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Mike Rigg

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:26 am

What is the point of him?
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by kentonclaret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:27 am

Peter Crouch. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Bertiebeehead » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:27 am

He’s friends with Peter Crouch.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Claretuk » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:28 am

He was the cheapest option of the candidates that applied for the job..
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by WestMidsClaret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:31 am

Going well then!

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by BigChaCha » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:32 am

Frank McParland was a terrific short term signing wasn't he?

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Guich » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:33 am

We are, literally, doomed to be as crap as we are now...forever!

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by IndigoLake » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:34 am

We were linked with Crouch last summer before Mike Rigg came in. Hopefully he's identifying targets that are a little younger than 38.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:36 am

Transfer deadline day always brings out the worst in people!!!
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Socrates » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:38 am

Guich wrote:We are, literally, doomed to be as crap as we are now...forever!
I have to take massive issue with this.

We are not crap. Far, far from it. I’ve been a claret for 35 years and this is by some way the best we’ve been in my lifetime.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Guich » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:49 am

Socrates wrote:I have to take massive issue with this.

We are not crap. Far, far from it. I’ve been a claret for 35 years and this is by some way the best we’ve been in my lifetime.
You are, of course, quite right Socrates. :D
But some of our younger fans don't have our sense of persepective

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Rouwens_Weapon » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:52 am

I'd save the judgement on Rigg until next Season and beyond.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:55 am

Guich wrote:You are, of course, quite right Socrates. :D
But some of our younger fans don't have our sense of persepective
Starting with the OP who is constantly looking for something to criticise the club.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:56 am

Disappointing if he doesnt land better targets than a 38 yr old

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Socrates » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:56 am

Rouwens_Weapon wrote:I'd save the judgement on Rigg until next Season and beyond.
Why?

Was his previous job scouting and finding rugby players? Cricketers? Because if not and he had a long career scouting footballers i’d assume he might know some that would be suitable for us.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:59 am

I found it hilarious at the time we appointed Rigg that some posters expected him to come in, wave a magic wand and land us a squad of £500k world beaters.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Socrates » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:00 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:I found it hilarious at the time we appointed Rigg that some posters expected him to come in, wave a magic wand and land us a squad of £500k world beaters.

Who expected that?

Where has anybody said that?

I very much suspect you’re making things up.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Silkyskills1 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:01 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Transfer deadline day always brings out the worst in people!!!
It certainly does. A change of name but same old rhetoric. It's the football equivalent of the ubiquitous 'backstop'.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Rouwens_Weapon » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:03 am

He also might not fully understand the budgets / financial restraints of the club, what the club needs on the pitch in the short term / long term.

The job also entails more than just what happens in the transfer window.

To quote Dyche, "Everyone knows January is a really really tough window. To make it clear we're not looking for Mike to come in and miraculously hand over seven players. We're looking for a longer reward than that, a bigger picture process to help add to what we do on the recruitment side.

"January is forever problematic for players so we'll just have to wait and see. There's certain people who we think we're interested in."

But by all means judge him on this window, Socrates.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by kentonclaret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:04 am

McParland was an experienced operator and didn't need several seasons before making an impact?

Why appoint somebody with a "wealth of experience" if they are not up and running until a year or so after their appointment?

When it comes to the summer Dyche will say that is a "tough window" and that it is "difficult for us to compete" because he says that during every transfer window not just in January.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by CnBtruntru » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:07 am

IndigoLake wrote:We were linked with Crouch last summer before Mike Rigg came in. Hopefully he's identifying targets that are a little younger than 38.
Mike Rigg heard wrong when he was asked to find 38 players :cry:
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by MRG » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:07 am

It arrogant to presume that we can just wait for Rigg to settle into this role. Getting this window wrong may end up being the difference in which league we play in next season and therefore costing us millions.

Unless something dramatic happens today we have once again demonstrated an embarrassing inability to conduct ourselves at the same level as our rivals in the transfer market.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by SGr » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:08 am

Dyche and Garlick both interviewed him. Perfect blend of stinginess and trawling after old domestic “good lads!!!!” has been achieved.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Socrates » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:11 am

Rouwens_Weapon wrote:He also might not fully understand the budgets / financial restraints of the club, what the club needs on the pitch in the short term / long term.

The job also entails more than just what happens in the transfer window.

To quote Dyche, "Everyone knows January is a really really tough window. To make it clear we're not looking for Mike to come in and miraculously hand over seven players. We're looking for a longer reward than that, a bigger picture process to help add to what we do on the recruitment side.

"January is forever problematic for players so we'll just have to wait and see. There's certain people who we think we're interested in."

But by all means judge him on this window, Socrates.
Yeah, I read all that.

And i’ve posted on here at length about how Dyche’s rhetoric on transfers is negative, defeatist and counter to how approached everything else.

