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Cooper's Amendment

Post by basil6345789 » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:22 pm

Anyone know Julie Cooper's position on Yvette "Tubeworm" Cooper's amendment?

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Tall Paul » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:28 pm

Julie Cooper does.
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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Bosscat » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:36 pm

I think Yvette Coopers amendment is Balls
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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Buxtonclaret » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:39 pm

Don't know of her or her position.
She sounds like a defensive midfielder.
Desperate cheeky bid as the deadline looms?
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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by summitclaret » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:42 pm

It's whipped she will be for it. She is taking a big risk. 67/33% for leave.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Billy Balfour » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:50 pm

summitclaret wrote:It's whipped she will be for it. She is taking a big risk. 67/33% for leave.
Not really. Not everyone is obsessed with having a No Deal Brexit.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by summitclaret » Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:09 pm

As i keep saying hardly anyone including me actually wants no deal.

If the Cooper amendment gets through it undermines this country's chances of getting an acceptable deal.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Billy Balfour » Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:26 pm

summitclaret wrote:If the Cooper amendment gets through it undermines this country's chances of getting an acceptable deal.
It gives businesses like my own some certainty. It also stops those idiots in the govt from crashing the UK out of the EU by accident. I've spent the last 20 years working my balls off - so I'm going to welcome anything that gets us through Brexit without throwing ourselves to the mercy of the WTO.
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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by tiger76 » Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:36 pm

Labour amendment defeated 327-296,SNP amendment defeated 327-39,parties voting as expected so far.
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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:38 pm

800 billion already left the City. Leaving EU folk should be ashamed. They and we will feel the pinch, in years to come...from the outset.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Clarets4me » Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:47 pm

summitclaret wrote:It's whipped she will be for it. She is taking a big risk. 67/33% for leave.
Hell will freeze over before Julie Cooper votes against the party whip, despite her voting against Corbyn in the Labour no confidence motion in 2016, which he lost 172 - 40 ....

Which rather begs the question, " Why should we vote for you, Julie Cooper, when indirectly, it's a vote to put a man in whom you have no confidence into 10 Downing St, and Dianne Abbott in charge of domestic security ? "

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Rick_Muller » Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:57 pm

Coopers ammendment defeated 321-298
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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:24 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Coopers ammendment defeated 321-298
It was narrow she'll call for a "people's amendment"
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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:34 pm

No deal rejected 318 - 310.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by AndyClaret » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:34 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:No deal rejected 318 - 310.
non binding.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:36 pm

AndyClaret wrote:non binding.
Indeed.
Lots of stuff are.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:53 pm

Tories sucking up to keep their job!
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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:54 pm

They have f@@@@d the country good and proper.
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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Damo » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:59 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Coopers ammendment defeated 321-298
52% - 48%
:lol:
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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Clarets4me » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:01 pm

Meanwhile, in other political news .....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ing-ticket

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by tiger76 » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:06 pm

Spelman /Dromey amendment is carried narrowly but this one isn't binding on the government,and of course Graham Brady's amendment is passed also.

Whether the PM can get any movement from the EU 27 on the backstop is doubtful though.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by summitclaret » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:09 pm

Barnes scores. This is looking like a great night atm

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by AndyClaret » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:16 pm

IanMcL wrote:Tories sucking up to keep their job!
7 labour voted for brady amendment.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:18 pm

...and 20 labour then. All sucking up!

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by bobinho » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:24 pm

She will do whatever jezza tells her to do. And she SHOUKD be representing her constituents, not pandering to her bosses wishes. WE voted her our MP, not him.

Represent us Julie, not your own agenda.

Dunno why I’m surprised really, she’s an MP...

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:14 pm

IanMcL wrote:Tories sucking up to keep their job!
Being joined by Northern labour MPs to keep theirs!

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:19 pm

aggi wrote:Just to check, are MPs in seats where the constituency voted for remain also treasonous if they vote to leave?
Mystic McCartney says-

If you want to play the constituencies game, approximately 420 constituencies voted to Leave.

