Did Wigan think they had no chance of beating Man city?

[Spijed]

Last season.

Just wondered

[Stalbansclaret]

No...but:
- they were at home under the lights
- the game would've had massive novelty value for them as a League 1 team playing a Premier League team i.e. their "cup final"
- The financial motivation of a cup run for the club would have been very strong for them
- City are even now better now than they were then.....presumably Burton (another League 1 side) really wanted to do well against them.

[Dyched]

I can’t believe Wigan didn’t get relegated because they won

[TVC15]

Last season.

Just wondered

Yep they probably did think that actually

[Spijed]

No...but:
- they were at home under the lights
- the game would've had massive novelty value for them as a League 1 team playing a Premier League team i.e. their "cup final"
- The financial motivation of a cup run for the club would have been very strong for them
- City are even now better now than they were then.....presumably Burton (another League 1 side) really wanted to do well against them.

If City are better than last season how come they've lost more games, got less points?

[mybloodisclaret]

Any chance of merging the Cup threads? They are tedious and boring in equal measure, and are somewhat clogging the board up.

[Rileybobs]

If City are better than last season how come they've lost more games, got less points?

The competition has got better. Teams have worked out how to play against them. They have been unlucky with injuries. A number of reasons why they may have picked up less points than last season.

Could you show us one area where they are weaker than last season?

[claretgimmer]

Wigan players had fight and a will to at least give it a go no matter what the outcome and got what they deserved. which is what we got yesterday for the way we went about it, we had premier league players going through the motions, we could have at least looked like we had a game plan because if what I witnessed yesterday was part of a game plan then God help us.

[Spijed]

The competition has got better. Teams have worked out how to play against them. They have been unlucky with injuries. A number of reasons why they may have picked up less points than last season.

Could you show us one area where they are weaker than last season?

Surely if City are better than last season then the gap between them and the competition wouldn't have closed.

As for injuries, perhaps it was the case they were lucky last season, rather unlucky this. Every team gets injuries and perhaps it puts to bed the argument that their squad isn't as strong when put under a bit of pressure.

It's certainly no coincidence that they lost 3 out of 4 matches when 2 or 3 of the best players were out. Look at how Spurs are struggling without Kane and Son.

It does seem that when Fernandinho is injured they are nowhere near as good.

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[NL Claret]

God help us and a lot of other clubs when they play Man City.

I'll rephrase the title of this post, I'm not sure why it is relevant.

Did the bookmakers think Burnley had a chance of beating Man City.

Not sure why UTC posters are getting their knickers in a twist after losing to a team who are quite good. In the whole world of football no one will have batted an eye lid at the score yesterday although some UTC posters are struggling to come to terms with it.

We are 10/1 at OT on Tuesday although I'd imagine some UTC posters will be ranting and raving if we don't win.

When did we become big time? I missed it.

[Spijed]

And people forget under Fergie Man U. were capable of putting eight past teams like Arsenal.

[NL Claret]

And people forget under Fergie Man U. were capable of putting eight past teams like Arsenal.

It's a different level we will never get to. Just having a look at transport for Greater Manchester for travel for Tuesday, they are expecting 75,000. Big crowd that, we get that in 3.5 home games. £80-£90m players and our match day income wouldn't cover Sanchez's wages for very long and he's just a substitute.

[Rileybobs]

Surely if City are better than last season then the gap between them and the competition wouldn't have closed.

Not true in the slightest. If the other teams have improved at a greater rate, as Liverpool obviously have then the gap will close. It doesn’t necessarily point to them being weaker than last season. And if you take away the 3-4 game blip then I’m guessing there is little between this season and last. They could conceivably win the PL with less points this season but also go on to win the Champions League in which case I doubt anyone would be saying they are weaker than last season.

[dandeclaret]

Classic spijed.

[tiger76]

God help us and a lot of other clubs when they play Man City.

I'll rephrase the title of this post, I'm not sure why it is relevant.

Did the bookmakers think Burnley had a chance of beating Man City.

Not sure why UTC posters are getting their knickers in a twist after losing to a team who are quite good. In the whole world of football no one will have batted an eye lid at the score yesterday although some UTC posters are struggling to come to terms with it.