Prime example is the language used here. Who is asking for seven players? I don’t think anybody is expecting seven players? It’s a ludicrous over exaggeration and unnecessary, but it promulgates the negative rhetoric.

Every summer this is a different excuse. New people are brought in (Culverhouse), we’re told it will take time ... and then nothing changes. The club are doing fantastically well, better than i’ve ever seen - but it doesn’t mean they are perfect and questions, occasionally, shouldn’t be asked.

And i’ll think you’ll find that’s all I did. I simply asked a question - why? I haven’t judged him yet.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretShaun » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:12 am

He reports directly to MG, just like SD does.

MG, you could say, has had quite a bit of success both in the recruitment world and in leading a town sized football club.

Don’t really think it’s for anyone on here to be guessing at what MR should be doing in his role / have done this month in his role.

That’s some posters on here for you though *laughing emoji*
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:14 am

Who expected that?

Where has anybody said that?

I very much suspect you’re making things up.
This is UTC. Of course someone said that!

But you are right as well, you would hope that the work he is doing would yield some more positive signings that possibly Crouchy

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Socrates » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:26 am

The other thing as well.

Rigg has been brought in ..... fair enough. Do we just stop signing players until he is up to speed?

What about all the scouting we’d done on players up to that point? Does that just get thrown in the bin and we start from scratch again?

The rhetoric makes no sense.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Jeffbfc » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:31 am

Can't say I'm thrilled about this bit of business but is seems it's more of getting an offer for a player who isn't featuring much and may have asked to leave.
Dyche surely must be happy for Crouch to come in rather than it being a Mike Rigg arranged transfer.
Well hopefully cos if Dyche as been overruled it wouldn't sit well.
Like others have said will judge the guy over the summer's business.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Claretforever » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:35 am

Jeffbfc wrote:Can't say I'm thrilled about this bit of business but is seems it's more of getting an offer for a player who isn't featuring much and may have asked to leave.
Dyche surely must be happy for Crouch to come in rather than it being a Mike Rigg arranged transfer.
Well hopefully cos if Dyche as been overruled it wouldn't sit well.

Like others have said will judge the guy over the summer's business.
I think Dyche is mates with Crouch, isn’t he?

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by SGr » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:37 am

Less good lads.

More good players.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Bertiebeehead » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:38 am

What’s Serge like in midfield?

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by karatekid » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:45 am

#29 Looks like they were too tight to pay for a ticket.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by joey13 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:53 am

ClaretTony wrote:Starting with the OP who is constantly looking for something to criticise the club.
Yes and the club make it so easy to criticise at times , what an embarrassing, pathetic signing this is , I was gutted after Tuesday night and now this .

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Dark Cloud » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:18 pm

TBH it was always going to be tough ask to get Rigg to show his true worth by making a series of January "coups", and as someone else has said, his true worth might be shown in the summer. BUT my overriding fear is that he'll be showing his true worth by getting the best possible deals he can for those players who want out and he'll be looking for young talent for a promotion push!!

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by BurnleyFC » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:29 pm

Easiest wage ever earned.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by jedi_master » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:33 pm

I am rare to be hyper critical without all the facts, but, Mike Rigg has been in the building 2-3 months (ish?) now.

I do not subscribe to the theory that he could not influence this January, that is just absurd. If my entire role encompassed NOTHING but recruitment (which his is, seemingly?) then I am not sure why I would not be able to get things in motion within a two month period, it's not hard is it? He will know the budget provided by Garlick, and then he has to make enquiries about the players Dyche wants that fit that budget in advance of January, or even (and this would be really good) maybe provide a name or two himself to Dyche?

If the sole outcome of today is that we sell Sam Vokes for 7-9 million (and give Wolves a quarter of it) and get Peter Crouch in the building on no doubt £35k+ a week then that is an absolutely disgusting window when we are knee deep in relegation trouble (playing great, yes, but we have not pulled away - far from it). The summer just gone we spent around £30 million on Ben Gibson, Matej Vydra and Joe Hart - three transfers that have not done a single thing for this football club that could be classed as positive. To follow that disaster up with this is almost unbelievable.

There absolutely must be a rabbit being pulled out of a hat somewhere today, surely.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by NL Claret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:35 pm

Mike Rigg written off before the end of the 1st transfer by utc posters who are probably unaware of the actual role he plays. Feet not even under the desk.

Very predictable.

9 hours 24 minutes 34 seconds till full utc meltdown.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by joey13 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:38 pm

NL Claret wrote:Mike Rigg written off before the end of the 1st transfer by utc posters who are probably unaware of the actual role he plays. Feet not even under the desk.

Very predictable.