DEMOCRACY - IT MEANS SOMETIMES YOU LOSE (and if you try to go down the constituencies route, you still do!)

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Stayingup » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:54 pm

IanMcL wrote:800 billion already left the City. Leaving EU folk should be ashamed. They and we will feel the pinch, in years to come...from the outset.
Speaking or writing in English might help.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Stayingup » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:59 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:It gives businesses like my own some certainty. It also stops those idiots in the govt from crashing the UK out of the EU by accident. I've spent the last 20 years working my balls off - so I'm going to welcome anything that gets us through Brexit without throwing ourselves to the mercy of the WTO.
Exactly. I have a business too and would much rather be at the mercy of these faceless, undemocratic, corrupt EU technocrats. They do know how to cause a crash.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by aggi » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:05 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote: If you want to play the constituencies game, approximately 420 constituencies voted to Leave.
Indeed, although it wasn't me that brought constituencies up. Why didn't you quote the original post? It's just weird that MPs are only betraying their constituents when they're perceived to be voting against leave.

It's almost like the people complaining about it have some kind of agenda.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:13 pm

aggi wrote:Just to check, are MPs in seats where the constituency voted for remain also treasonous if they vote to leave?
Mystic McCartney says again to clarify-

Let every single one of those MPs whose constituencies voted remain carry on trying to thwart democracy.

If you want to play the constituencies game, approximately 420 constituencies voted to Leave. 

DEMOCRACY - IT MEANS SOMETIMES YOU LOSE (and if you try to go down the constituencies route, you still do!)

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by aggi » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:15 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Mystic McCartney says again to clarify-

Let every single one of those MPs whose constituencies voted remain carry on trying to thwart democracy.

If you want to play the constituencies game, approximately 420 constituencies voted to Leave. 

DEMOCRACY - IT MEANS SOMETIMES YOU LOSE (and if you try to go down the constituencies route, you still do!)
Are they treasonous? You've not really cleared that up.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by tiger76 » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:33 pm

Clarets4me wrote:Meanwhile, in other political news .....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ing-ticket
Only a 3 month sentence so it's possible she could continue as an MP,if she doesn't do the honourable thing and resign,hopefully a recall petition can be sorted ASAP,and BTW she is no longer a Labour MP,she has been expelled from the party,it's bonkers that she can still receive her salary,expenses and pension contributions will unable to represent her constituents.

I wonder how many employers would be so understanding in the real world,i'm sure mine wouldn't,to make this case even more bizarre she was a practising solicitor at the time.

It's instances like this that make the public cynical about politicians.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:50 pm

aggi wrote:Are they treasonous? You've not really cleared that up.
I just wanted to clear up the fact that the referendum wasn't done on a constituency basis but voting areas. However, if you want to play the constituencies game approximately 420 constituencies voted to Leave. 

DEMOCRACY - IT MEANS SOMETIMES YOU LOSE (and if you try to go down the constituencies route, you still do!)

I had no idea that I was under an obligation to clear up anything other than that.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Clarets4me » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:46 am

tiger76 wrote:Only a 3 month sentence so it's possible she could continue as an MP,if she doesn't do the honourable thing and resign,hopefully a recall petition can be sorted ASAP,and BTW she is no longer a Labour MP,she has been expelled from the party,it's bonkers that she can still receive her salary,expenses and pension contributions will unable to represent her constituents.

I wonder how many employers would be so understanding in the real world,i'm sure mine wouldn't,to make this case even more bizarre she was a practising solicitor at the time.

It's instances like this that make the public cynical about politicians.
She's been booted out of the Labour Party, but is appealing the verdict, claiming that she's being persecuted " like Jesus was " ....

I don't remember reading in the Bible that Jesus had asked one of his disciples to take his " Speeding fine " for him, whilst he was doing 43 in a 30 limit, down the Jerusulem " By-Pass " in a Nissan Micra, especially when he was in Russia at the time !!
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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Rowls » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:07 am

Billy Balfour wrote:It also stops those idiots in the govt from crashing the UK out of the EU by accident.
However, the UK leaves the EU it won't be "by accident".

