No Sam Vokes ?

[IWOODLOVETT]

Make-weight in a deal for Joe Allen?

[Devils_Advocate]

Off to Canvey Island apparently

[piston broke]

If he can’t get on as a sub his days are numbered.
Making sure he doesn’t get injured before the sale?

[Steve1956]

Off to Canvey Island apparently

Joe Allen is to good for Canvey Island

[SGr]

Not starting him alongside Vydra was a bizarre decision which I can only put down to wanting to prove a point to the board or something.

Playing a team as good as City and we don’t want a target man as an outlet?? Madness.

[Steve1956]

Not starting him alongside Vydra was a bizarre decision which I can only put down to wanting to prove a point to the board or something.

Playing a team as good as City and we don’t want a target man as an outlet?? Madness.

Wouldn't have mattered who we played we would still have got hammered,there was a little kid predicting results on football focus,he was an Accrington fan,fair play to the kid he said 5-0 even he knew

[SGr]

Wouldn't have mattered who we played we would still have got hammered,there was a little kid predicting results on football focus,he was an Accrington fan,fair play to the kid he said 5-0 even he knew

Not saying we wouldn’t have lost, but why make such a decision? Vydra on his own up front wouldn’t have worked against whoever we played. Derby fans will tell you it didn’t work for them, he was signed on the back of a season in which he scored more than 20 goals from the number 10 spot behind the striker.

This for me goes further than just a simple team selection.

[Steve1956]

Not saying we wouldn’t have lost, but why make such a decision? Vydra on his own up front wouldn’t have worked against whoever we played. Derby fans will tell you it didn’t work for them, he was signed on the back of a season in which he scored more than 20 goals from the number 10 spot behind the striker.

This for me goes further than just a simple team selection.

Ok...you win.

[TheFamilyCat]

Not saying we wouldn’t have lost, but why make such a decision? Vydra on his own up front wouldn’t have worked against whoever we played. Derby fans will tell you it didn’t work for them, he was signed on the back of a season in which he scored more than 20 goals from the number 10 spot behind the striker.

This for me goes further than just a simple team selection.

The words “tin”, “foil” and “hat” spring to mind.

[Bin Ont Turf]

The words “tin”, “foil” and “hat” spring to mind.

Actually the words "What", "a", "load", "of" and "b0llocks" spring to mind.

[JTClaret]

Vydra and Vokes does appear to be a very Burnley Championship winning forward line (Vokes/Ings, Vokes/Gray)

Has it been tried for a game? (Can't think off the top of my head)

[cricketfieldclarets]

Was the obvious front two today. Must have hurt sam to not even feature. The treatment of vokes is bizarre at times. Have to say i think hes off based on today.

[FactualFrank]

Vydra and Vokes does appear to be a very Burnley Championship winning forward line (Vokes/Ings, Vokes/Gray)

Has it been tried for a game? (Can't think off the top of my head)

What about Vydra and Wood?
Both have been the Championship top goalscorers in their own right, so those 2 together would be pretty mean.

Have they been tried?

[wilks_bfc]

Apparently Stoke are interested in him, along with Austin

[claretdj]

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£9m? Adios Sam!

[FactualFrank]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -mark.html
£9m? Adios Sam!

Would only make sense if SD rates Vydra. I know Wood-Barnes is our best front two but it leaves little in reserve.

Or is McNeil going up top?

[Grimsdale]

Or maybe we are in for Vincent Janssen after all.

[FactualFrank]

Or maybe we are in for Vincent Janssen after all.

More chance of us signing vincent van gogh.

[The Enclosure]

More chance of us signing vincent van gogh.

I saw a guy with one ear in a Renault Clio filling up with petrol in Padiham yesterday. ??

[BFCmaj]

I saw a guy with one ear in a Renault Clio filling up with petrol in Padiham yesterday. ??

To be fair, you’re not a proper Padihamer if you have both your ears. Renault Clio - was he from the posh end?

[Claret Till I Die]

I saw a guy with one ear in a Renault Clio filling up with petrol in Padiham yesterday. ??

If his neck was thick then he'll be local, if not he may have been the original

[Quickenthetempo]

He can't of been local, as most locals won't fill up there.

Lots of shenanigans go on at that station allegedly.

[Goobs]

I would take that IF we can pull it off. Essentially £6m plus our 3rd choice striker for Janssen.

[kaptin1]

I saw Vokes and Joe Allen crossing the motorway bridge in opposite directions at a Charnock Richard Services this morning...

[Spike]

Should have played 90 mins yesterday! Don’t normally criticise the Boss but he needs minutes and we needed him

[WestMidsClaret]

Vydra was hung out to dry yesterday. Playing up top on his own with his team mates sat 50 metres away from him was never going to work. I felt sorry for him tbh.

Wonder if this was SD was trying to make various points?!

As for Vokes. I've always liked him as a player. He can hold the ball up, links up well and scores important impact goals. If he goes then I'm sure we'll all wish him luck as he's been a good servant.