9 hours 24 minutes 34 seconds till full utc meltdown.
Feet not even under the desk after 3 months that’s even slower than Crouch

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:43 pm

jedi_master wrote:I do not subscribe to the theory that he could not influence this January, that is just absurd. If my entire role encompassed NOTHING but recruitment (which his is, seemingly?)
It's part of his role

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by South West Claret. » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:50 pm

Mike Rigg?..who he?

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:10 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Starting with the OP who is constantly looking for something to criticise the club.
Sorry CT but yes I am critical at times but MG makes it so easy. Truthfully you can not be happy with trading Vokes for Crouch. Where is the forward planning which Dyche talks about? Dyche has made it perfectly clear that we need a winger. Where is he? Have I missed a signing? SD is constantly being let down where signings are concerned. Yes we are doing well...better than ever in my lifetime but that doesnt mean I cant question things.

I wasnt overly bothered about signing anybody in the window to be truthful. I think we need to offload quite a bit of dead wood which we have collected over the last few years. Players that werent top of the shopping list and we ended up with because we wouldnt back SD with his top targets. These 3rd or 4th choices are just collecting wages and I feel we need to offload. Long term I feel McNeil, Dunne and possibly Benson will be in the first team squad on relatively low wages. Meaning we can ship out the likes of Wells, Walters, Defour (love him but something just doesnt fit), Vydra, Hart, Ward, Lennon and then increase our wages for the no1 targets because of the few younger players on lower wages. I know its not Football Manager but we have far too many aging players
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by dsr » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:26 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:These 3rd or 4th choices are just collecting wages and I feel we need to offload. Long term I feel McNeil, Dunne and possibly Benson will be in the first team squad on relatively low wages. Meaning we can ship out the likes of Wells, Walters, Defour (love him but something just doesnt fit), Vydra, Hart, Ward, Lennon and then increase our wages for the no1 targets because of the few younger players on lower wages. I know its not Football Manager but we have far too many aging players
So are you now saying Vokes does need to go? You haven't named him, but he would certainly fit on that list.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Spike » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:29 pm

and I thought it was Frank Rigg.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by willsclarets » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:50 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:What is the point of him?

To improve the scouting networks and recruitment strategy in the medium to long term. How many times does the club have to reiterate that his remit was not really focussed on this January window? If you judge him on the job he's been brought in to do when he's had time to do it, then you can begin to ask that question.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:50 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Sorry CT but yes I am critical at times but MG makes it so easy. Truthfully you can not be happy with trading Vokes for Crouch.
I don't think I ever did. But you started this thread basically saying Mike Rigg is pointless. Are you basing that on one potential deal?

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:07 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I don't think I ever did. But you started this thread basically saying Mike Rigg is pointless. Are you basing that on one potential deal?
Yes I am....ONE potential deal. I know he hasnt been here long but surely he has a list of players he felt would help. I felt at the time that this role was much needed and felt Mike Rigg was the right man out of the candidates. I am just seeing it as a pointless role now as whilst MG is at the helm we are never going to take a risk. Well except the risk of being low on numbers in key areas and deciding to cross our fingers and hope we dont get an injury in that position.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Long Time Lurker » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:08 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I don't think I ever did. But you started this thread basically saying Mike Rigg is pointless. Are you basing that on one potential deal?
This potential deal could be an indication of the shape of things to come, based on the quality of the signings made by Rigg during his brief stays at QPR and Fulham.

I was crossing my fingers that his recruitment performance at those clubs was hampered by financial restrictions and being second guessed by a statistician with to much influence over those close to the board.

However, considered in isolation from any chain of events that may unfold over the coming hours, this potential deal gives me cause to doubt my own optimism and my desire to give the new bloke a fair chance.

If this deal doesn't end up with us bringing in Che for a reasonable price, without a loan back, then heaven help us in terms of what we can expect in the Summer when he has more time to work and more potential to make changes.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by South West Claret. » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:09 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Mike Rigg?..who he?

Pretty please?

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Goobs » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:12 pm

CnBtruntru wrote:Mike Rigg heard wrong when he was asked to find 38 players :cry:
No it was a typo in the office. His memo should have read search for players who are aged 13-25 abut someone hit the + key instead of the - which is easily done.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Stayingup » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:16 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Yes I am....ONE potential deal. I know he hasnt been here long but surely he has a list of players he felt would help. I felt at the time that this role was much needed and felt Mike Rigg was the right man out of the candidates. I am just seeing it as a pointless role now as whilst MG is at the helm we are never going to take a risk. Well except the risk of being low on numbers in key areas and deciding to cross our fingers and hope we dont get an injury in that position.
He needs time. This window is always dreadful too. He will come good with time.

Why do you think that we are trading Vokes for Crouch? Seperate transfers is what we are being told. Not connected except that the playere happen to be swapping clubs.

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