scotland voted remain, I suggest they have the vote prior to a second referendum.
It would strengthen Brexits hand

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:24 pm

Essential that the EU vote to remain is successful, otherwise the folk of Scotland will have to go for divorce. Economically, Scotland needs Europe.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:37 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:Seeing as she claims Scotland voted remain, I suggest they have the vote prior to a second referendum.
It would strengthen Brexits hand

That's what I'm getting at, surely she has null and voided Scottish participation in The UK EU issue if there is a serious doubt about Scotland's place in the UK.
She hasn't said that the Independence Vote is only intended if the UK leave the EU, she has stated continuously that it is her desire.
The last Scottish Independence vote was in 2014 and the Brexit Vote was 2016.
Ironically the 2014 Vote if won would have taken Scotland, maybe temporarily out of Europe and meant a Hard Border?????

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:38 pm

I'm not good on stats Ian, but don't something like 70% of Scottish exports go to the rest of the U.K.?

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:38 pm

I wonder if her grip on fiscal policy is any better than when she thought that high oil prices would fund the SNP's future for Scotland. I think she was about 25 billion out the last time I heard. A one issue politician and an absolute poltroon for trying to get another referendum after only 4 years since her party's beating. They do indeed need the EU though

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:42 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:I wonder if her grip on fiscal policy is any better than when she thought that high oil prices would fund the SNP's future for Scotland. I think she was about 25 billion out the last time I heard. A one issue politician and an absolute poltroon for trying to get another referendum after only 4 years since her party's beating. They do indeed need the EU though

Every day is a school day, thanks for that.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:49 pm

It's England they want to part from if their being honest. The same England that subsidises there education health methadone treatments and infrastructure. The same England that buys their scotch and has had to put up with sh1te such as the Krankies and the tedius hogmonay programmes so as not to offend the skirt wearing self important mountain dwellers. F me it's English companies who get the oil out.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:59 pm

Vino blanco wrote:I'm not good on stats Ian, but don't something like 70% of Scottish exports go to the rest of the U.K.?

They need the peeps and the tariff free links.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:02 pm

bfcjg wrote:It's England they want to part from if their being honest. The same England that subsidises there education health methadone treatments and infrastructure. The same England that buys their scotch and has had to put up with sh1te such as the Krankies and the tedius hogmonay programmes so as not to offend the skirt wearing self important mountain dwellers. F me it's English companies who get the oil out.

The several spelling mistakes suggests you don't really know much about anything, so have to resort to silly insults.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:03 pm

bfcjg wrote:It's England they want to part from if their* being honest. The same England that subsidises there** education health methadone treatments and infrastructure. The same England that buys their scotch and has had to put up with sh1te such as the Krankies and the tedius hogmonay programmes so as not to offend the skirt wearing self important mountain dwellers. F me it's English companies who get the oil out.

*they're
** their

If you're criticising them for wanting to leave England because of education then you've made thereiery're point for them.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:11 pm

IanMcL wrote:They need the peeps and the tariff free links.

Peeps

and in your reply pulling duncan up
thereiery're

And you pull people up for spelling/grammar who do you think you are "Stavros"

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:12 pm

Bosscat wrote:Peeps
And you pull people up for spelling/grammar who do you think you are "Stavros"

Up the Arse!

Ps Peeps is spelt correctly!

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:12 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:*they're
** their

If you're criticising them for wanting to leave England because of education then you've made thereiery're point for them.

What's a thereiery're point ? Is it Scottish slang ?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:15 pm

bfcjg wrote:What's a thereiery're point ? Is it Scottish slang ?

Looks like a combination of some of your errors.

Hogmanay

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:16 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Has said live on TV outside Downing Street that it is her intention to demand a New Scottish Independence Vote within weeks.
She also wants a 2nd EU Referendum in an attempt to keep the UK in the EU, buts wants to leave the UK and initially that EU membership.
Surely it is the case that the Scottish Vote would have to be first, or how could Scottish votes be included in an EU vote for the UK if they then voted for independence from the UK within weeks of it.
That woman makes me want to vote for Scottish independence and surely if they vote on a UK matter we can vote on a Scottish matter, only fair.

