Will dyche ever

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:41 pm

Take a cup seriously?

Very poor. Negative. The system and even passion was abysmal.

Flat back 5. Small striker alone up top. A completely left footed left back at right back.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:45 pm

I doubt it.

He's said time and time again it's not the priority.

Why people bother going on the cup games baffles me

It's not like he doesn't make it clear what to expect, which at least is honest and open. He doesn't try and hoodwink anyone.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:47 pm

Today was really poor even by his standards. So glad I decided against going, after going to Burton and sitting through the Barnsley game this season not sure I'll be able to find the motivation to go to another cup game under Dyche unless his attitude to cup games changes.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:49 pm

In my opinion he rightly used an almost impossible game to win to give game time to fringe players and those returning from injury.

Dyche is judged by our league position, you only have to read this board to see that. If he feels that resting some of our players in an un-winnable game will give us a 1% better chance of taking something at Old Trafford in 3 days time then he’s done the right thing.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:50 pm

It’ll hinder him ever getting a bigger job.

The clubs you’d expect to be looking at him would want to do well in cup competitions. He was even touted as a possible England manager not so long ago.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:53 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:It’ll hinder him ever getting a bigger job.

The clubs you’d expect to be looking at him would want to do well in cup competitions. He was even touted as a possible England manager not so long ago.

If his remit was weighted towards him performing well in cup competitions then I fancy he would take cup games more seriously. As it clearly isn’t it’s understandable that he prioritises the league.

We have been knocked out of the FA cup by Man City the past two seasons now. Hardly shameful.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:56 pm

Rileybobs wrote:In my opinion he rightly used an almost impossible game to win to give game time to fringe players and those returning from injury.

Dyche is judged by our league position, you only have to read this board to see that. If he feels that resting some of our players in an un-winnable game will give us a 1% better chance of taking something at Old Trafford in 3 days time then he’s done the right thing.

Ah, the case of the 1%.

You can use that to justify anything, really. It is nonsense, in my opinion.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:57 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Ah, the case of the 1%.

You can use that to justify anything, really. It is nonsense, in my opinion.

The case of the 1%? I’m not sure I’ve heard of that before.

What other thing could I use it to justify?

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:58 pm

Rileybobs wrote:The case of the 1%? I’m not sure I’ve heard of that before.

What other thing could I use it to justify?

Anything you want.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:59 pm

The reported 40/1 on Betfair was an insult.

Should have been 400/1.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:00 pm

Narr.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:01 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Anything you want.

You’ve lost me. I’m not going to have a curry tonight because there’s a 1% chance it will ruin the taste of tomorrow night’s lasagne. Does that work?

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:03 pm

Rileybobs wrote:You’ve lost me. I’m not going to have a curry tonight because there’s a 1% chance it will ruin the taste of tomorrow night’s lasagne. Does that work?

You should have that curry. If there's even a 1% chance it'll bring you nothing but good luck for the rest of the year, it's worth it.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:05 pm

ksrclaret wrote:You should have that curry. If there's even a 1% chance it'll bring you nothing but good luck for the rest of the year, it's worth it.

Oh, I'll be having that curry alright.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:14 pm

No is the short answer for this most pragmatic of managers.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:48 pm

Looked a decent enough side for me bearing in mind we have 2 injured right backs that were never gonna play . Defour and Brady our 2 most creative players were played as was McNeil and Vydra .Also no issues with Pope and Gibson either . If anyone seriously thinks starting with other combos of our championship level rabble would have made much difference against a simply world class club side they need their heads sorting out or to go easy on the crack or at least have a good sob into their half n half scarves

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:00 pm

Bet some posters are glad of a defeat after the last few weeks!

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:08 pm

We played a fairly strong team given our current injuries.
We got beat by the same score as in the league when we played all the first team.....doesn’t matter what team we picked we had no chance of winning

Claret eze · Post by **Claret eze** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:20 pm

TVC15 wrote:We played a fairly strong team given our current injuries.
We got beat by the same score as in the league when we played all the first team.....doesn’t matter what team we picked we had no chance of winning

City are good.to suggest we could never beat them is pretty pathetic.like our performance today.and I'm on my way back as we speak.

