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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:25 am

aggi wrote:Well I wasn't intending to answer the questions, I was just saying I liked how you phrased question 2. I can give you some answers though I guess:

1. It depends who those "some people" are. If it's the man in the street, or economics experts or business leaders or whatever, then no.

If those "some people" are democratically elected MPs and there are enough of them to stop the referendum result being enacted (obviously your General Election point becomes moot because the only ones who I say can overturn are the elected MPs) then yes. Like it or not that's how our parliament works. If you don't agree with it then you have the chance to vote them out and vote someone in that will enact the referendum. You've spent a lot of time complaining about how the EU is stealing our sovereignty so it's a bit rich for you to complain when that parliamentary sovereignty is put into action.

2. I did choose to ignore the General Election part as it's irrelevant, we're talking about referendums. As I said there have been two so far which have been enacted but that's a pretty small sample size.
It's totally relevant. If you honestly believe it's acceptable that expressions of democracy should be thwarted, simply because you don't like the result it produces. You have absolutely no right to call yourself a democrat. And you should , maybe , shuffle off to North Korea.


So you believe that MPs who -

A-, voted by a massive majority to let the people "have the final say on Europe " as Mr Hammond put it, by holding an EU referendum. Therefore , delegating the decision to British People.

B-, 84% of whom were elected on manifestos that pledged to respect and implement the referendum result

C-, voted, by a massive majority, to trigger Article 50. Which meant that we would leave the EU on the 29th of March 2019. With or without a withdrawal agreement.

Should now turn around and say "no"

Let me tell you something. They had their chance to say "no" on June 23rd 2016. When you and I and everybody else voted in the referendum. One person. One vote. To now turn round and usurp the clear instruction they have been given is an affront to democracy itself.

On referendum night before the results had come in, Paddy Ashdown made a solemn promise to the British public:

“I will forgive no one who does not respect the sovereign voice of the British people once it has spoken, whether it is a majority of one per cent or 20 per cent.

When the British people have spoken you do what they command.

 Either you believe in democracy, or you don’t.”



And you, clearly, do not.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:32 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:It isn't an argument. I've not even tried to counter anything he's said, which if you had a few brain cells to rub together you'd have understood when you read the posts. I'm making the point that privatised healthcare sees a drug in the privatised healthcare country priced at over $1700 and in the socialised medicine country at eight ******* dollars. And i'm pointing that out as a reason not to privatise our health care. He, because addressing the point I make isn't something he's interested in doing, is going on about why it's because of patent law, as if that in any way refutes the point I made.

Do you understand now? Would you like me to fetch the crayons and explain it more simply?
Hi IT, let me pick things up from this post - but please assume I'm addressing all your comments.

I've taken a look at Gilead Sciences corporate website. They refute the politician's claim that the US taxpayer funded the Truvarda drug research. They refer to their own research and $1.1 billion that it cost them to develop the drug. (I make no claim that any of their statements are accurate - I leave the US investors and public to judge in the way things ae always judged....).

I also found a lot of stuff on Gilead's website about their support for access to drugs in the countries "with less money." It seems they do a lot to support access to "life saving drugs" for those that need them via licensing generic manufactures (and maybe in other ways).

Maybe that's the reason why "generic truvada" is $8 or $6 in Australia and South Africa, respectively (or were these prices quoted in local currency).

Re your posts: I'm still not sure what point(s) your were trying to make. I know you don't understand drug patent rules, but you need to understand these rules if you are trying to quote drug prices which are all about the patent rules. You also need to know that the NHS buys a lot of drugs that are within their patent periods - and that these drugs save a lot of lives. So, patents and drug prices have got nothing to do with whether a health care system is state owned and state funded as in the UK, or is an insurance based system, as it is in most major countries in the EU, or it is a more expensive and more conditional state support for those who can't afford their own insurance, as it is the USA.

If it's "state owned is good" and "non-state owned and population is covered by health insurance is not good" in your view, then I suggest you inform yourself and look at how the national health systems operate in Netherlands (where I have direct experience), Germany, Spain and more. Please don't think of the USA in terms of an alternative to the NHS, it's not.

I'm sure you'll let me know if there's a point you have been making all along that I've not addressed.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndyClaret » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:44 am

Boom !

https://twitter.com/britainelects/statu ... 53569?s=19" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:03 am

My money's on Paul to win this one simply because he's told Turtle that Turtle doesn't understand something.

That's a win right there.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:16 am

Paul Waine wrote:Hi IT, let me pick things up from this post - but please assume I'm addressing all your comments.