Excellent news.

Cheerio!

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:17 pm

IanMcL wrote:The several spelling mistakes suggests you don't really know much about anything, so have to resort to silly insults.

If I might be so churlish to suggest you didn't need to start with the. Several spelling mistakes would suffice. Again much about anything,why not just put you don't know very much. Are you just a windbag ?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:19 pm

bfcjg wrote:If I might be so churlish to suggest you didn't need to start with the. Several spelling mistakes would suffice. Again much about anything,why not just put you don't know very much. Are you just a windbag ?

Emphasis

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:23 pm

IanMcL wrote:Up the Arse!

Ps Peeps is spelt correctly!

thereiery're

Give up sonny while you have some dignity left

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:30 pm

IanMcL wrote:Emphasis

Emphasise.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:07 pm

bfcjg wrote:Emphasise.

Its not IanMcL's night tonight bfcjg

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:34 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:...thereiery're point...

Wasted on them.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:42 pm

Are the two positions not mutually exclusive?

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:43 pm

Horrid politics from a toxic politician. She pushed for a referendum of a generation, yet here we are 4 years later and she’s pushing it again.

If she looks at Brexit and sees how messy this is, imagine a Scottish divorce, it’d be chaos. The country would be bankrupt half way through the negotiation period, The UK wouldn’t negotiate favourably, she’d never get a hard border and she’d need to continue to trade with us. Her only hand is to drive oil prices up, I think she would struggle with that as the Saudis would put her in place and bankrupt her within a year.

The Russians would be all over that airspace, Scotland has no airforce so would need an ‘agreement’ with the UK. It has no marine forces so would need an agreement with the UK to protect its borders. She could convince the French to step in and take that responsibility but they’ll be too busy protecting their fishing fleet that’s being bombed into oblivion by the Royal Navy.

Horrid politics, horrid political sense, horrid politician.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:44 pm

One can only hope.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:34 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:Horrid politics from a toxic politician. She pushed for a referendum of a generation, yet here we are 4 years later and she’s pushing it again.

If she looks at Brexit and sees how messy this is, imagine a Scottish divorce, it’d be chaos. The country would be bankrupt half way through the negotiation period, The UK wouldn’t negotiate favourably, she’d never get a hard border and she’d need to continue to trade with us. Her only hand is to drive oil prices up, I think she would struggle with that as the Saudis would put her in place and bankrupt her within a year.

The Russians would be all over that airspace, Scotland has no airforce so would need an ‘agreement’ with the UK. It has no marine forces so would need an agreement with the UK to protect its borders. She could convince the French to step in and take that responsibility but they’ll be too busy protecting their fishing fleet that’s being bombed into oblivion by the Royal Navy.

Horrid politics, horrid political sense, horrid politician.

The killer question during the 2014 referendum came from Alistair Darling,who simply inquired which currency an independent Scotland would use and which central bank would be a guarantor for any such currency,the reply was Scotland would continue to use the pound sterling,perfectly reasonable answer you might think,but if this scenario had played out an independent Scotland would have been tied to any decisions the Bank of England decided to take regarding fiscal policy (interest rates for example) hardly a big selling point for wavering voters.

Sturgeon needs to concentrate on her day-to-day business at Holyrood rather than selling a pipe dream of freedom.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:45 pm

Maybe she's trying to deflect from her own problems at home by travelling to London. She's under investigation by the Scottish parliament for talking to Alex Salmon during his suspension something she's admitted too already.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:50 pm

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:Maybe she's trying to deflect from her own problems at home by travelling to London. She's under investigation by the Scottish parliament for talking to Alex Salmon during his suspension something she's admitted too already.

I'm not sure why she needs to hop down to London all the time,Ian Blackford is the SNP'S group leader in the HOC,nippy isn't even an MP.

Claretitus · Post by **Claretitus** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:53 pm

Let the sweaty socks have their independence referendum. Hopefully, this time they will vote yes. I for one would volunteer to help re-build Hadrians Wall, but this time, lets build it taller.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:16 pm

bfcjg wrote:It's England they want to part from if their being honest. The same England that subsidises there education health methadone treatments and infrastructure. The same England that buys their scotch and has had to put up with sh1te such as the Krankies and the tedius hogmonay programmes so as not to offend the skirt wearing self important mountain dwellers. F me it's English companies who get the oil out.