[Paddy1882]

Why give the lad a 3 year deal and then completely deprive him of match time... and then if he does get himself back in favour does Dyche think he’s going to be match fit having not played any real minutes since Boxing Day?? Bonkers decision not to play him yesterday and I feel sorry for him.

[SGr]

Actually the words "What", "a", "load", "of" and "b0llocks" spring to mind.

Name my factual errors.

[kaptin1]

Maybe he is being used as a bargaining chip / makeweight in a deal and so we didn’t want to risk him getting injured. That’s the only reasonable explanation I can think of for not using him. Either that or he is carrying a slight knock and was just making up the numbers on the bench in case of emergency.

[claretspice]

Hope this isn't true because he's still a player I really like and rate - unfortunately, right now, we don't have the other bits in the jigsaw to get the best out of him, but I still think he's got something to offer at this level.

He does go, it's another member of the core of the squad that got us here gone, and I do worry about whether that means eroding the foundations of our success a bit. But if its what he wants for first team football, we shouldn't stand in his way, provided we've got a suitable alternative lined up and the deal is reasonable for us financially.

[SGr]

Hope this isn't true because he's still a player I really like and rate - unfortunately, right now, we don't have the other bits in the jigsaw to get the best out of him, but I still think he's got something to offer at this level.

He does go, it's another member of the core of the squad that got us here gone, and I do worry about whether that means eroding the foundations of our success a bit. But if its what he wants for first team football, we shouldn't stand in his way, provided we've got a suitable alternative lined up and the deal is reasonable for us financially.

I agree re the core squad part. He’s a popular player and a dressing room character, who I’m sure is important in that regard. But for me, he isn’t as useful on the pitch as either Wood or Barnes, for varying reasons.

It’s sad really, but we have to start being more ruthless. Quality is what really makes the difference. Maximum effort is the minimum requirement, as per Dyche’s own words.

[Jakubs Tash]

Hope this isn't true because he's still a player I really like and rate - unfortunately, right now, we don't have the other bits in the jigsaw to get the best out of him, but I still think he's got something to offer at this level.

He does go, it's another member of the core of the squad that got us here gone, and I do worry about whether that means eroding the foundations of our success a bit. But if its what he wants for first team football, we shouldn't stand in his way, provided we've got a suitable alternative lined up and the deal is reasonable for us financially.

Should we be looking to evolve or just try and re-sign Boyd, Arfield and Jones because they played a big part for us over recent years?

I agree that Vokes has played a big part in what has been achieved over the last 5 years or so. However, he's now 29 and hasn't looked up to it at this level for the last 18 months or so in my opinion. For someone of his size he doesn't let the defenders know he's up against them like Barnes does, for example. He looks ponderous and slow. Can he head a ball? Yes, he can. He's very good at that...but we need more than that.

If letting Sam go means we can 'wheel and deal' a little bit or replace him with an upgrade then I am all for this. At the time he signed his new contract, I mentioned it was strange and maybe it was to ensure we got a half decent fee for him as opposed to him being part of the future.

[FactualFrank]

Hope this isn't true because he's still a player I really like and rate - unfortunately, right now, we don't have the other bits in the jigsaw to get the best out of him, but I still think he's got something to offer at this level.

He does go, it's another member of the core of the squad that got us here gone, and I do worry about whether that means eroding the foundations of our success a bit. But if its what he wants for first team football, we shouldn't stand in his way, provided we've got a suitable alternative lined up and the deal is reasonable for us financially.

Breaking up the foundations doesn't correlate with what's best for us. Chris Wood is similar(ish), but a much better player. I don't think it's anything to do with the 'other bits of the jigsaw' as that suggests he's somebody we should be building a team around. Wood can do everything Vokes can do, but more.

[Paul Waine]

If we ae looking at players who've been really good for us in the past, does anyone know how Andy Lochhead is these days? or Brian O'Neil?

Things is there's a date on our birth certificates and every year that goes by we get a year older. There are very few exceptions - though Graham Alexander created a new lease of life for himself - and centre forwards need all of their sharpness, speed, reactions, heading ability and more to make it and maintain it in the Premier League.

Let's see what the next few days bring.

UTC

[FactualFrank]

Things is there's a date on our birth certificates and every year that goes by we get a year older. There are very few exceptions

I've love to be one of those

I know what you mean, though.

[MrTopTier]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -mark.html

[warksclaret]

BFC is first and foremost a business. As a result there is a right time to buy and sell a player. We cannot live on emotion, and now is definitely the time to consider offers for this great servant. We know the January window leads to panic buying pushing values up-right now there will be a few Championship sides either in the running to stay in the top six wanting to strengthen their chances of staying there, or a club that's slipped but in a small way going to bet the ranch to catapult themselves into the play-off zone. Lets cash in.

What this will do is force the Board to make another purchase-we only have two serious strikers in Barnes/Wood-another in Vydra where the jury is still out, and Wells and Walters as good as gone. Not even BFC can operate with such a small band of strikers

If £9m is being banded then it potentially puts us in a far better position to go for pace, quality and a proven record. Lets not go the budget route though, or for players in their twilight years-our record of buying strikers since Eddy Howe went has not been brilliant

[FactualFrank]

That would be a very nice transfer fee.

