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Tina Malone
The Shameless and Brookside actress facing a court case after allegedly posting images of Jon Venables,pathetic this pair of scumbags have been given all this,new identies funded by the taxpayers of course,well the Bulger family have to live with this hideous act for the rest of their lives,Venables has also been jailed twice for making and possessing indecent images of children hardly a reformed character.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... e-46994353
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Re: Tina Malone
I wonder what the cost has been to protect the Bulger killers ..It must run into millions over the years.. Now another fortune to prosecute Tina Malone..
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If their identities were in the public domain how many people who looked like them do you think would have been attacked or even killed?tiger76 wrote:The Shameless and Brookside actress facing a court case after allegedly posting images of Jon Venables,pathetic this pair of scumbags have been given all this,new identies funded by the taxpayers of course,well the Bulger family have to live with this hideous act for the rest of their lives,Venables has also been jailed twice for making and possessing indecent images of children hardly a reformed character.
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Re: Tina Malone
Could that not apply to anyone? There's a bloke in Clitheroe looks like Jimmy Savile but he's never been attacked. I think people get annoyed with the weight of the so called justice system always on the side of the criminals.Spijed wrote:If their identities were in the public domain how many people who looked like them do you think would have been attacked or even killed?
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The fact that Jimmy Savile is actually dead might be the reason that the guy in Clitheroe has never been attacked.Pimlico_Claret wrote:Could that not apply to anyone? There's a bloke in Clitheroe looks like Jimmy Savile but he's never been attacked. I think people get annoyed with the weight of the so called justice system always on the side of the criminals.
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You are assuming that people who would assault look a like criminals actually have a lot of common sense, unlikely! There are people who think TV characters are real.Spijed wrote:The fact that Jimmy Savile is actually dead might be the reason that the guy in Clitheroe has never been attacked.
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Jimmy Savile was real.Pimlico_Claret wrote:You are assuming that people who would assault look a like criminals actually have a lot of common sense, unlikely! There are people who think TV characters are real.
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Re: Tina Malone
Shel do zero jail time
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No way! My point was that it wouldn't matter if images of the Bulger murderers were made public, there are enough brainless idiots around to hurl abuse at soap actors, thinking they are real people. If someone really wants to take the law into their own hands, they will do it anyway.Quicknick wrote:Jimmy Savile was real.
What annoys most decent people about this case is the amount of money that has been spent protecting and supporting the murderers from the minute they commited the horrendous crime, to the present day.
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Re: Tina Malone
The mark of all civilised countries is respect for the rule of law.
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You are so wrong just look how well Iranians stick to their own laws and how the perpetrators are criminally assasinated.Oshkoshclaret wrote:The mark of all civilised countries is respect for the rule of law.
Which law is it you mean , our laws the UK
Sorry Iranians on her for proving a point!
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Who's law is it ??Oshkoshclaret wrote:The mark of all civilised countries is respect for the rule of law.
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Hardly a good example! Jimmy Saville is long dead, and they even dug him up and moved his body to another site, no?Pimlico_Claret wrote:Could that not apply to anyone? There's a bloke in Clitheroe looks like Jimmy Savile but he's never been attacked. I think people get annoyed with the weight of the so called justice system always on the side of the criminals.
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Iran isn’t a civilised country, therefore it doesn’t adhere to laws.Bfcboyo wrote:You are so wrong just look how well Iranians stick to their own laws and how the perpetrators are criminally assasinated.
Which law is it you mean , our laws the UK
Sorry Iranians on her for proving a point!
It might appear it does, you see the strictness of their law not the due process, of which there is none.
Venables and Thompson were children, children with horrendous expose to violence, drug use and all manner of terrible things in their social sphere. Children don’t learn to be evil they’re taught.
THIS DOESNT EXCUSE THEIR ACTIONS, OR GUILT.
But it does give them context, and it does mean that they shouldn’t have been persecuted, they shouldn’t have been judged in the media, and they shouldn’t continue to be judged in the media by Malone for that crime.
We as a nation have a criminal legal age that is too low, the evidence of child development, growth and maturity doesn’t support criminalising children. It is simply not their fault. It is the manner in which they’re exposed to ‘norms’ growing up, they’re ability to rest and be shaped by their environment and care givers around them. Compounded by sending two of the most famous criminals in Britain to a young offenders unit which makes them targets for everyone. They spent most of their time together on a special wing because of the attack’s they suffered, educated alone, etc.
