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Crouch is a good signing

Post by claretnproud » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:19 pm

in certain scenarios he will do a good job for us without bankrupting us. His game has never revolved around pace so not concerned about his age. Another rocket Ron maybe.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Right_winger » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:24 pm

Is he ****

Maybe if you are Accy Stanley

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by taffy » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:26 pm

If crouch wins us one game he will be worth it
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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by SGr » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:27 pm

I wouldn’t mind so much if he wasn’t our ONLY signing.
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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Tall Paul » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:27 pm

He's going to score the winner at Anfield.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by claretdj » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:27 pm

Right_winger wrote:Is he ****

Maybe if you are Accy Stanley
Or Bury.. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:28 pm

Agree with original post
Will do just as good a job from bench as Sam would do
7 million for Sam plus add ons
Crouch free and just to end of season.
I think it is a great piece of business
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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by scouseclaret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:29 pm

When we signed Ron Futcher we were in the 4th Division. And we stayed in the 4th Division - he wasn’t that good anyway.

You’re right in one respect though. Our ability in the transfer market doesn’t seem to have developed much since those days.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by DCWat » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:29 pm

I’m not against Crouch as a stop gap and think he could prove useful. It’s the risk of him being required for more than the odd cameo, and the lack of midfield back up, that are my main gripes. Gambles that perhaps we shouldn’t be taking.

Hopefully the signing is a Dyche masterstroke.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by claretnproud » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:33 pm

same clueless fans on here as at beginning of season that thought we should go full tilt in europe. Crouch will intimidate many defenders in this league with his aerial presence. perish the thought might even draw a penalty. tons of experience and if his addition gets us a point or 2 here and there it is good business. Can see him coming on when we are behind and us playing 3 up top. Him and Barnes will be nasty and ugly and Wood might pick up the pieces. For the money a good call.
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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Flicktokick » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:35 pm

scouseclaret wrote:When we signed Ron Futcher we were in the 4th Division. And we stayed in the 4th Division - he wasn’t that good anyway.

You’re right in one respect though. Our ability in the transfer market doesn’t seem to have developed much since those days.
25 goals in 57 .. how many should he have scored to have been 'that good' .. if our manager had shown some more daring away from home we'd have walked the League in 90-91.
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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by ksrclaret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:37 pm

Let's have it right, this is an utterly abject signing that has left us with a significantly weaker squad.

A total and utter waste of money, some decrepit old target man from Stoke is categorically everything we should have been looking to avoid this window.

It feels like a joke signing, to be honest, only it's not funny.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Dyched » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:37 pm

All Burnley fans would be happy with Vokes here for the next 18/24 months.

Crouch? No.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by claretspice » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:37 pm

I think we have to remember that the only person whose opinion really mattered on this one is Dyche. Vokes doesn't leave without his say so, and nor does Crouch arrive.

I presume the thinking is that even if one of Barnes or Wood gets injured, we wouldn't bring on Vokes as a like for like replacement for either. We'd either bring in Vydra, or go 4-5-1 ( perhaps with McNeil as the number 10). Which sort of makes sense as Barnes and Vokes was never a partnership and Vokes isn't as effective as Barnes at playing as the second striker and dropping into midfield.

Which effectively makes the question whether Vokes or Crouch is the better option as an impact sub, which isn't perhaps quite as clear cut a question.

If course, this logic assumes we've got enough depth across midfield to field 5 of our midfield options on any given occasion, which may perhaps be where the flaw is.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Adrianthepostman » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:38 pm

Crouch

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by claretnproud » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:38 pm

Rocket Ron was a god. Was it Northampton when he swivelled as slow as a double decker bus turning and tapped in? I remember being behind the goal and going nuts.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Dark Cloud » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:43 pm

He scored a great goal at Stockport one night (on debut?), but managed to miss a last minute sitter from 6 inches at Lincoln once when we lost 1-0!!!! And it still makes me angry!! (Got to let it go.......)

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by ksrclaret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:43 pm

claretspice wrote:I think we have to remember that the only person whose opinion really mattered on this one is Dyche. Vokes doesn't leave without his say so, and nor does Crouch arrive.

I presume the thinking is that even if one of Barnes or Wood gets injured, we wouldn't bring on Vokes as a like for like replacement for either. We'd either bring in Vydra, or go 4-5-1 ( perhaps with McNeil as the number 10). Which sort of makes sense as Barnes and Vokes was never a partnership and Vokes isn't as effective as Barnes at playing as the second striker and dropping into midfield.