We are 10/1 at OT on Tuesday although I'd imagine some UTC posters will be ranting and raving if we don't win.

When did we become big time? I missed it.

If any fans went to the Etihad expecting anything apart from a hiding then they were doomed to disappointment.

I don't think any PL sides have played their entire first 11 in any of the cups this season,the major difference is the top six have strong back-up's that can be called upon.

[houseboy]

The competition has got better. Teams have worked out how to play against them. They have been unlucky with injuries. A number of reasons why they may have picked up less points than last season.

Could you show us one area where they are weaker than last season?

We haven't worked out how to play against them. Apart from being a fabulous side they also appear to be one of our biggest bogey teams, I've almost lost count of how many times they've put 5/6 past us, even in the lower divisions. Even a few years ago when they weren't even in the PL a mate where I worked then (a City fan) always used to have a laugh when we played them, saying the day before 'I wonder how many we're gonna get tomorrow'?

I know City are a great side but they surely are not 5-0 better than us? Other teams can give them a game and Leicester beat them recently. They've put 10 (that's ten) goals past us in 2 games so far this season and we've got to play them again yet. That is scary.

[Damo]

Well at least everyone's stopped complaining about the Uefa cup exit...

[Sproggy]

The problem is that we send out a team with no intention of competing. That's why we get turned over by the likes of Lincoln, Burton and Accrington.
I thought 0-5 was a good result against City given the bizarre team selection and our attitude to cup games.

We'll probably get beaten at Old Trafford this week, but at least there'll be a bit of fight shown.

[ChorltonCharlie]

We haven't worked out how to play against them. Apart from being a fabulous side they also appear to be one of our biggest bogey teams, I've almost lost count of how many times they've put 5/6 past us, even in the lower divisions.

By my reckoning our record against them under Dyche in the Premier League is W1 D2 L4. When you consider the differences in finances that's not that bad. Two of those defeats were 2-1.

[Boll ewood]

I can’t believe Wigan didn’t get relegated because they won

Maybe they didn't get relegated because they where going for promotion hence why they are in the championship now But I get your point. The gave is over and done with now. Let's just forget about it and support the lads at OT. UTC.

[houseboy]

By my reckoning our record against them under Dyche in the Premier League is W1 D2 L4. When you consider the differences in finances that's not that bad. Two of those defeats were 2-1.

And two were 5-0 ha ha. I recall them putting 6 past us at the Turf once (not under Dyche of course). They're beginning to get on my nerves.

[ChorltonCharlie]

One was 5-0, the other 3-0. Point is you say we haven't worked out how to play against them, when there's evidence we're doing as well, if not better, than most teams.

[Spijed]

One was 5-0, the other 3-0. Point is you say we haven't worked out how to play against them, when there's evidence we're doing as well, if not better, than most teams.

So true.

We are on exactly the same number of points as Palace yet I bet no-one thinks they'll concede five if they play Man City at the Etihad in the FA Cup.

I don't subscribe to the belief the gap is getting bigger, it's just our style seems to suit Man City more than most. Even Newcastle were a bit unlucky when they played them earlier in the season.

[Dyched]

We play in a very strange way. We let the opposition have the ball. Teams that normally do that can be dangerously quick on the break which we aren't. Also 80% of teams in the PL struggle to break us down. There ain’t many players outside the top 6 who can play the final pass. Where as with no pace to go at City on the break, combined with 4/5 players who can make the final pass is a deadly combination.

[Dyched]

Maybe they didn't get relegated because they where going for promotion hence why they are in the championship now But I get your point. The gave is over and done with now. Let's just forget about it and support the lads at OT. UTC.

They were promoted and won a game in the FA Cup in the same season?? WOW that is MASSIVE. Even with the 95 point deduction from winning Cup games?

[Boll ewood]

They were promoted and won a game in the FA Cup in the same season?? WOW that is MASSIVE. Even with the 95 point deduction from winning Cup games?[/quote

Getting promoted and beating city in the cup for a league one team is massive yeah.

I want burnley to win every game we play. But football is now a business and money talks and the money is in the premier league not the cup. I've had brilliant experiences as a fan in the cup. Derby away. Fulham away at loftus road. Liverpool at home to name a few.