The nuro science and evidence is compounding about this subject. Lots of western cultures recognise this and have changed their legal criminal age to reflect this. Denmark is a prime example of how society can teach and mould its wayward youth.
The parents should’ve been on trial not the children, the children should’ve been taken away and given a chance to become better members of society.
Venables should and has been tried as an adult for his actions since, he obviously revels in his fame.
Thompson is getting on with his life.
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. suggests that Danieljwaterhouse reads a book called ‘A Mother’s Reckoning’ and has a re-think about what he’s just posted.Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Venables and Thompson were children, children with horrendous expose to violence, drug use and all manner of terrible things in their social sphere. Children don’t learn to be evil they’re taught.
THIS DOESNT EXCUSE THEIR ACTIONS, OR GUILT.
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The parents should’ve been on trial not the children, the children should’ve been taken away and given a chance to become better members of society.
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You cannot draw comparisons between two different criminal actions, in two different cultures, with two different age groups.
Danieljwaterhouse suggests . is a coffee before he types what he’s just posted.
Danieljwaterhouse suggests . is a coffee before he types what he’s just posted.
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. is a coffee? . laughs at this joker for both his original and follow up posts.Danieljwaterhouse wrote:You cannot draw comparisons between two different criminal actions, in two different cultures, with two different age groups.
Danieljwaterhouse suggests . is a coffee before he types what he’s just posted.
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Re: Tina Malone
Tell me how you’re comparing a 17 and 18 year olds actions to a 10 year olds?
How you can compare a shooting and murder to an abduction and murder?
How can you compare British and American culture and societal influences in respect to the upbringing of a child?
The two are incomparable, and to suggest that a book outlining a mother’s grief and accountability in the USA sheds light on the historical failings of our social care and society in Britain is a farce.
How you can compare a shooting and murder to an abduction and murder?
How can you compare British and American culture and societal influences in respect to the upbringing of a child?
The two are incomparable, and to suggest that a book outlining a mother’s grief and accountability in the USA sheds light on the historical failings of our social care and society in Britain is a farce.
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Strong words for a message board but evidently a load of shite.Danieljwaterhouse wrote:Iran isn’t a civilised country, therefore it doesn’t adhere to laws.
It might appear it does, you see the strictness of their law not the due process, of which there is none.
Venables and Thompson were children, children with horrendous expose to violence, drug use and all manner of terrible things in their social sphere. Children don’t learn to be evil they’re taught.
THIS DOESNT EXCUSE THEIR ACTIONS, OR GUILT.
But it does give them context, and it does mean that they shouldn’t have been persecuted, they shouldn’t have been judged in the media, and they shouldn’t continue to be judged in the media by Malone for that crime.
We as a nation have a criminal legal age that is too low, the evidence of child development, growth and maturity doesn’t support criminalising children. It is simply not their fault. It is the manner in which they’re exposed to ‘norms’ growing up, they’re ability to rest and be shaped by their environment and care givers around them. Compounded by sending two of the most famous criminals in Britain to a young offenders unit which makes them targets for everyone. They spent most of their time together on a special wing because of the attack’s they suffered, educated alone, etc.
The nuro science and evidence is compounding about this subject. Lots of western cultures recognise this and have changed their legal criminal age to reflect this. Denmark is a prime example of how society can teach and mould its wayward youth.
The parents should’ve been on trial not the children, the children should’ve been taken away and given a chance to become better members of society.
Venables should and has been tried as an adult for his actions since, he obviously revels in his fame.
Thompson is getting on with his life.
I'm sure if you're child had been killed by the **** you would of wanted them to just carry on as normal?
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DJW, what is the criminal record of their parents ?
Does it backup your theory at all ?
Does it backup your theory at all ?
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. used Columbine as an example to show it isn’t always the upbringing or the parents fault as to why kids kill kids.
He compared a shooting and murder to an abduction and murder as they both ended up committing murder. He doesn’t get the point Danieljwaterhouse is trying to make with this one.
He compared a shooting and murder to an abduction and murder as they both ended up committing murder. He doesn’t get the point Danieljwaterhouse is trying to make with this one.