There was this whole big thing called the referendum and people had to do their voting on purpose.

Then after that Parliament voted to leave the EU come rain or shine no later than 29th March 2019. This was also done on purpose.

Hope this clears things up.
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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by mdd2 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:54 am

Have MPs no idea about negotiations. Wat side goes into negotiations declaring their hand. Knowing our position that we won't acept no deal and Europe want us in not out, what king of improved deal do they think we will get now?
Imagine the NUM under Gormley going into negotiations in the 70's with a starting point that "no matter what, we are not going to ballot our members for strike action."
" Now then NCB what are you going to offer us?"
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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Greenmile » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:03 am

Rowls wrote:However, the UK leaves the EU it won't be "by accident".

There was this whole big thing called the referendum and people had to do their voting on purpose.

Then after that Parliament voted to leave the EU come rain or shine no later than 29th March 2019. This was also done on purpose.

Hope this clears things up.
He didn’t say “leave” though, did he? He said “crash out”. Do you need me to explain the difference to you?

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:10 am

Rowls

Have you heard anything from the French authorities about might happen in the event of a "No Deal"? (Regarding your own status)

Sneaky admiration for the ERG here it has to be said. They have managed to convince enough remainer leaning Conservative MPs that not only do unicorns exist, but that the "No Deal" scenario won't happen. That would have required some proper bare faced lying which they are clearly comfortable with.

If there are items that are non-perishable, and that you really cannot do withoout, then I'd be starting to make sure you have a supply stockpiled in your house to be honest.

The government and the MPs are threatening the EU with a "No DEal" we are not ready for, and after yesterday we lack the parliamentary will to stop it.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by fatboy47 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:41 am

I've nothing but admiration for the way the Conservative party have handled the whole Europe scenario over the last 2 decades.

Keeping the debate open and even giving the great unwashed a chance to vote on it. And above all putting the country's future well above any matters of self-interest. So much better than anything that self-serving monster Corbyn would offer. No way I'd trust him with the European question.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:43 am

And of course, the highlight of that being trying to restart the negotiations 57 days before we leave.

That takes some level of incompetence that even Diane Abbot couldn't come close to matching.
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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by TVC15 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:54 am

To be fair Abbot is not sure whether 57 days is good or bad !

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Damo » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:54 am

Remainers can blame themselves for the no deal that we are about to leave with.
Should of just let everyone get on with leaving instead of holding up the process with demands for another vote, and taking no deal of the table. Credit too for Gina Miller for enshrining the leave date into law.
Well done guys. I hope your all proud

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:55 am

Thats some leap Damo

Ringo levels if we are being honest.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by TVC15 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:57 am

Ok Damo....cos that’s what really happened ain’t it ?!!!

I mean it was nothing to do with the EU was it !

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Greenmile » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:59 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Thats some leap Damo

Ringo levels if we are being honest.
Some Ringo-level spelling, too.

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Damo » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:00 am

It's all your fault lads

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by martin_p » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:00 am

Damo wrote:Remainers can blame themselves for the no deal that we are about to leave with.
Should of just let everyone get on with leaving instead of holding up the process with demands for another vote, and taking no deal of the table. Credit too for Gina Miller for enshrining the leave date into law.
Well done guys. I hope your all proud
You really think Gina Miller enshrined the date in law? You really think ‘demands for another vote’ have held things up (it’s had no debate in parliament as far as I know). Who was it that delayed talks by months by holding a general election? Who was it that held up the ‘meaningful vote’ by a month because she thought she was going to lose, only to lose anyway?
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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by TVC15 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:01 am

Damo wrote:It's all your fault lads
You started it - you invaded Poland

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Re: Cooper's Amendment

Post by Damo » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:04 am

Ruined it for us all. All for the sake of a burgundy passport
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