Turfytop · Post by **Turfytop** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:28 pm

MACCA wrote:I doubt it.

He's said time and time again it's not the priority.

Why people bother going on the cup games baffles me

It's not like he doesn't make it clear what to expect, which at least is honest and open. He doesn't try and hoodwink anyone.

Because we are burnley fans mate, you have slated some die hard Clarets on here who dare call the board of directors on the transfer policy, bet they were there today cos we are burnley fans

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:29 pm

I think the stat that we committed one foul in the entire game tells us all we need to know.

But if we end up safe again I don't have a problem with that.

The best chance of a cup run was last season when we were safe by Christmas. But we drew City away. And, as Rileybobs says we gave valuable game time to some players today.

Some people would still moan if we won the cup.

Let's go and do United on Tuesday. I'm in the home end so a 95th minute Barnesy winner will do

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:33 pm

Turfytop wrote:Because we are burnley fans mate, you have slated some die hard Clarets on here who dare call the board of directors on the transfer policy, bet they were there today cos we are burnley fans

Care to elaborate?
I'm confused and not a clue what you are jibbering on about.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:44 pm

Claret eze wrote:City are good.to suggest we could never beat them is pretty pathetic.like our performance today.and I'm on my way back as we speak.

Who suggested that ?
I said we had no chance of winning today - chill your jets.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:45 pm

I don't know why people get excited.
When we were in the Championship and they had no money, they used to tub us anyway.

It's the natural order of things, we will never be as big as them ever again, with or without money.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:57 pm

Dyche’s attitude to the Cups frequently frustrates me, but I think today the negative attitude was justified. The draw was a real downer and I for one couldn’t muster the enthusiasm to go. Coming three days ahead of a difficult league game, I think he was right to make changes for a fixture we were unlikely to win whoever played.

It’s when he makes loads of changes and we end up losing to sh!te like Accy Stanley and Burton that I get really p!55ed off.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:12 pm

Referring to post 21 the best chance we had of a cup run was this season in the Europa. The side that beat us, they would probably have lost had we played our best team, they then proceeded to knock out AC Milan. What a story we would have told our grandkids if the equivalent had happened to us.

So yes, the guy is a complete clown when it comes to cups, pragmatism is in truth fear in disguise which is why I loathe it (fearful of injury, fearful of tiredness, fearful of failure). I can see why he rested some. It’s a balance, but let’s be honest, if it was West Brom at home he would have done the same. I don’t see how anyone can defend it, regardless of the £150m PL pot.

I don't think It helps either. Look at Kevin Long today. As big a shocker as shocker gets, goals 1, 4 and 5 were horrible for him and he had more bad times as well as that. But, just as in Athens, Dyche throws him in the furnace. I have a lot of sympathy for him. You can’t sit on the bench and then be sharp enough to handle City.

Turfytop · Post by **Turfytop** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:15 pm

JohnMac wrote:I don't know why people get excited.
When we were in the Championship and they had no money, they used to tub us anyway.

It's the natural order of things, we will never be as big as them ever again, with or without money.

Should always at least give em a game tho

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:16 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Referring to post 21 the best chance we had of a cup run was this season in the Europa. The side that beat us, they would probably have lost had we played our best team, they then proceeded to knock out AC Milan. What a story we would have told our grandkids if the equivalent had happened to us.

So yes, the guy is a complete clown when it comes to cups, pragmatism is in truth fear in disguise which is why I loathe it (fearful of injury, fearful of tiredness, fearful of failure). I can see why he rested some. It’s a balance, but let’s be honest, if it was West Brom at home he would have done the same. I don’t see how anyone can defend it, regardless of the £150m PL pot.