[Vegas Claret]

Why give the lad a 3 year deal and then completely deprive him of match time... and then if he does get himself back in favour does Dyche think he’s going to be match fit having not played any real minutes since Boxing Day?? Bonkers decision not to play him yesterday and I feel sorry for him.

so we can get 9 million + for him

[FactualFrank]

so we can get 9 million + for him

This.

[ClaretShaun]

17 PL goals in 37 PL starts

2 back to back 20 goal hauls in The Chanpionship

2 promotions so knows his way around that.

Target man. British. 29 years old. International.

£9m is a STEAL for him. If he wants to go then, for him, id let him go, but it will cost £20/£25m to replace the guaranteed output he gives us.

And downgrading for some random stale foreign unknown at Spurs wouldn’t be wise.

[FactualFrank]

17 PL goals in 37 PL starts
2 back to back 20 goal hauls in The Chanpionship
2 promotions so knows his way around that.
Target man. British. 29 years old. International.
£9m is a STEAL for him. If he wants to go then, for him, id let him go, but it will cost £20/£25m to replace the guaranteed output he gives us.
And downgrading for some random stale foreign unknown at Spurs wouldn’t be wise.

We paid £15 million for Chris Wood - who is better. I think Sam Vokes is a great player and is the best winner of the long ball that's ever existed in the history of football.

But Chris Wood is better.

[ClaretShaun]

We paid £15 million for Chris Wood - who is better. I think Sam Vokes is a great player and is the best winner of the long ball that's ever existed in the history of football.

But Chris Wood is better.

Wood and Barnes, as a pairing, are the best we have and we need to hush stick with those 2 in a 442 now and get that’s familiarity back.

BUT, as a club, we’re now at a place where we are having to pay £15m for players for our bench. Because our players are that good we can’t afford to just get better and if we can afford the fee to but better, we rightly won’t change our wage/bonus structure to be able to sign that better player.

So my point was.... it’ll cost us double, probably, to just replace the output Vokes gives us. Even then it’ll be a risk. But if he wants the move then it’s right to let him go.

[FactualFrank]

Wood and Barnes, as a pairing, are the best we have and we need to hush stick with those 2 in a 442 now and get that’s familiarity back.

BUT, as a club, we’re now at a place where we are having to pay £15m for players for our bench. Because our players are that good we can’t afford to just get better and if we can afford the fee to but better, we rightly won’t change our wage/bonus structure to be able to sign that better player.

So my point was.... it’ll cost us double, probably, to just replace the output Vokes gives us. Even then it’ll be a risk. But if he wants the move then it’s right to let him go.

That's how football is going. Players cost more than 2 years ago. Wood was a bargain. One of our best players, easily. What you say is how the financial world is.

[ClaretShaun]

That's how football is going. Players cost more than 2 years ago. Wood was a bargain. One of our best players, easily. What you say is how the financial world is.

I think we’re saying the same thing, tbh. Vokes is worth far more than £9m, probably double.

[FactualFrank]

I think we’re saying the same thing, tbh. Vokes is worth far more than £9m, probably double.

Not sure he's worth £18 million. I know - and I say this before certain posters chime in who can see the future - he's not an £18 million player. £9 million is much more accurate.

[ClaretShaun]

So Burnley are looking for a 3rd/4th striker for our bench....

And a British target man in his late 20s with a PL goal ratio of 1 every 2 starts plus regular 20 goal seasons in the division below crops up as available. He slides into the salary structure fine and carries heavy international expererience. We sign him for £9m. A steal.

[jrgbfc]

So Burnley are looking for a 3rd/4th striker for our bench....

And a British target man in his late 20s with a PL goal ratio of 1 every 2 starts plus regular 20 goal seasons in the division below crops up as available. He slides into the salary structure fine and carries heavy international expererience. We sign him for £9m. A steal.

I would hope we're looking for a striker who improves our starting XI. As you say there's no point selling Vokes and bringing in another squad player.

[FactualFrank]

So Burnley are looking for a 3rd/4th striker for our bench....

And a British target man in his late 20s with a PL goal ratio of 1 every 2 starts plus regular 20 goal seasons in the division below crops up as available. He slides into the salary structure fine and carries heavy international expererience. We sign him for £9m. A steal.

That is one hell of a strange way of looking at football.

Not sure I can be bothered to show you how it actually works.

[warksclaret]

Don't know where people are getting their stats

Last 19 months ie one and a half seasons plus, played 60 /8 goals

His entire career at Burnley, played 267 / 64 goals

Ratio is falling. Easy to read for most PL defences, slow, great in the air but needs a number of chances with his feet to score. No longer a PL striker. How many PL clubs are after him-not even Cardiff or Huddersfield. If we get £9m or close its as good a bit of business as Wayne Thomas when he went to Southampton