A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

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A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Lord Beamish » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:03 pm

Could the decision to book Barnes be a shot across Burnley and Sean Dyche’s boughs from a Referee fed up of listening to Dyche’s outspoken attitude towards Refs being conned by simulation?

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby FactualFrank » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:05 pm

Absolutely it could.
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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby taio » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:05 pm

No.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Granny WeatherWax » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:06 pm

No. I just think it was a case of the ref being completely incompetent
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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Lowbankclaret » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:14 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:No. I just think it was a case of the ref being completely incompetent


Or being bought off
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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Lancasterclaret » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:14 pm

To be honest, the linesman has got to be giving that, even if the ref does not.
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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Goody1975 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:14 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Could the decision to book Barnes be a shot across Burnley and Sean Dyche’s boughs from a Referee fed up of listening to Dyche’s outspoken attitude towards Refs being conned by simulation?


No, unless by giving a ridiculously inept decision he has a warped twisted agenda.

He is a referee and most of them haven't kissed a girl yet, a very strange bunch.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby mdd2 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:16 pm

If he was booked for simulation then he has msed a right mess of the yellow card. The way Barnes went to the Lino was enough IMO to get a yellow

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Claret » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:18 pm

I thought he got the yellow for being an argumentative in your face no respect for officials mr angry.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Rileybobs » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:19 pm

Claret wrote:I thought he got the yellow for being an argumentative in your face no respect for officials mr angry.


Obviously not or the referee wouldn't have blown up and stopped play when the ball was in play.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby agreenwood » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:21 pm

Could be, but that’s not a ref’s job.

It was a penalty and a booking for McCarthy.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Stproc » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:21 pm

NO

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby martin_p » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:24 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Could the decision to book Barnes be a shot across Burnley and Sean Dyche’s boughs from a Referee fed up of listening to Dyche’s outspoken attitude towards Refs being conned by simulation?


No, because it just strengthens Dyche case. Barnes just fell over when his foot was taken by the goalie, Dyche argued today that had he gone down more dramatically, thrown his arms in the air and rolled over a few times, he might have got the pen.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby cricketfieldclarets » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:27 pm

Talk about conspiracies. It wasnt even a pen.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Tall Paul » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:39 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Could the decision to book Barnes be a shot across Burnley and Sean Dyche’s boughs from a Referee fed up of listening to Dyche’s outspoken attitude towards Refs being conned by simulation?


No, and it's bows, like on a ship.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby beddie » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:05 pm

I imagine Taylor having blown his whistle looked across at the inept Liner and said "Penalty, yes or no" . The Liner says no, dive by Barnes.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Somethingfishy » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:10 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:To be honest, the linesman has got to be giving that, even if the ref does not.


I genuinely think it was the linesman that told the referee not to give it. Taylor was walking towards the spot and looking over to the lino..obviously he told him on the mic he thought Barnes had dived. That is how i saw it anyway. Still not sure if the booking is for diving or dissent. I think diving as the card came out before Barnes started mouthing off. He quite clearly told the linesman to f*** *** too.
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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Lord Beamish » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:43 pm

Tall Paul wrote:No, and it's bows, like on a ship.

Indeed. Brain fart from me.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:43 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Could the decision to book Barnes be a shot across Burnley and Sean Dyche’s boughs from a Referee fed up of listening to Dyche’s outspoken attitude towards Refs being conned by simulation?


Two supposed professionals making a decision like that. But the next Manchester Derby he’ll be in charge with Tyler and co rubbing themselves over how he’s the strongest ref in league...

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Rileybobs » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:04 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:I genuinely think it was the linesman that told the referee not to give it. Taylor was walking towards the spot and looking over to the lino..obviously he told him on the mic he thought Barnes had dived. That is how i saw it anyway. Still not sure if the booking is for diving or dissent. I think diving as the card came out before Barnes started mouthing off. He quite clearly told the linesman to f*** *** too.


The booking was definitely for simulation and not dissent as the referee stopped play and awarded Soton a free kick.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Bordeauxclaret » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:07 pm

Mentioned on another thread. If you cannot see that’s a foul you should not be involved in football at any level.

Perhaps controversy makes them more appealing when they retire and that’s what they have an eye on?
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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Longsider » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:26 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Could the decision to book Barnes be a shot across Burnley and Sean Dyche’s boughs from a Referee fed up of listening to Dyche’s outspoken attitude towards Refs being conned by simulation?

No . Rub on.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby turfytopper » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:46 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:To be honest, the linesman has got to be giving that, even if the ref does not.

