Crouch is a good signing

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by ClaretLoup » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:10 pm

Dyche and other managers always tell us how beneficial it is to have competition for places. So how is signing a guy who is 38 and made two starts in the Championship and shipping out another who has made 10 in the PL square that one up?

Wood and Barnes have guaranteed places and if one gets injured Burnley will have to go to a different formation irrespective of the opposition given Dyche's lack of faith in Vydra.

I can't see Crouch defending from the front much either.

I cannot see how in any way shape or form this can be construed as a good signing.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by claretnproud » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:19 pm

ClaretLoup wrote:Dyche and other managers always tell us how beneficial it is to have competition for places. So how is signing a guy who is 38 and made two starts in the Championship and shipping out another who has made 10 in the PL square that one up?

Wood and Barnes have guaranteed places and if one gets injured Burnley will have to go to a different formation irrespective of the opposition given Dyche's lack of faith in Vydra.

I can't see Crouch defending from the front much either.

I cannot see how in any way shape or form this can be construed as a good signing.
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well you will by the end of the season ;)

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by HiroshimaClaret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:20 pm

We`ve gone from signing the Championship`s top scorers to signing the Championship`s tallest (and probably) oldest striker. Great stuff!

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by HiroshimaClaret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:27 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:He scored a great goal at Stockport one night (on debut?), but managed to miss a last minute sitter from 6 inches at Lincoln once when we lost 1-0!!!! And it still makes me angry!! (Got to let it go.......)
That was the FA Cup replay at Edgeley Park after Brendan O`Connell had equalised. A great goal! I too was the at Sincil Bank for the Futcher miss. Is it fair to say the Buernley fans hadn`t really taken to him at that point??? Was that also the debut (on loan) of Steve Davis? I think it was.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by HiroshimaClaret » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:32 pm

ClaretLoup wrote:Dyche and other managers always tell us how beneficial it is to have competition for places. So how is signing a guy who is 38 and made two starts in the Championship and shipping out another who has made 10 in the PL square that one up?

Wood and Barnes have guaranteed places and if one gets injured Burnley will have to go to a different formation irrespective of the opposition given Dyche's lack of faith in Vydra.

I can't see Crouch defending from the front much either.

I cannot see how in any way shape or form this can be construed as a good signing.
He`ll be an absolute hoot in the dressing room and great for morale! ;)

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Garnerssoap » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:17 am

HiroshimaClaret wrote:That was the FA Cup replay at Edgeley Park after Brendan O`Connell had equalised. A great goal! I too was the at Sincil Bank for the Futcher miss. Is it fair to say the Buernley fans hadn`t really taken to him at that point??? Was that also the debut (on loan) of Steve Davis? I think it was.
Brenda’s goal was a cracker. Joe Jakub as sweeper was a revelation. Even tony Hancock had a good game. Think I must have sat out that sincil bank game - only went once and we played winstone white up front and he smashed them

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Dyched » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:19 am

HiroshimaClaret wrote:He`ll be an absolute hoot in the dressing room and great for morale! ;)
There’s escorts for that

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by basil6345789 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:44 am

I think it's good management. Both players, for the remainder of the season, are "impact players" and hence have a similar purpose. Dyche has to have the final say but must balance the needs of the employer with those of the employee.
Sam needed to go and Crouchy is determined to prove himself in the next 6 months but be realistically satisfìed with playing half shifts.
Keeps us going well then gets sorted in summer.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by tybfc » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:52 am

Dyched wrote:There’s escorts for that
They stopped making them about 38 years ago :x

For my two pen'eth I think that it is a great bit of business.

Probably ten million in the pot from Vokes who has hardly kicked a ball in months for a freeby who can come on with twenty minutes each game and cause a bit of mayhem.

In Dyche I trust.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by HiroshimaClaret » Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:36 am

Garnerssoap wrote:Brenda’s goal was a cracker. Joe Jakub as sweeper was a revelation. Even tony Hancock had a good game. Think I must have sat out that sincil bank game - only went once and we played winstone white up front and he smashed them
I had a few flare-ups with Jakub (not my favourite!) but you`re right, he bacame an excellent sweeper.

O`Connell never really did it at Burnley but my sister and I followed (stalked) him after he left and we watched him at both Huddersfield and Barnsley, the latter turning him into a very good midfielder indeed.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by claretspice » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:38 am

1fatclaret wrote:Spice, I completely disagree. This season we have played combinations of all of the above, and Sam on his own, so don't think that replacing either Barnes or Wood with Sam would be an issue.

