Lancasterclaret wrote:I wanted the compromise, but the uber Brexiteers did not.
They now tell us that we always voted for this, when all the evidence suggests we didn't.
I'd be very careful about throwing absolutism around on either side on this one, but a minority want their way and won't let anything stop it.
Only one side threatens violence on the streets if it doesn't get its way
Only one side said it would pick up a rifle and head for the hills if it doesn't get its way
Only one side has a political party in which it is literally "One man, one vote".
You know your history elwa, so tell me, what does that tell you?
Must admit of the Tory leadership candidates, the one that looks like Gollum seems to talk the most sense, though talk is cheap and he may not be popular with the hard liners. Not that I will be involved in the process before a general election.
Always thought Labour had a far more democratic leadership process... but when politics get this messed up you end up with JC as a membership protest lol.
Fact is I won’t be crying myself to sleep should brexit not happen, no more than I was desperate for it to happen... but parliament (Cameron) abused the referendum process for his own ends and got bitten. A referendum is a major once or twice a lifetime final straw when parliament Reaches deadlock... Let the nation decide. Having asked the people there should have been no further debate from either side. This first part should never have left the offices of power again (Euro and Uk)... That is what a referendum is for. The detail is why the civil servants are paid so highly. I had no problem with an “as you were” solution, personally.. as long as the UK had the final say on what legislation we adopt in future.
History says Europe will turn tribal, it is too diverse for one size fits all. Liberals will pull for a comprehensive system, the nationalists will resent their progression being retarded..
Napoleon tried it, the Vienna Convention tried it to name but two... they chug along often for years working together... but each time it all ends with polarisation and war.
I was expecting a far bigger shift to what happened tif in the elections, Spain thankfully didn’t go Nationalist as my contacts over there clearly expected it too... that would have made the EU interesting. But it’s clearly still on the rise. I’d rather not be in the middle of it when it does.