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FactualFrank is surprised that after around 50 posts, Jeremy hasn't yet realised his username doesn't display when he types it.
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Re: Tina Malone
After the failed reform of Venables' after his sentence, his anonymity should have been revoked, with his current whereabouts put in the public domain. I'm sure the fortune that it costs to hide this hideous human being wouldn't be as much....
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Grim reading , but of relevance to your question.Funkydrummer wrote:DJW, what is the criminal record of their parents ?
Does it backup your theory at all ?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/nov ... ationships" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Here's a short extract for those who don't want or don't have time to read the full article.
After the trial, Mr Justice Morland laid the moral responsibility squarely with the parents. He said a public debate about the parenting and family background of Thompson and Venables was required. "In my judgement," he averred, "the home background, upbringing, family circumstances, parental behaviour and relationships were needed in the public domain so that informed and worthwhile debate can take place for the public good in the case of grave crimes by young children."
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Quickenthetempo is surprised that FactualFrank doesn't know the facts about Jeremy knowing his username doesn't come up on this messageboard.FactualFrank wrote:FactualFrank is surprised that after around 50 posts, Jeremy hasn't yet realised his username doesn't display when he types it.
He has discussed this before.
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Thanks for that - a harrowing read but also one with interest and fascination for me. You cannil_desperandum wrote:Grim reading , but of relevance to your question.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/nov ... ationships" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Here's a short extract for those who don't want or don't have time to read the full article.
take on board all that is said in that article but still wonder, say, how the other siblings turned out.
There must be something different in the DNA of these two that made them do what they did.
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That’s why we have a Justice system that serves everyone not just a tool for revenge. Perhaps you should listen to the police interviews of the two 10 year olds before coming out with your trite comments.Quickenthetempo wrote:Strong words for a message board but evidently a load of shite.
I'm sure if you're child had been killed by the **** you would of wanted them to just carry on as normal?
Nobody’s suggesting that they carry on as normal that’s just facile.
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Bobinho thinks that . Is probably as bored as the rest of us with the way he presents his posts...FactualFrank wrote:FactualFrank is surprised that after around 50 posts, Jeremy hasn't yet realised his username doesn't display when he types it.
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Re: Tina Malone
Theres been plenty of horrendous child on child murders but this was the first one that had a real media presence so it becomes much more emotional for people. For those who think this crime was so heinous I would challenge you to tell me about all the child on child murders in the last 10 years as I suspect you dont have a clue about them or give them a second thought because theyve not been sensationalised in the media
My thoughts are that the reason we find these kind of crimes more shocking is because we find it hard to believe a child is capable of this (unlike an adult) but interpret this as it being more evil (when its not)
Who really is more evil - an adult murderer who fully understand the implications of his/her crime and does not care or a young child who is obviously just messed up and really cant comprehend the full consequences of what they have done
There were 3 victims in the Jamie Bulgar case and one victim was lost forever. As a society we had a chance to save 2 victims and turn them into people who could actually become positive good human beings and as much as it is impossible for the friends and family of Jamie Bulgar to forgive them it is the right thing to do
If your issue is about the money spent to protect their identity then you should direct your anger at the mob and media rags who would take the law into their own hands as these are the people why we have to waste millions of pounds on things like this
My thoughts are that the reason we find these kind of crimes more shocking is because we find it hard to believe a child is capable of this (unlike an adult) but interpret this as it being more evil (when its not)
Who really is more evil - an adult murderer who fully understand the implications of his/her crime and does not care or a young child who is obviously just messed up and really cant comprehend the full consequences of what they have done
There were 3 victims in the Jamie Bulgar case and one victim was lost forever. As a society we had a chance to save 2 victims and turn them into people who could actually become positive good human beings and as much as it is impossible for the friends and family of Jamie Bulgar to forgive them it is the right thing to do
If your issue is about the money spent to protect their identity then you should direct your anger at the mob and media rags who would take the law into their own hands as these are the people why we have to waste millions of pounds on things like this
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Re: Tina Malone
How exactly would Tina Malone, of all people, know his identity anyway? She could have posted a picture of absolutely anyone.
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His victim , Jamie, never got the chance to do the same.Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Thompson is getting on with his life.
A quick lethal injection for the pair of them would be justice as far as I'm concerned.