You'd like to think so...but whether the assistant gets involved in a decision such as the one we saw today can be complicated by a number of things.

Every referee holds a meeting before the game and he gives his 'referees instructions'. This describes to the assistant his authority.. it is pretty standard for the instruction to be, 'you referee up to the penalty box and the same distance up to the half way line and approx 10 years inside the other half'. That would be the Lino's 'area of credibility'.....
In an instance of a penalty appeal it is again pretty standard for the refs to say 3 things can happen 1) he (the ref) turns it down 2) the ref gives it , lino may need to confirm in our out of the penalty box 3) the referee may think the lino may have a better view.... He would tell the assistant he'd be 'burning a hole through his head' honestly they use this term to say they are asking for the opinion of the lino.

Today Taylor has the perfect view to get it right... He instantly turned it down. So I wouldn't blame the linesman... The ref was awful.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby bobinho » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:51 pm

agreenwood wrote:Could be, but that’s not a ref’s job.

It was a penalty and a booking for McCarthy.


I disagree. It was a penalty and a red card for McCarthy. The ref absolutely bottled it.
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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Bordeauxclaret » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:53 pm

bobinho wrote:I disagree. It was a penalty and a red card for McCarthy. The ref absolutely bottled it.


I don’t think it’s s red now if it’s a pen.
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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:01 pm

bobinho wrote:I disagree. It was a penalty and a red card for McCarthy. The ref absolutely bottled it.


Exactly! Not just a penalty they should have been down to ten men.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby quoonbeatz » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:05 pm

given the amount of time he took to give the decision either way, i'm pretty sure the linesman told him it was a dive.

not that he should have needed any help, as it was the clearest foul you'll ever see. the keeper's reaction said it all, he didn't appeal. if he'd thought barnes had dived he'd have gone nuts at him.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby dsr » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:06 pm

bobinho wrote:I disagree. It was a penalty and a red card for McCarthy. The ref absolutely bottled it.

Only a red card if you think it was a deliberate attempt to trip him, but yellow if you think it was an incompetent attempt to get to the ball first. He went for the ball and was late - yellow card.
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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Vintage Claret » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:25 pm

Whether the official thinks it was a foul or not how in God's name can he see that as a dive/simulation from Barnes?

The keeper was a foot away from Barnes as he slid out for the ball, what is Barnes supposed to do in that situation other than fall over the keeper?

That happens at Old Trafford, The Emirates, The Etihad, etc it"s a penalty for the home team everytime.

Ironic that it's one of the crappiest refs in the PL that actually awards us our first penalty for 60 odd games or whatever it is, but I guess even he would struggle to explain not given that one.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby SalisburyClaret » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:34 pm

If the ref thought it was a dive then it’s a yellow. The dissent is certainly a yellow. Barnes should have been sent off - but the ref couldn’t even get his mistakes right
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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby dsr » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:44 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:If the ref thought it was a dive then it’s a yellow. The dissent is certainly a yellow. Barnes should have been sent off - but the ref couldn’t even get his mistakes right

I think it was established a year or two back, that if a player commits a yellow card offence, and then commits another before the ref shows him the first yellow card, then he won't be sent off for two yellows. The theory goes that until the first yellow card is shown, he doesn't know that he has been booked so doesn't have the chance to change his behaviour.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby martin_p » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:47 pm

Unsurprisingly the pundits on MOTD think it was a terrible decision. If Taylor has anything about him he’ll ring Barnes and apologise for accusing him of cheating.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby SalisburyClaret » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:50 pm

dsr wrote:I think it was established a year or two back, that if a player commits a yellow card offence, and then commits another before the ref shows him the first yellow card, then he won't be sent off for two yellows. The theory goes that until the first yellow card is shown, he doesn't know that he has been booked so doesn't have the chance to change his behaviour.


Makes sense DSR - I stand corrected

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Bordeauxclaret » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:50 pm

Watching it back on the big screen makes it even more unbelievable.
I just don’t know, somethings not right there.
You see some where you think, well maybe an element of doubt so that’s why it’s not given, with that there is nothing.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby thatdberight » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:52 pm

dsr wrote:I think it was established a year or two back, that if a player commits a yellow card offence, and then commits another before the ref shows him the first yellow card, then he won't be sent off for two yellows. The theory goes that until the first yellow card is shown, he doesn't know that he has been booked so doesn't have the chance to change his behaviour.


The only high profile case I remember was ex-Claret Chris Baird. IFAB confirmed then (late 2015) that it was absolutely right to show two yellow cards from the same phase of play if need be. Was there something later?