I've taken a look at Gilead Sciences corporate website. They refute the politician's claim that the US taxpayer funded the Truvarda drug research. ...

I don't give a fuuuuuuuuuuuck. My point isn't about who funded it. It's about the fact that privatised healthcare is a ******* rip-off. That's the gist of my ******* point. How the **** haven't you got this already?

And when are you going to tell me what racist statement I made? It's been months now.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Clarets4me » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:03 am

" Imploding Turtle's " point is that he is more concerned with who provides the medicines/treatments, than the outcomes for patients. He is more concerned with " the means rather than the ends " ....

If one of my family members or friends needs a hip replacement, I frankly don't care who provides the safe quality care to do this, the NHS, a subcontracted BUPA hospital , or whoever ...

Where I suspect I do agree with our potty mouthed reptilian friend, is that Companies that buy up " drug rights ", still under patent, and then hike the prices by 100's of percentages that they charge to the NHS, should be sanctioned ...

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:17 am

Clarets4me wrote:" Imploding Turtle's " point is that he is more concerned with who provides the medicines/treatments, than the outcomes for patients. He is more concerned with " the means rather than the ends " ....

If one of my family members or friends needs a hip replacement, I frankly don't care who provides the safe quality care to do this, the NHS, a subcontracted BUPA hospital , or whoever ...

Where I suspect I do agree with our potty mouthed reptilian friend, is that Companies that buy up " drug rights ", still under patent, and then hike the prices by 100's of percentages that they charge to the NHS, should be sanctioned ...

**** me. I didn't think this could get more stupid but there you go.

At no point whatsoever can you reasonably reach a conclusion remotely resembling the idea that my point is that what matters more is who provides medicines and treatments, not their efficacy. Until just now i'd have thought the only possible way anyone could read my posts and come out with a conclusion so moronic is if a Tiananmen Square tank had ran over their head and someone stuck a D battery into the mush that remained to get a couple of neurons firing to come up with that level of stupidity. But clearly you can type so obviously it was more than a couple.

So no, liquid genius, i don't think who provides the treatments and medicines is more important. I think the most important thing is that everyone can have access to the ******* treatments and medicines. And when a medicine is profitably being sold in one country for $8 because healthcare is socialised, but is being sold in another country for $1780 because in that country healthcare is privatised, then i'm saying that not every **** has access to that ******* drug.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Burnley Ace » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:43 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:To date , the only UK wide referendum that has not been implemented is the one that produced a result that the Establishment disagreed with.
Or 33% of the referendums or the advisory one that our elected representatives feel is detrimental to the country, I don't mind which phrase you want to use

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:12 am

AndyClaret wrote:Boom !

https://twitter.com/britainelects/statu ... 53569?s=19" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Until it comes to actually voting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:15 am

*** BREAKING NEWS ***

Labour WIN the Peterborough Byelection.

Brexit Party LOSE.

Farage sneaks out of the backdoor minutes before the result is announced.

Tory majority in Parliament is now a mere 5 seats.

Along with Bercow stating this week that a new leader won't be able to take Britain out of the EU with no-deal without a Parliamentary vote things are ticking along nicely.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:20 am

Ouch.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by PWBFC » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:27 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:**** me. I didn't think this could get more stupid but there you go.

At no point whatsoever can you reasonably reach a conclusion remotely resembling the idea that my point is that what matters more is who provides medicines and treatments, not their efficacy. Until just now i'd have thought the only possible way anyone could read my posts and come out with a conclusion so moronic is if a Tiananmen Square tank had ran over their head and someone stuck a D battery into the mush that remained to get a couple of neurons firing to come up with that level of stupidity. But clearly you can type so obviously it was more than a couple.

So no, liquid genius, i don't think who provides the treatments and medicines is more important. I think the most important thing is that everyone can have access to the ******* treatments and medicines. And when a medicine is profitably being sold in one country for $8 because healthcare is socialised, but is being sold in another country for $1780 because in that country healthcare is privatised, then i'm saying that not every **** has access to that ******* drug.
I think some of the figures being quoted aren’t strictly true. My understanding is that up until 12 months ago, the drug was costing approx AUD 10,000 per year in Australia at which point the state stepped in to subsidise the price.