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Hope you don't mind me saying, but that is a sick and worryingly warped view.Devils_Advocate wrote:
There were 3 victims in the Jamie Bulgar case
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Nope dont mind at all and Im sure more people would agree with you than me. In my opinion someone somewhere has completely failed the two children to lead them to commit the crime they didRingoMcCartney wrote:Hope you don't mind me saying, but that is a sick and worryingly warped view.
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I presume you've asked them then?Devils_Advocate wrote: Im sure more people would agree with you than me.
The old "im right, and I know I'm right. Because I'm the one saying it" approach.
It's a pointer to where the sick and worryingly warped view comes from.
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Are you drunk already as your last reply makes no sense at all. Ive given my opinion and conceded that popular thought is more likely to be on your side. Not sure how youve construed that I have a "I am right and I know I am right" attitude from my posts as that is pretty much the exact opposite of my stance on thisRingoMcCartney wrote:I presume you've asked them then?
The old "im right, and I know I'm right. Because I'm the one saying it" approach.
It's a pointer to where the sick and worryingly warped view comes from.
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I read in the paper this morning that she'd Retweeted it on Twitter. Another paper said she'd posted it on Facebook.
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That..... Made me laugh ..quality!Spijed wrote:The fact that Jimmy Savile is actually dead might be the reason that the guy in Clitheroe has never been attacked.
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Isn't retweeting something you know that's breaking the law, a criminal offence in itself?FactualFrank wrote:I read in the paper this morning that she'd Retweeted it on Twitter. Another paper said she'd posted it on Facebook.
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Eh? My point is regarding how bad the papers are at getting things like this correct. And as for Retweeting something, she can say it was in error. Much more believable than posting it herself.Spijed wrote:Isn't retweeting something you know that's breaking the law, a criminal offence in itself?
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Venables and Thompson are infamous because of their age, the media would not be so obsessed with them if they were adult murderers, thats a simple truth. The media fuel a campaign of hatred against these boys and the public fall for it hook, line and sinker.
Anyone heard of David McGreavy? David McGreavy killed 3 children ages 4, 2 and 9 months. He strangled 4 year old Paul, he cut the throat of 2 year old Dawn and 9 month old Samantha died of a compound fracture to the skull. But that wasn't enough for 21 year old McGreavy he then impaled their bodies on garden railings. David McGreavy knew these children, he was their babysitter, he killed them because one of them wouldn't stop crying. Where is the public outrage for this man?
Oh and one other thing, David McGreavy has just been cleared for release by the parole board.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-h ... r-46437471" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Anyone heard of David McGreavy? David McGreavy killed 3 children ages 4, 2 and 9 months. He strangled 4 year old Paul, he cut the throat of 2 year old Dawn and 9 month old Samantha died of a compound fracture to the skull. But that wasn't enough for 21 year old McGreavy he then impaled their bodies on garden railings. David McGreavy knew these children, he was their babysitter, he killed them because one of them wouldn't stop crying. Where is the public outrage for this man?
Oh and one other thing, David McGreavy has just been cleared for release by the parole board.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-h ... r-46437471" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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The parole board are a bunch of spanners then,and if McGreavy reoffends they will have blood on their hands.PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:Venables and Thompson are infamous because of their age, the media would not be so obsessed with them if they were adult murderers, thats a simple truth. The media fuel a campaign of hatred against these boys and the public fall for it hook, line and sinker.
Anyone heard of David McGreavy? David McGreavy killed 3 children ages 4, 2 and 9 months. He strangled 4 year old Paul, he cut the throat of 2 year old Dawn and 9 month old Samantha died of a compound fracture to the skull. But that wasn't enough for 21 year old McGreavy he then impaled their bodies on garden railings. David McGreavy knew these children, he was their babysitter, he killed them because one of them wouldn't stop crying. Where is the public outrage for this man?
Oh and one other thing, David McGreavy has just been cleared for release by the parole board.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-h ... r-46437471" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Tina Malone
I hold my hand up. I misread your post.Devils_Advocate wrote:Are you drunk already as your last reply makes no sense at all. Ive given my opinion and conceded that popular thought is more likely to be on your side. Not sure how youve construed that I have a "I am right and I know I am right" attitude from my posts as that is pretty much the exact opposite of my stance on this
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Should be hands Ringo.. both of themRingoMcCartney wrote:I hold my hand up. I misread your post.