It was a terrible decision not to give a penalty. It was a terrible decision to book Barnes for diving. It was a terrible decision not to send Barnes off.
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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby RalphCoatesComb » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:54 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Could the decision to book Barnes be a shot across Burnley and Sean Dyche’s boughs from a Referee fed up of listening to Dyche’s outspoken attitude towards Refs being conned by simulation?


Absolutely!

On MOTD Taylor has been shown to be completely incompetent. The linesman even worse as he was closer. 17,000 fans all shouted PENALTY. The only person in the ground who thought it wasn't was Anthony Taylor. The lino just bottled it.

Had that been Citeh, Liverpool or United, it would have been a Penalty and a sending off for the keeper!

Total incompetence! And even Shearer agrees :lol:

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby RalphCoatesComb » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:00 am

martin_p wrote:If Taylor has anything about him he’ll ring Barnes and apologise for accusing him of cheating.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Not going to happen, but Taylor should be reffing Forest Green Rovers v Notts County next weekend... again, not going to happen!

Does Anthony Taylor feel embarrassed this evening for being too slow to keep up with play? You guessed. No he doesn't! Tosser!!! :x :x :x

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby dsr » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:03 am

What's even more amazing is not only that neither ref nor linesman were confident it was a penalty, but that one of them was confident that Barnes wasn't touched and dived on purpose, and the other (at best) didn't know whether Barnes had been touched or not. If they didn't see a foul, they would just have waved play on unless, between them, they were confident is was a clear dive.
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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby evensteadiereddie » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:39 am

A complete fiasco - either through sheer incompetence or corruption.
Incompetence I can - just about - accept, corruption is just plain wrong. I'm beginning to think we're having far too many decisions go against us.
Dychio is right: there comes a point when you have to say "Enough is enough".................those in ahem, authority, need to get this sorted quickly.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby The Enclosure » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:52 am

The reaction of all the other players and the crowd tells you it was a stone wall penalty.
We have had some poor refs this season but he was the worst,not just for the pen decision.
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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Dazzler » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:56 am

Has anyone give it a thought that if it was any other player than Barnes it probably would have been given?

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Squarepusher » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:54 am

Dazzler wrote:Has anyone give it a thought that if it was any other player than Barnes it probably would have been given?


Yes. Doesn't make the decision any less wrong, but I think it's entirely possible that Ashley's reputation has preceded him here.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby AlargeClaret » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:26 am

No conspiracy theory ( do people seriously ,even the loons in here believe that ) it was a stonewall pen though Barnes reputation possibly swung it . The keeper knows exactly what to do puts both legs out to clash with Barnes left leg while going for the ball , maybe 1 in 7 times keeper blags it . The ref likelybgave yelliw for diving but he could easily have been sent off as he told the Lino to feck off

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Vegas Claret » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:15 am

nothing other than a shite decision which I'm sure he will be embarrassed about

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby Siddo » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:59 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Talk about conspiracies. It wasnt even a pen.

Your fishing attempts and efforts to be contrary are getting very boring.
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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby martin_p » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:08 am

AlargeClaret wrote:No conspiracy theory ( do people seriously ,even the loons in here believe that ) it was a stonewall pen though Barnes reputation possibly swung it . The keeper knows exactly what to do puts both legs out to clash with Barnes left leg while going for the ball , maybe 1 in 7 times keeper blags it . The ref likelybgave yelliw for diving but he could easily have been sent off as he told the Lino to feck off


I think the fact he didn’t get a second yellow for swearing at the linesman shows that even in the seconds after the decision Taylor already knows he’s got it horribly wrong.
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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby duncandisorderly » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:21 am

What 'reputation'? He has a bit of rep on here for winning free kicks, but he's hardly a world renowned chronic diver who is forever winning penalties at the slightest touch.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby ClaretTony » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:28 am

beddie wrote:I imagine Taylor having blown his whistle looked across at the inept Liner and said "Penalty, yes or no" . The Liner says no, dive by Barnes.


Doubt it, watch the liner, he's carrying on thinking nothing has happened and moves to the corner flag.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby duncandisorderly » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:37 am

The only only only thing I can possibly think why the ref thinks its a dive is the odd little stutter before he gets taken out as he adjusts his feet to poke the ball past him. It possibly looks unnatural from the refs POV. Possibly. Maybe.

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Re: A Different Angle On The Non-Penalty.

Postby SussexDon1inIreland » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:39 am

We have been robbed of 6 points and may go down because of it

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