It’s still a massive difference to what the drug costs in the US and the Aussie subsidy can’t be a bad thing but the $8 price isn’t what the drug can be sold for profitably, I assume.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:39 am

Point and laugh at the Brexit Party day folks

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndrewJB » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:54 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:To date , the only UK wide referendum that has not been implemented is the one that produced a result that the Establishment disagreed with.
That’s not true. The government negotiated a withdrawal bill but it wasn’t considered good enough by parliament. The main opposition party laid out how it would leave the EU, but doesn’t have the numbers to push that through. Either would be enacting the will of the people, as you say.

We’ve had the “in out” conversation. Now we have to have the how to leave conversation.

Yes or no?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:18 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Point and laugh at the Brexit Party day folks
Like every day.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Spijed » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:29 am

Wow!

Did anyone realise that "Dead in the water" is an anagram of "The Brexit Party"?
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:56 am

Must be a worry for Farage. Given the circumstances of the by-election and the fact the the BP are on the crest of a wave in the opinion polls he’d be thinking they should have won it.

Edit - and Peterborough voted strongly Leave in the referendum.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:03 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:
So no, i don't think who provides the treatments and medicines is more important. I think the most important thing is that everyone can have access to the treatments and medicines. And when a medicine is profitably being sold in one country for $8 because healthcare is socialised, but is being sold in another country for $1780 because in that country healthcare is privatised, then i'm saying that not every has access to that drug.
There you go again, IT. You just don't understand. Like a stuck needle on a 33.

I think you understand that the UK has a socialised health care system - called the NHS. The NHS buys drugs from pharma companies. The NHS pays the price necessary to obtain those medicines - yes, within the NHS budget and as judged by NICE to be worth the spend. Drug prices are not about how health care is organised. The world knows that drugs with patent are more expensive than generics - because all the research and development and medical approvals have to be paid for. The world also knows that different countries have different patent periods - but USA, UK and EU are the same.

Yes, by all means - but please not on this thread - let's have a debate about different ways of organising health care systems, but let's do it in a little more depth than NHS v USA. There are all those other countries in the EU, for a start - and this thread has got something to do with the UK ad the EU (from memory). And, if you like, let's have a debate about the costs of developing drugs that work - and good and bad practices by pharma corporations - but, again, not on this thread.

PS: I've deleted the unnecessary ************* in your quote above. It's easier to read without them.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:08 am

Nice of Farage to perform exactly like expected.

Turns up in a blaze of publicity when he thinks the Brexit Party have won

Hides in the loo and sneaks out the back door to avoid answering questions just before the result is announced.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:12 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Nice of Farage to perform exactly like expected.

Turns up in a blaze of publicity when he thinks the Brexit Party have won

Hides in the loo and sneaks out the back door to avoid answering questions just before the result is announced.
I suspect after losing he’s worried about a leadership challenge. Oh hang on......
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Cryssys » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:15 am

martin_p wrote:Must be a worry for Farage. Given the circumstances of the by-election and the fact the the BP are on the crest of a wave in the opinion polls he’d be thinking they should have won it.

Edit - and Peterborough voted strongly Leave in the referendum.
Given that Peterborough voted leave by 61 to 39 he should be worried. It's a poor result for them but a great result for an "unelectable" Labour party.

The beginning of the end for the Brexit Party? If they can't win in a strong leave constituency...

Wonder how Ringo and the rest of the leavers will spin this?
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Spijed » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:23 am

Cryssys wrote:Wonder how Ringo and the rest of the leavers will spin this?
Easy - They'll be spinning the line that many brexiteers in Peterborough didn't vote simply because they are disillusioned with politics.

Weak argument, but there you go.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:41 am

Spijed wrote:Easy - They'll be spinning the line that many brexiteers in Peterborough didn't vote simply because they are disillusioned with politics.

Weak argument, but there you go.
They’ll be on their Brexit websites as we speak looking for what line they are being told to take.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Cryssys » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:47 am

AndyClaret wrote:Boom !

https://twitter.com/britainelects/statu ... 53569?s=19" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Peterborough?

Don't you look silly now.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Murger » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:49 am

Labour didn't win, the other parties got 69% of the vote. Isn't that how elections work nowadays?
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:51 am

Would have been a great point, if we didn't have a FPTP system (which I don't like, but we are not likely to change)

Brexit Party lost a leave seat to a useless Labour Party is the story today.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:00 am

You’ve got to wonder what role the big orange idiot we’ve been rolling out the red carpet for played in it really haven’t you.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:00 am

Murger wrote:Labour didn't win, the other parties got 69% of the vote. Isn't that how elections work nowadays?
Except, unlike the EU elections this wasn't run under the PR system.
It was FPTP.
But keep trying.
Edit: Lancs beat me to it.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:10 am

Burnley Ace wrote:Or 33% of the referendums or the advisory one that our elected representatives feel is detrimental to the country, I don't mind which phrase you want to use
Our elected representatives delegated the decision to we, The People.