Which effectively makes the question whether Vokes or Crouch is the better option as an impact sub, which isn't perhaps quite as clear cut a question.

If course, this logic assumes we've got enough depth across midfield to field 5 of our midfield options on any given occasion, which may perhaps be where the flaw is.
You think there may perhaps be a flaw with our transfers?

Well bugger me sideways, I'd never have guessed.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by claretnproud » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:46 pm

I can see him coming on after 65 minutes. As the opposition players and fans burst out laughing and before they have cleared the tears from their eyes mcneil sprints down wing, Crouch ambles into box and nods home mcneils cross on the back post. job done.
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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by randomclaret2 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:48 pm

The signing Video has already been viewed over a Million times

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Post by ksrclaret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:50 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:The signing Video has already been viewed over a Million times
That'll bring in some much-needed revenue for the club

Whoever came up with the idea might just have bought us another week or so of existence

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by claretspice » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:54 pm

ksrclaret wrote:You think there may perhaps be a flaw with our transfers?

Well bugger me sideways, I'd never have guessed.
Well we shall find out if it's a flaw in due course. It probably depends in part on how confident the club are in the medium term fitness or Brady and Defour, and how soon Lennon will be back, which none of us csn rewlly know.

I do know that I reckon McNeil will end up playing "in the hole". He's a top talent on the wing but his attributes seem to me even more suited to playing off a striker.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by claretnproud » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:56 pm

claretspice wrote:Well we shall find out if it's a flaw in due course. It probably depends in part on how confident the club are in the medium term fitness or Brady and Defour, and how soon Lennon will be back, which none of us csn rewlly know.

I do know that I reckon McNeil will end up playing "in the hole". He's a top talent on the wing but his attributes seem to me even more suited to playing off a striker.
good point claretspice. only the club know that.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by DCWat » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:05 pm

claretspice wrote:Well we shall find out if it's a flaw in due course. It probably depends in part on how confident the club are in the medium term fitness or Brady and Defour, and how soon Lennon will be back, which none of us csn rewlly know.

I do know that I reckon McNeil will end up playing "in the hole". He's a top talent on the wing but his attributes seem to me even more suited to playing off a striker.
Definitely looks like he could be very effective in a central role. Probably not quite ready for that yet though, I’d suggest.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by theroyaldyche » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:15 pm

He wont play

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Vino blanco » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:16 pm

I think the Crouch signing is an embarrassment. We are becoming a laughing stock in the PL.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by bfcmatt » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:17 pm

No one obviously remembers Ashley westwoods free kick the other night, He was obviously warming up for the arrival of the tall one. It makes it seem like the perfect delivery now.
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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by claretnproud » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:20 pm

bfcmatt wrote:No one obviously remembers Ashley westwoods free kick the other nite, He was obviously warming up for the arrival of the tall one. It ,makes it seem like the perfect delivery now.
I remember it. Crouch would have had to jump for that one :D

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by JellyBaby » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:26 pm

Genuine question, in what way is Vokes better than Crouch? Coming on for the last 20 mins for example...

I think it's a good, risk-free signing on the face of it. +cash, even better

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by AndrewJB » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:32 pm

For all we know Vokes might have wanted to leave in order to play. I think Crouch's experience could help improve our other forwards. And if he comes on and scores (or helps us defend against late set pieces)

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by SlidingTackle » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:35 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:He scored a great goal at Stockport one night (on debut?), but managed to miss a last minute sitter from 6 inches at Lincoln once when we lost 1-0!!!! And it still makes me angry!! (Got to let it go.......)
GGGGGGRRRRRR!!! Me and StAlbansClaret witnessed that, the culmination of a miserable afternoon which commenced with being menaced by turnip munching locals. We too are still deeply scarred by the thought of that miss; I can picture it now, the great dolt!

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by NL Claret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:36 pm

Vino blanco wrote:I think the Crouch signing is an embarrassment. We are becoming a laughing stock in the PL.
Are we?

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by claretnproud » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:36 pm

Vokes wasnt quick enough for prem and isnt as good a target man or as good on the ground as Crouch. when you consider we now have perhaps 30 to 50 percent the price of a new striker after sams sale then its great business.
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Post by Sutton-Claret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:36 pm

I'll get round to his famous podcast when Audible reduce the price.......

When I wake up tomorrow its going to hit me that Vokes has gone....

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Down_Rover » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:38 pm

JellyBaby wrote:Genuine question, in what way is Vokes better than Crouch? Coming on for the last 20 mins for example...