The signing is a poor one. No matter which way we dres it up. 15 years (yes, that long) we'd have all been giddy with excitement. Not today. Today I am ******* annoyed.
We've tried those combinations sure, but they haven't been very successful, either in terms of results or performances.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Dark Cloud » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:45 am

Yes, I think for the Edgely Park cup replay we had loads of injuries or suspensions and we played a scratch side with a few out of position e.g. Jakub as mentioned, but it worked a treat and we won after (I think?) initially going behind.
As regards Crouch, bizarrely I have often championed him when others have described him basically as a useless lanky lump as I long believed that his comedic physical proportions which clearly made him good in the air actually belie the fact that he's been a very good footballer with his feet too, BUT he's 38 now!! Come on FFS!!!
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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by taio » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:45 am

claretspice wrote:We've tried those combinations sure, but they haven't been very successful, either in terms of results or performances.
The same could be said of most or all combinations/partnerships throughout the team many times earlier this season. It doesn't mean those combinations wouldn't be working now we are playing so much better.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by claretspice » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:05 am

taio wrote:The same could be said of most or all combinations/partnerships throughout the team many times earlier this season. It doesn't mean those combinations wouldn't be working now we are playing so much better.
True to some extent, but i think the difference us that the combination of Vokes with either Barnes or Wood never really looked complimentary on paper either, for the reasons I mentioned last night. And I don't think they've been effective combinations before this season either (certainly Vokes and Barnes has barely ever bern effective and it's been tried a fair few times - too static).

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by burnleymik » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:07 am

taffy wrote:If crouch wins us one game he will be worth it

You have to weigh that up against how many win Vokesy got us.....

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by OffTheBar » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:32 am

The deal makes sense. Vokes has been a great servant but he’s been way off the pace in the past year or so. To get the money we have for him is good business, when he’s clearly not happy playing second fiddle. I was surprised Dyche persisted with him so much earlier this season; the Championship is his level really.

Crouch is a stop gap, nothing more. I’m sure we would have signed a young striker if that were possible. But he clearly suits our tactics when chasing games. Birmingham clearly couldn’t sell Adams now given their embargo, without a stupid offer. We obviously need to see a proper strategy this summer for signings. Let’s just hope we are in the PL.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Burtonwoodclaret » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:36 am

Just give him a chance . If he reads some of the stuff on this board, that will be motivation enough to lmake him show us that he can have an impact, both on and off the pitch. I would not be surprised if he is a Turf Moor hero at the end of the season.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:45 am

Just enough, thank God. If Brum were asking silly money, we did well to refuse. Interesting that nobody else snapped up this god-like saviour................

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by SussexDon1inIreland » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:53 am

Gutted that Sam has left- top bloke great professional who was loyal and scored important goals for the Clarets over a 7 year period
Cording to an interview with Sean Dyche he wanted more first team action so he goes with my full blessing
Best of luck Sam

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:05 am

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:Agree with original post
Will do just as good a job from bench as Sam would do
7 million for Sam plus add ons
Crouch free and just to end of season.
I think it is a great piece of business
I had massive misgivings about this before it was confirmed, but thinking about it rationally I came to the same conclusion as you. Until the end of the season we couldn't have found a better fit.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by elwaclaret » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:05 am

Flicktokick wrote:25 goals in 57 .. how many should he have scored to have been 'that good' .. if our manager had shown some more daring away from home we'd have walked the League in 90-91.
Yep and the fact he was thinking where players ought to be and ought to be putting the ball for him made people who just didn't get him think it was that he was the problem. Ron Futcher was just too good for those he had playing around him and added to his (understandable) lack of pace it is a common myth he was poor. He was a top-notch football brain playing with bargain basement players... he had one of the best goals per game ratio that suggested a host of chances... he was given anything but.

I quite often used to judge fans opinions about players on how much they understood Rocket Ron.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Sproggy » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:07 am

Hindsight's a wonderful thing and all that but is it unreasonable to look back on a 7th place finish last season, reflect on a 3rd year in the Premier League, anticipating the announcement of a 50 million quid profit and not be ever so slightly disappointed that after two transfer windows we haven't strengthened the first team and we've replaced Sam Vokes with a 38 year old striker that can't get a game for a mid-table Championship team?