I don't think It helps either. Look at Kevin Long today. As big a shocker as shocker gets, goals 1, 4 and 5 were horrible for him and he had more bad times as well as that. But, just as in Athens, Dyche throws him in the furnace. I have a lot of sympathy for him. You can’t sit on the bench and then be sharp enough to handle City.

I hope you realise, that we wouldn't have been drawn in the same group as Milan, as the draw method changed from the next round onwards. We wouldn't have had the same number as Olympiakos.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:19 pm

Chris Boden made a good point we had a better chance of beating them when we played them on the turf in the early 90’s when we were in the 4th division and they were in the 1st! If only Rocket Ron had his shooting boots on that day!

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:25 pm

It wasn't a case of taking it seriously - Manchester City are just far too strong at home versus virtually anyone...no matter how many changes they make to their team.

Today was disappointing and a difficult watch but some people need to be more realistic about it.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:26 pm

The bottom 6 PL teams have been turfed out of the FA Cup,4 of them to lower league opposition,4 of the current top six Championship teams have also exited early,it's sad but the reality is survival/promotion to the PL is the holy grail,whether some fans like it or not.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:31 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Chris Boden made a good point we had a better chance of beating them when we played them on the turf in the early 90’s when we were in the 4th division and they were in the 1st! If only Rocket Ron had his shooting boots on that day!

Weren't they a division two side then? Stand to be corrected and I take your point. The phrase 'one way traffic' is often used in football circles and that's what it was today. A steady stream of attacking with more than a hint of menace thrown in. A huge chasm in class and ability.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:34 pm

Man City were in Division One at that stage.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:40 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Man City were in Division One at that stage.

Okay. I do remember the game well and we were always in it despite the 'gap' between the teams. A proper cup tie.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:42 pm

It was.
Colin Hendry took quite a bit of flak that day.
Possibly the last time we gave away fans one of our stands?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:52 pm

West Ham are getting gubbed 3-0 at AFC Wimbledon,who are currently propping up League 1 suppose they aren't taking the cup seriously either.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:13 pm

I think it would be easier to take going out of the cups if we played our strongest team. It's our half arsed approach that frustrates me. Take the Olympiakos away game, it's the what if that kills you. I don't think our first choice back 4 would have conceded 3 goals, but we'll never know will we.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:17 pm

The refs performance at Olympiakos would have made sure we went out even if we had Diego Godin, Raphael Varane, Ben Mee and Giorgino Ciellini in defence.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:18 pm

tiger76

That was exactly the point that I made after the last round of matches. Not only this season but last season as well if you look back at the results with sides competing at the top of the Championship making wholesale changes to their lineups.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:20 pm

jrgbfc wrote:I think it would be easier to take going out of the cups if we played our strongest team. It's our half arsed approach that frustrates me. Take the Olympiakos away game, it's the what if that kills you. I don't think our first choice back 4 would have conceded 3 goals, but we'll never know will we.

But playing our strongest side risks injuries which has a negative impact on our Premier League campaign. There's a lot more money to be made by staying in the Prem, therefore it's a pretty straightforward decision - rest them for the cup.

Had we played our strongest side and lost first team players, people would be saying we shouldn't have started them and should have gone with what we did today. That's how it works.

exilecanada · Post by **exilecanada** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:35 pm

Has it ever occurred to anyone to consider ignoring cup competitions has come from the top of Burnley FC ‘food chain’ in order to focus on PL survival?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:38 pm

exilecanada wrote:Has it ever occurred to anyone to consider ignoring cup competitions has come from the top of Burnley FC ‘food chain’ in order to focus on PL survival?

I imagine so - I for one posted a similar thing just above yours.

Staying in the Prem is priority. Easily.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:52 pm

kentonclaret wrote:tiger76

That was exactly the point that I made after the last round of matches. Not only this season but last season as well if you look back at the results with sides competing at the top of the Championship making wholesale changes to their lineups.

