Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[Erasmus]

Some interesting points there, Ringo. A couple of things struck me as particularly significant. Firstly, the leave vote was an expression of acute dissatisfaction with the fact that people had been deprived of the opportunity to make progress in their lives. I think that is the case to a large extent. Unfortunately, there is no suggestion that leaving will do anything at all to alleviate the problems you refer to as giving rise to the leave vote. It's kicking in the wrong door.

Secondly, the likes of Gove, Johnson and Rees-Mogg are very much a part of the establishment elite. They have their own reasons for supporting Brexit, but I can't see any evidence that support for the deprived sections of British society is one of those reasons. On the contrary, the political careers of the pro-leave elite group suggests they have little concern over social deprivation. Once Brexit is achieved they will revert to their establishment elite positions and the deprived sections of society will get nothing from them.

[RingoMcCartney]

London has got some of the poorest areas in the country!

Indeed it has. But those areas aren't inhabited by those who are hell bent and prepared to stoop to any new low to preserve the privilege and entitlement they've so enjoyed , while we've been in the EU.

Compared to the over indulged london, the rest of the country is one big poor area.

[RingoMcCartney]

Some interesting points there, Ringo. A couple of things struck me as particularly significant. Firstly, the leave vote was an expression of acute dissatisfaction with the fact that people had been deprived of the opportunity to make progress in their lives. I think that is the case to a large extent. Unfortunately, there is no suggestion that leaving will do anything at all to alleviate the problems you refer to as giving rise to the leave vote. It's kicking in the wrong door.

Secondly, the likes of Gove, Johnson and Rees-Mogg are very much a part of the establishment elite. They have their own reasons for supporting Brexit, but I can't see any evidence that support for the deprived sections of British society is one of those reasons. On the contrary, the political careers of the pro-leave elite group suggests they have little concern over social deprivation. Once Brexit is achieved they will revert to their establishment elite positions and the deprived sections of society will get nothing from them.

"there is no suggestion that leaving will do anything at all to alleviate the problems"

There in lies the problem. It doesn't matter what you or I believe. Millions of people from areas just like burnley have felt voiceless, forgotten, ignored. While London and the south east has thrived. And the first time they felt theyd be listened to they , many for the first time in generations voted.

And please dont try and roll out the tired old cliches about not knowing what they were voting for, that they fell for the lie on the bus, that they were gullible enough to fall for the lies spewed by toffs. Give the British working class the credit for having 40 odd years to decide whether eu membership has been good for them, their family, their town , their region.

It's not the likes of James Obrian, making his lofty pronouncements about his new found concern for manufacturing and just in time systems, that have seen countless numbers of large , well paid employers vanish from his town. Where was he when Michelin, Buoyant, Lucas, Mullards, John Cotton, Diana Cowpe, and many many many decent paying firms closed their doors for the last time? As were most residents of Chiswick, he was mostly unaffected by it.

Like I said it doesn't matter what you, he or I think. Give the British working class some credit. The referendum gave a voice to the voiceless. If the dwellers of the metropolitan London borough of Ivory Towers, want to continue to stick their fingers in their ears while fighting tooth and nail to preserve their entitlement so be it.

However, I've said it and I'll say it again. If the referendum result is not implemented, millions will turn around and see it as finally confirming their long held suspicions. Which is, politics is run for and on behalf of the middle and upper classes, predominantly in london and the south east. They'll turn round and say , "theres no point voting, it won't change a thing" . Peoples trust I
politics will shattered. The disconnect will become permanent and trans generational. Remoaners may gloat and crow about their "victory" but democracy will be the loser.

There could well be a point in the future when an issue of massive national importance occurs. An issue that you, and other remoaners, feel , needs the People to democratically Express their view point, along with you, through the ballot box. Dont take it for granted that you will be rely on millions of brexiteers to be in your corner. If the referendum result is not delivered. We wont be there.

[Colburn_Claret]

I can’t help but feel your trust is misplaced if you’re extending it to Johnson. Or if you think he’ll get a deal better than May (based on what? His personality? His level of belief?). We’ll soon see.

I'll ignore the fact you never answered my points, they've been said many times already. Anybody could get a better deal than May. I could get a better deal than May. Simply because you would struggle to get anything worse, that could possibly be camouflaged as leaving.
Wether Johnson will deliver is yet to be seen, but as hes the only one who can deliver, I have to trust him.
So far the rhetoric is spot on, but talk isnt action.
Please dont complain or say you've been misled, if we leave with no deal on 31st Oct. It isnt the end game, just the beginning. Not out of choice, but necessity.

