aggi wrote:I didn't say it was the UK's fault, more that your complaints about why you thought it was undemocratic were the UK's fault.
It was in response to your I was in the majority that didn't vote for May, yet May gets to choose representation on the Commission, and also May chooses who represents the UK on The Council of the EU.
I'm of the view that the PM is a good proxy for the overall will of the British people whereas your issue seems to be that as you didn't vote for May you want another say in the EU rather than have her represent you.
This messageboard can send anyone a bit mad, but it's not like you to ludicrously misrepresent to this extent, or surmise a conclusion for me that is so far removed from the reality of what was said as to be totally meaningless. Where on earth has the
I want another say come from?? Let's look at what I said:
If it be your will wrote:That is true. I'll gladly concede that one. It is Major's fault we didn't get a say on Maastricht, and Blair's fault we had no say on Lisbon. Yet I, as a person, am still bound by them, and probably will be till I die. The Commission and ECJ are bound by them too.
I was in the majority that didn't vote for Major, and in the majority that didn't vote for Blair. I was in the majority that didn't vote for May, yet May gets to choose representation on the Commission, and also May chooses who represents the UK on The Council of the EU. My MEP does not get to choose the laws they vote on, nor can MEPs alter the treaties.
Wherever the fault lies, it doesn't obviously feel like I had my democratic say in this. Do you feel you have, in all honesty?
I suggested this wasn't very democratic, because at every stage I was actually in the majority, yet got the opposite. I got no say at all on the treaties either. Indeed, less than half the EU population got a say on Maastricht at the time, and nearly half of those voted 'no'. And of those that voted 'yes', about half of them are now dead.
Nobody under the age of 45 had any say on Maastricht at all. And here we are, the EU churning out The Fourth Railway Package, State Aid laws, Public Procurement rules, etc etc, all based on the principles of Maastricht.
I don't want another say (I've no idea what you mean here at all). Once we were (finally) asked, we voted to leave. That's what
I want.