I think it's a good, risk-free signing on the face of it. +cash, even better
Could not agree more

Crouch is a change. Vokes is like for like

Sam has been my favourite player for years now but I have come to accept that Barnes and Wood ( when on his game) are better.

Thanks Sam , you’ve been a star and will always be remembered fondly. 14x 15 min cameos from the beanpole offers something different and might work

If he gains us a few points Dyche will be called a genius
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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Dom » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:41 pm

He's not been scoring in a league with worse players but he'll score goals for us in a league with the best defenders in the World playing?

Yeah, somehow I can't see that happening. We've had a mare.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Garnerssoap » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:42 pm

**** off op

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by SalisburyClaret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:43 pm

As an impact sub he’s very similar to Andy Carroll - ideally suited to how we play when we’re losing. A good partner to Vydra as well

For non ageist fans - this is a good signing

But - if only we’d had a proper plan as to how to invest the Vokes money where needed - then this window would have been so much better

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Post by Sutton-Claret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:44 pm

Do we now have the tallest and shortest Prem players - Crouch 6'7'', Lennon 4'7'' ??
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Post by claretnproud » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:47 pm

Garnerssoap wrote:**** off op
reciprocated if you know the meaning. come back at the end of the season and tell me that ;)

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by strayclaret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:49 pm

We’ve just made news at 10. He’ll do for me :lol:
Business is business.
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Post by Down_Rover » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:51 pm

Garnerssoap wrote:**** off op
What a well constructed reply. Would you like to expand on your thesis in a less long winded fashion so that the majority of us can understand your complex message .

Or

Just shut up
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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Garnerssoap » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:52 pm

You can **** off an all

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by claretnproud » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:54 pm

Down_Rover wrote:What a well constructed reply. Would you like to expand on your thesis in a less long winded fashion so that the majority of us can understand your complex message .

Or

Just shut up
...
that went right over his head down-rover :D
take a look at his other posts elsewhere and you will get the drift ;)

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Dyched » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:00 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:As an impact sub he’s very similar to Andy Carroll - ideally suited to how we play when we’re losing. A good partner to Vydra as well

For non ageist fans - this is a good signing

But - if only we’d had a proper plan as to how to invest the Vokes money where needed - then this window would have been so much better
Ahh Impact Sub.

That’s going to surprise the opposition defenders having just belted it up to Barnes and Wood for 80 minutes what possibly could we be doing with Crouch?

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by 1fatclaret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:01 pm

claretspice wrote:I think we have to remember that the only person whose opinion really mattered on this one is Dyche. Vokes doesn't leave without his say so, and nor does Crouch arrive.

I presume the thinking is that even if one of Barnes or Wood gets injured, we wouldn't bring on Vokes as a like for like replacement for either. We'd either bring in Vydra, or go 4-5-1 ( perhaps with McNeil as the number 10). Which sort of makes sense as Barnes and Vokes was never a partnership and Vokes isn't as effective as Barnes at playing as the second striker and dropping into midfield.

Which effectively makes the question whether Vokes or Crouch is the better option as an impact sub, which isn't perhaps quite as clear cut a question.

If course, this logic assumes we've got enough depth across midfield to field 5 of our midfield options on any given occasion, which may perhaps be where the flaw is.
Spice, I completely disagree. This season we have played combinations of all of the above, and Sam on his own, so don't think that replacing either Barnes or Wood with Sam would be an issue.

The signing is a poor one. No matter which way we dres it up. 15 years (yes, that long) we'd have all been giddy with excitement. Not today. Today I am ******* annoyed.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by claretnproud » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:02 pm

Dyched wrote:Ahh Impact Sub.

That’s going to surprise the opposition defenders having just belted it up to Barnes and Wood for 80 minutes what possibly could we be doing with Crouch?
Crouch has never been a surprise but always awkward to play against.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Claret Toni » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:04 pm

Edit. Words fail me
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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:06 pm

Garnerssoap wrote:You can **** off an all
Fascinating how angry some people can get over something ultimately so trivial.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by bobinho » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:10 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:Agree with original post
Will do just as good a job from bench as Sam would do
7 million for Sam plus add ons
Crouch free and just to end of season.
I think it is a great piece of business
I see your point. I didn’t at first but now I do. I’d see it better if the £7m for SV had been used properly tho. That money will be nice and dry now keeping the rest of the store happy.

How many offers did we make in the end for Che?

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