[Colburn_Claret]

I don't really understand your reply. You said:

The red lines are Brexit, if you give up on them you give up on Brexit

My point was that a No Deal Brexit is as valid as a Brexit that breaks the red lines. The ballot paper just said leave.

You're the one trying to define what leave means.

You're just plain confusing me now. I cant even work out if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.

As you said the ballot paper just said leave.
Leave, as I've stated many times is about Sovereignty.
Those Red lines you say weren't mentioned, are all the things that keep this country under the decision making authority of the EU.

Those red lines arent a figment of imagination, any deal that doesn't deliver us sovereignty, that doesn't take us out from under the authority of the EU or under the sway of the ECJ, isnt Brexit. On what planet do you think different.

[Colburn_Claret]

By presenting the many different and often mutually exclusive options all of which were campaigned for (with the exception of a No Deal) at once.

Many said it was flawed from the beginning and it was.

That sounds reasonable a ballot paper of remain or 6 different options of leaving.
Do you think by splitting the vote youd have a chance to win?
As I said to aggi, there is now way of wording it, other than it was, that doesn't undermine leave. Despite your theory it was flawed, it was worded that way, because it was the only way it could be. Leave or Remain

Just as all the other moaners spitting their dummies, your objection isnt that leaving without a deal wasnt on the ballot paper, it's just that you wanted to remain and lost.

[Colburn_Claret]

If you’re going to be in all three then clearly there’s no point, but there are countries not in the EU that have some aspects of the above so your statement is incorrect. Besides, I was just pointing out that it very much is Leavers that have taken us to a hard Brexit, contrary to your statement.

I stated in an earlier post Martin, that we could leave with a deal that means we enjoy all three, although the idea of free movement has too many flaws, every country should have the final word on who they let in to their country. What I added was that if we accepted the status quo it could only be as it stands as of 31st Oct. A deal that kept us in all three, but meant we had no say if the EU unilaterally decided to move the goalposts at some future date,wouldn't be. Renegotiate it maybe, tell us what to do, no.

[Devils_Advocate]

That sounds reasonable a ballot paper of remain or 6 different options of leaving.
Do you think by splitting the vote youd have a chance to win?
As I said to aggi, there is now way of wording it, other than it was, that doesn't undermine leave. Despite your theory it was flawed, it was worded that way, because it was the only way it could be. Leave or Remain

Just as all the other moaners spitting their dummies, your objection isnt that leaving without a deal wasnt on the ballot paper, it's just that you wanted to remain and lost.

The original vote should have been to explore leaving v remain. It should have been clear that a leave majority would gave a mandate to look at what deals were available and come back for a confirmatory vote including No Deal and Remain but using ranked voting.

If this would have happened I think you would have seen a more conclusive victory for leave in the first vote and we could have sensibly explored the reality of leave and all options without the country becoming so polaraised and partisan

Hindsight's a wonderful thing though and we are where we are and the only certainty is that avoiding No Deal anyway we can is for the good of everybody in this country apart from the rich and powerful elite who are the only real ones to benefit from Brexit in its current guise

[Colburn_Claret]

You really are daft if you think Boris actually wants a deal. He doesn't. He couldn't care less. He wants it to fail so he can be seen as standing up for people against all those nasty MP's and in return he'll get a majority.

Can you not see that?

No, and you know this because..........

[Spijed]

No, and you know this because..........

Because being PM is All that he's ever wanted.

[Colburn_Claret]

Because the deal Leavers want IS a hard Brexit. Backstop aside the Withdrawal Agreement, defined by the ERG inspired red lines had us withdrawing from everything, free movement, customs union, single market.

Do you sit at home and make this stuff up.
The red lines arent about withdrawing from CU , single market etc
It was about leaving the EU, and the authority it had taken unto itself from Westminster.
If its possible to share the benefits of those things, while not giving the EU the authority to alter them without our agreement, fine. If sharing them means the EU can still change them at anytime, without our agreement then it's a no.
That isnt the definition of a hard Brexit, just Brexit.