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:05 am

Think of the bantz down at Gawthorpe though when he performs the robot.
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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by HiroshimaClaret » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:07 am

Dyched wrote:There’s escorts for that
There are indeed...but in Burnley???
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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Dyched » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:13 am

HiroshimaClaret wrote:There are indeed...but in Burnley???
Good point sir

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by houseboy » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:21 am

claretnproud wrote:same clueless fans on here as at beginning of season that thought we should go full tilt in europe. Crouch will intimidate many defenders in this league with his aerial presence. perish the thought might even draw a penalty. tons of experience and if his addition gets us a point or 2 here and there it is good business. Can see him coming on when we are behind and us playing 3 up top. Him and Barnes will be nasty and ugly and Wood might pick up the pieces. For the money a good call.
Good post and I agree, apart from the bit about Europe, which is of course nonsense. We should have gone full tilt at it and I'm NOT clueless. Still cannot and will not forgive Dyche for robbing us of that. I don't think the players who got us there in the first place then got dropped for it were too happy either. I'm still convinced that was in part to blame for our shocking start, they were demotivated. And so would anyone be.

Totally agree about Crouch though.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Pstotto » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:23 am

Sam Vokes has scored many important goals, I would have thought he would be more valuable as a potential scorer and then sell him at the end of the season. As such, I can't see the point of this. Surely Stoke would still have been interested come June. I think Vokes offers something different to Wood but Crouch is another big lumbering bloke and ten years older and not even doing anything for Stoke, but neither was Arfield at Huddersfield.

I was mad yesterday and wrote to the club to try and stop the transfer. I know it's daft really and in Dyche we trust, but not after the signing of Jo Hart. Had he stuck with Heaton at the start of the season, we would not have sunk so low, as our current form suggests.

I think if Pope had not been injured we could have done a Europa League cup run as well and been OK. That was the sucker punch to the failings this season.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by biggles » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:49 am

fully meets the criteria 'is there even a slim chance that he could add something to the team and is he cheap?'
can't say i'm impressed but he might just score a few very important goals.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by BillyIngham'sShorts » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:50 am

quality signing for the deal - i.e. 7 m for Sam who isn't featuring

easier in the premiership than championship for someone like Crouch - always thought his touch is terrific - certainly better than Wood whose touch is fridge- like ( and that is not a clever joke about magnets ) - whilst a good cool goalscorer he just hasn't got a lot of "football ability" in him
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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by claretnproud » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:10 pm

THATS EXACTLY WHY WE SIGNED CROUCH. Put it on a plate for Barnes and drew the pen. Maybe already paid his wages from now until end of season and he has only played 15 minutes.
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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by JohnDearyMe » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:17 pm

Was he involved much bar the assist? Didn't manage to get on or watch it online today

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Paul Waine » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:20 pm

claretnproud wrote:THATS EXACTLY WHY WE SIGNED CROUCH. Put it on a plate for Barnes and drew the pen. Maybe already paid his wages from now until end of season and he has only played 15 minutes.
Just posted on the "Peter Crouch" thread - which is not the same as the "Crouch is a good signing" thread (and, I think there are other threads also debating the same thing....)

does anyone still think that signing Peter Crouch was "bad business?"

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:30 pm

I can see PC unsettling and disrupting quite a few defences like that. Gotta put those
good crosses in for him, though.

COYC

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:33 pm

Vydra must be despairing! :(

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:37 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Vydra must be despairing! :(
I do rate Vydra, but at the moment I can totally understand why he's not playing. And I wouldn't class him as an impact sub, unless we're putting plenty of balls into the box... on the ground. Crouch is more suited when desperately needing a goal and Vydra is better when we're winning and the opposition are coming at us, due to more pace and nicking goals out of nothing.
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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:37 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Vydra must be despairing! :(
I've posted on other threads, theres nothing wrong with Hydra, but he doesn't suit our style of play.
Crouch on the other hand does. He's not done much for Stoke since Pullis left, and of all the teams in the premier league we play more like that Stoke team than any other.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:28 pm

Vydra is finished at the Turf,sad but I think it will prove the truth,another Wells type signing but much more expensive,wasted millions:(

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by Cubanclaret » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:37 pm

I must have missed something i thought the pen was given for handball. Was it a foul on Crouch?

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:41 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Vydra is finished at the Turf,sad but I think it will prove the truth,another Wells type signing but much more expensive,wasted millions:(
Nah.

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Re: Crouch is a good signing

Post by claretnproud » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:53 pm

Cubanclaret wrote:I must have missed something i thought the pen was given for handball. Was it a foul on Crouch?
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you should have been watching closer Cuban. Why werent you watching? he was a nuisance and they struggled to cope with him so drew the penalty and created a chance that Barnes will feel he should have scored. pay more attention in future ;)

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