In a nutshell.
I can understand Scotland not wanting to be run from Westminster. They are a socialist country, and many communities in the north of England feel disenfranchised as well. So why would they want to be run from Brussels.......

It's got nothing to do with being pro Europe or even independent, she's just anti English.

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:27 pm

Let Scotland have a 2nd vote. They'd probably vote to stay with us but if they decided to divorce us we could charge them 40 million.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:30 pm

tiger76 wrote:The killer question during the 2014 referendum came from Alistair Darling,who simply inquired which currency an independent Scotland would use and which central bank would be a guarantor for any such currency,the reply was Scotland would continue to use the pound sterling,perfectly reasonable answer you might think,but if this scenario had played out an independent Scotland would have been tied to any decisions the Bank of England decided to take regarding fiscal policy (interest rates for example) hardly a big selling point for wavering voters.

Sturgeon needs to concentrate on her day-to-day business at Holyrood rather than selling a pipe dream of freedom.

If she wants Scotland to leave the UK and apply to join the EU, then the currency will be the Euro. No difficulty there.

But the idea suggested earlier that Scotland will need to join the EU because financially they can't do without it - surely not. Their biggest export market, by far, will be the UK. If they are out of Europe, then they will want to keep tariff-free imports and exports with their biggest trading partner. They won't want to put barriers on trade with the UK just so they can remove them from trade with the EU. Well, they might - but it won't be the best financial option.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:31 pm

basil6345789 wrote:Let Scotland have a 2nd vote. They'd probably vote to stay with us but if they decided to divorce us we could charge them 40 million.

Lancaster and the late Turtle were always adamant, correctly, that the EU would be as nasty as possible and screw the worst, unfairest deal possible out of Brexit, simply to encourage other countries to remain. I wonder if they expect the UK to do the same to Scotland? I hope we're better than that.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:33 pm

basil6345789 wrote:Let Scotland have a 2nd vote. They'd probably vote to stay with us but if they decided to divorce us we could charge them 40 million.

couple of zeros missing there (before the decimal point)

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:56 pm

Having lived up in Scotland, the vast majority of normal working folk seemed to dislike the SNP. Most of the lazy liked the SNP.......

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:41 am

Chester Perry wrote:couple of zeros missing there (before the decimal point)

Decimal point is fine. It should be a B and not a M!!

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:03 am

IanMcL wrote:Essential that the EU vote to remain is successful, otherwise the folk of Scotland will have to go for divorce. Economically, Scotland needs Europe.

The last Scot Indie Vote was 2014
Brexit was 2016
Wouldn't that have taken Scotland out of The EU if successful.
I don't believe that Scotland had assurances from the EU as to automatic membership.
Plus if they had to pay say 15 Billion a year to get 10 Billion back it would have soured the taste a little compared to currently paying FA and receiving Billions.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:54 am

Entirely false BleedingC, although if any of it was correct, you would have been logically right!

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:36 am

I don't believe in ANY political party lead by a woman. That's why my sentiments have always been with the LibDems. Oops. There was that Jeremy Thorpe "guy", wasn't there.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:13 am

House !

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:06 am

The Jockanese will always vote for dependence, their meal ticket is too generous to vote otherwise.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:04 am

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:Maybe she's trying to deflect from her own problems at home by travelling to London. She's under investigation by the Scottish parliament for talking to Alex Salmon during his suspension something she's admitted too already.

In this case I think she tried her best in an awkward situation. She is I believe a close friend of Salmon and of course an admirer of his achievements. I reckon this is something about nothing, just a way of those who oppose her to get at her.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:15 am

basil6345789 wrote:Let Scotland have a 2nd vote. They'd probably vote to stay with us but if they decided to divorce us we could charge them 40 million.

Billion!

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:39 am

Alex Salmond arrested and charged. (BBC)

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:59 am

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:
She's under investigation by the Scottish parliament for talking to Alex Salmon during his suspension something she's admitted too already.

Sturgeon / Salmond 2 fish that **** in the same pond