Or have you conveniently forgotten that?

And approving of democratic instruction of 17,400,000 People should be ignored, just because around 450 or MPs "feel It will be detrimental. Is no basis for destroying people's trust in the democratic process.

1975 referendum- non binding result was what the Establishment wanted - enacted.

2016 referendum- non binding result was not what the Establishment wanted - not enacted. Democracy thwarted.

Democracy delayed is democracy denied.

If it's not delivered, as I've said many many times before, the trust in which millions of people place on democracy will be shattered. It will be shattered permanently and importantly, transgenerationally.

In the future when millions no longer vote , because " why bother they do what they want to do" it will only take a relatively small number of votes to elect dangerous extremists. Or for a future referendum to go against what you, despite being, potentially, in the majority, wish should happen. If that decision is usurped by a future Parliament crammed full of MPs voted there on low turn outs. Don't expect to turn round for support of those that used to believe in democracy.

They won't be there........

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:18 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Would have been a great point, if we didn't have a FPTP system (which I don't like, but we are not likely to change)

Brexit Party lost a leave seat to a useless Labour Party is the story today.
Factually wrong.

In the 2017 general election labour won this Peterborough constituency. To have "lost" the seat the Brexit Party would have had to have first, held it.

The Brexit Party did not exist when the 2017 general election took place.

Any news about admitting you were wrong on EU funding coming back to the UK , and the EU allowing the banks to bailed out and not allowing the government to bail out British steel. Which is what I said, and you claimed I was '"making stuff up"?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:31 am

AndrewJB wrote:That’s not true. The government negotiated a withdrawal bill but it wasn’t considered good enough by parliament. The main opposition party laid out how it would leave the EU, but doesn’t have the numbers to push that through. Either would be enacting the will of the people, as you say.

We’ve had the “in out” conversation. Now we have to have the how to leave conversation.

Yes or no?

We've had it.

The vast majority of MPs voted to trigger Article 50. Which put into law, that the UK would leave the EU on the 29th of March 2019.

With or without a deal

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/po ... -1-9746761" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Ms Cooper co-led a Parliamentary amendment which took a no-deal Brexit off the table at the end of March, which was promptly followed by a petition to deselect her as an MP."

"Around 23,000 people signed the petition, though her office said that 97 per cent of those were from outside the constituency."

The message that is coming from both the electorate and local Constituencies, where Remain MPs face deselection. (Dominic Greaves is another, along with the Change UK pantomime)

Is this-

Either we Leave.





Or you do........

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:31 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Factually wrong.

In the 2017 general election labour won this Peterborough constituency. To have "lost" the seat the Brexit Party would have had to have first, held it?
Posts the guy who continually accuses other posters of pedantry.
Put simply: if Farage can't win in Peterborough when he's riding high in the opinion polls, in an area that was strongly leave against a divided and troubled Labour Party whose previous candidate had been sent to jail, and whose victorious candidate got embroiled in anti-Semitism, then he's not going to win many-if any- seats.
Peterborough was an open goal against a fractured and knackered opposition, and Farage missed.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Cryssys » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:33 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Factually wrong.

In the 2017 general election labour won this Peterborough constituency. To have "lost" the seat the Brexit Party would have had to have first, held it.
A poor effort wriggling Ringo. The BP took part in an by election in a strong leave constituency (61:39) and came second to the Labour Party.

You lost. Get over it.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:34 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Factually wrong.

In the 2017 general election labour won this Peterborough constituency. To have "lost" the seat the Brexit Party would have had to have first, held it.

The Brexit Party did not exist when the 2017 general election took place.

Any news about admitting you were wrong on EU funding coming back to the UK , and the EU allowing the banks to bailed out and not allowing the government to bail out British steel. Which is what I said, and you claimed I was '"making stuff up"?
So the Brexit Party won the seat then?

Fair enough. Must have missed that in all the news about Labour winning it. Fake news I guess.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:35 am

nil_desperandum wrote:Posts the guy who continually accuses other posters of pedantry.
Put simply: if Farage can't win in Peterborough when he's riding high in the opinion polls, in an area that was strongly leave against a divided and troubled Labour Party whose previous candidate had been sent to jail, and whose victorious candidate got embroiled in anti-Semitism, then he's not going to win many-if any- seats.
Peterborough was an open goal against a fractured and knackered opposition, and Farage missed.
Pedantry?