Exactly and if we where,or are in a similar situation in the next few seasons we'd do the same,,whoever the manager happened to be.

The likes of West Brom and Middlesborough won't be judged on reaching the later stages of the FA Cup,although both now face replays,which if they were being honest neither really want.

It's disappointing but that's the nature of the game now i'm afraid,and i can't see this mindset changing anytime soon.

The most famous example is of course Wigan who lifted the FA Cup in 2013 but also went down,and have never recovered since.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:57 pm

The number of vital premier league points lost today.

A grand total of none.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:10 pm

tiger76 wrote:Exactly and if we where,or are in a similar situation in the next few seasons we'd do the same,,whoever the manager happened to be.

The likes of West Brom and Middlesborough won't be judged on reaching the later stages of the FA Cup,although both now face replays,which if they were being honest neither really want.

It's disappointing but that's the nature of the game now i'm afraid,and i can't see this mindset changing anytime soon.

The most famous example is of course Wigan who lifted the FA Cup in 2013 but also went down,and have never recovered since.

Everyone mentions Wigan which indeed is the only FA Cup winner to be relegated.

There have, however been five teams that lost the FA Cup final and were relegated: Manchester City (1926), Leicester City (1969), Brighton & Hove Albion (1983), Middlesbrough (1997) and Portsmouth (2010).

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:13 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Referring to post 21 the best chance we had of a cup run was this season in the Europa. The side that beat us, they would probably have lost had we played our best team, they then proceeded to knock out AC Milan. What a story we would have told our grandkids if the equivalent had happened to us.

You mean the side who are currently 2nd in the Greek Super League? Lost twice all season? After we had beaten the team who were 6 points clear this morning at the top of the Turkish Super Lig and the team who sit 3rd in the Scottish Premier League whilst utilising the same sort of team line-ups?

JTClaret · Post by **JTClaret** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:16 pm

I do worry that the Europa League didn't teach us that changing the team doesn't work for us - and I don't think ever has under Dyche

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:18 pm

FactualFrank wrote:But playing our strongest side risks injuries which has a negative impact on our Premier League campaign. There's a lot more money to be made by staying in the Prem, therefore it's a pretty straightforward decision - rest them for the cup.

Had we played our strongest side and lost first team players, people would be saying we shouldn't have started them and should have gone with what we did today. That's how it works.

As with Olympiakos though the transfer window is still open so thats a poor excuse.

And if we are only arsed about the balance sheet we might as well just start watching the national lottery instead.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:21 pm

And is it proved that having a good run in the Cup is bad for League form? When we first got promoted into the Premier League, we had that run to the League Cup semis and played 5 FA Cup games too. Would our league season have been better if we'd got knocked out of both early on? No it wouldn't.

What sticks in my throat is that, if all goes to plan, I will never again have the chance to see Burnley win something. We won't even try to win the FA Cup, the League Cup, or a European Trophy, there's no realistic chance of winning the League, so unless we get relegated that's it. Nothing to win. I've been a season ticket holder since 86-7, and we've won promotion 6 times, including a couple of Wembley play-offs and a couple of Championships, reached Wembley in the Sherpa Van, reached the League Cup semi, qualified for Europe (not realising it meant nothing) - we've had an extremely exciting time. I've had a great ride. Now, the club's ambition is boredom - make sure we never have any exciting moments, and wave a bank statement in the air instead of a cup. Yippee.

I went on Accrington today, as I do quite often. At least they try and win things.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:24 pm

FactualFrank wrote:But playing our strongest side risks injuries which has a negative impact on our Premier League campaign. There's a lot more money to be made by staying in the Prem, therefore it's a pretty straightforward decision - rest them for the cup.

Had we played our strongest side and lost first team players, people would be saying we shouldn't have started them and should have gone with what we did today. That's how it works.

Maybe some of us think football should be about more than aiming to finish 17th every year and banking a nice profit? Why don't we all just give our season tickets up and spend Saturday afternoons sat at home studying our latest set of accounts then?