You lay down with dogs. You get flees.

Taste of your own medicine old boy.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:38 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:So the Brexit Party won the seat then?

Fair enough. Must have missed that in all the news about Labour winning it. Fake news I guess.
You cant even bring yourself to admitting that the seat was not held by the Brexit Party in the first place!! Which is what would have to had done to "lose" it. Which is what you said!! So expecting you to hold your hand up about uk taxpayers money coming back in the form of EU regional funding , and the EU treating the banks and British Steel differently when it comes to state aid. Really is a forlorn hope. Hope springs eternally.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:39 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Pedantry?

You lay down with dogs. You get flees.

Taste of your own medicine old boy.
Blimey.
You can tell it's Friday, but 10.30a.m. is a bit early in the day to be starting.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:40 am

nil_desperandum wrote:Blimey.
You can tell it's Friday, but 10.30a.m. is a bit early in the day to be starting.
Yawn.......

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:44 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Pedantry?

You lay down with dogs. You get flees.

Taste of your own medicine old boy.
Happy Friday everyone!
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:46 am

Right ladies.

I'm done for the weekend.

You have yourself a great one

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:46 am

He’s going to be great value today.

Off his face and fuming about democracy letting him down.

Edit - what a shame he’s thrown the towel in.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Devils_Advocate » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:46 am

Cryssys wrote:Peterborough?

Don't you look silly now.
To be fair he always looks silly
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:48 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:You cant even bring yourself to admitting that the seat was not held by the Brexit Party in the first place!! Which is what would have to had done to "lose" it. Which is what you said!! So expecting you to hold your hand up about uk taxpayers money coming back in the form of EU regional funding , and the EU treating the banks and British Steel differently when it comes to state aid. Really is a forlorn hope. Hope springs eternally.

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I'm a Lib Dem Ringo

The Lib Dems lost the Peterborough by election.

Its not that hard to do mate, you can do it if you really want to.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by LeuvenClaret » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:50 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:My fellow fellow Brexiteer travellers and I come from Planet Democracy.

I see that to you, democracy is an alien concept.
My friend it is you who wants your opinion to be steamrolled through parliament without a democratic process in government.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:50 am

Cryssys wrote:A poor effort wriggling Ringo. The BP took part in an by election in a strong leave constituency (61:39) and came second to the Labour Party.

You lost. Get over it.
The Brexit Party did not hold the constituency seat. Therefore they could not "lose" it.

Talking about losing. Quick reminder.

The 2016 Peoples Vote- Democracy means sometimes you lose.


Get over it.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:52 am

LeuvenClaret wrote:My friend it is you who wants your opinion to be steamrolled through parliament without a democratic process in government.
2 words



Article 50.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:53 am

[quote="Lancasterclaret"]I'm a Lib Dem Ringo

The Lib Dems lost the Peterborough by election.

Its not that hard to do mate, you can do it if you really want to.[/quote

EU -

Regional funding

Bail outs




Physician heal thyself.........
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by aggi » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:54 am

Paul Waine wrote:Hi aggi, sorry, I wasn't deliberating passing over your response. I only had time for one quick response earlier today - and felt, in some ways, you might see I was including an indirect response to your post while also more directly addressing IT's statements.

If - and I haven't researched this - USA wanted to renegotiate drug patent periods with Canada and Mexico, I imagine it is because they have shorter periods than USA. As I've posted above, I understand the UK, EU and USA all have the same 20 year period - from the point of discovery.

I'm happy to be corrected/learning a little more if someone has the info.
Fair enough.

Although there are current similarities in EU and US law (with the battlefield currently being data exclusivity periods on biologics, which is only 10 years, and biosimilars which are akin to generic medicines) the US is making a lot of noises about extending these periods, or at least still having a regulated price after the exclusivity period expires.

I believe the US patent system also allows broader categories for patents than other territories, for instance some medicines that are derived from DNA wouldn't be patentable over here but are in the US.

There are reasons why US healthcare costs roughly double what the UK does (for worse outcomes) and one of those is the cost of medicine.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:55 am

Right ladies.

I'm done for the weekend.

You have yourself a great one. Toodle pip

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Spijed » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:56 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Right ladies.

I'm done for the weekend.

You have yourself a great one. Toodle pip
You said that ten minutes ago...
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