It may well be true that the EU won't want us to share those things if we leave we will soon find out , but that's not a problem, it's their choice. They have the right to turn us away just as we should have the right to say, if we dont agree with anything. Brexit isnt just about saying we dont agree, but having the power to walk away if we dont agree. We never said we dont want to deal with, just dont want to be dictated to by them.

[Colburn_Claret]

If we walk away without paying then we won’t be getting any trade deal with our biggest market. Good thinking!

Yeh, it is good thinking. The money is a bargaining chip that had never been used. You say without paying it we wont get a deal. Just reword it, they wont get any money unless they do a deal.

[Spijed]

"Give the British working class the credit for having 40 odd years to decide whether eu membership has been good for them, their family, their town , their region.

I suspect the vast majority of the working class wouldn't blame any previous hardships on the EU, but the Tory party, and their policies in particular.

Also, I see you use the term "British" Working Class. Surely even you must find it odd that the working class in Scotland have little or no animosity towards the EU - Only the English.

[CombatClaret]

That sounds reasonable a ballot paper of remain or 6 different options of leaving.
Do you think by splitting the vote youd have a chance to win?
As I said to aggi, there is now way of wording it, other than it was, that doesn't undermine leave.

Well if all the options were being campaigned for which they were, and some mutually exclusive which they are. Then yes present the different options.

A multiple choice questions was presented as binary.
Perhaps it would have 'undermined' leave, but only by presenting the truth and reality.. Sorry if you think none of those options would have won by standing on their own merits.

[Colburn_Claret]

Given they have said (and we agreed) they won’t negotiate until we’ve settled the bill then the first of your options!

Who is the WE agreed you refer to. I didn't, Boris didn't, I dont recall the house agreeing to it.
If you mean May agreed it, she's history, and her WA has been voted down 3 times. The slate is wiped clean and start again.

[Colburn_Claret]

London has got some of the poorest areas in the country!

But how many of those poorest areas are occupied by immigrants, or second generation migrants.They dont look on the world with same eyes as someone living in a poor area of Lancashire, who's family have lived here for generations.
Same circumstances, but a completely different point of view.

[martin_p]

Indeed it has. But those areas aren't inhabited by those who are hell bent and prepared to stoop to any new low to preserve the privilege and entitlement they've so enjoyed , while we've been in the EU.

Compared to the over indulged london, the rest of the country is one big poor area.

That’ll be even worse when we don’t have the EU to make sure places outside London are getting some investment.

[Colburn_Claret]

Some interesting points there, Ringo. A couple of things struck me as particularly significant. Firstly, the leave vote was an expression of acute dissatisfaction with the fact that people had been deprived of the opportunity to make progress in their lives. I think that is the case to a large extent. Unfortunately, there is no suggestion that leaving will do anything at all to alleviate the problems you refer to as giving rise to the leave vote. It's kicking in the wrong door.

Secondly, the likes of Gove, Johnson and Rees-Mogg are very much a part of the establishment elite. They have their own reasons for supporting Brexit, but I can't see any evidence that support for the deprived sections of British society is one of those reasons. On the contrary, the political careers of the pro-leave elite group suggests they have little concern over social deprivation. Once Brexit is achieved they will revert to their establishment elite positions and the deprived sections of society will get nothing from them.

There's no suggestion that remaining has alleviated the problems of the Greeks. It doesnt alleviate the problems of Italians, if you listen to their populous politicians and media.

I've always found it strange that remainers go on about all the benefits that the EU has given us, without acknowledging or accepting, that there are obvious downsides as well.

I've always been a Socialist. It doesn't mean that I agree with everything the Labour Party has done over the years.
I equally hated the Tories, but I couldn't say that everything they did was bad.

[Colburn_Claret]

The original vote should have been to explore leaving v remain. It should have been clear that a leave majority would gave a mandate to look at what deals were available and come back for a confirmatory vote including No Deal and Remain but using ranked voting.

If this would have happened I think you would have seen a more conclusive victory for leave in the first vote and we could have sensibly explored the reality of leave and all options without the country becoming so polaraised and partisan

Hindsight's a wonderful thing though and we are where we are and the only certainty is that avoiding No Deal anyway we can is for the good of everybody in this country apart from the rich and powerful elite who are the only real ones to benefit from Brexit in its current guise

It sounds reasonable, but it's totally unrealistic. As has been said many times, to get the EU to negotiate a deal Before we've confirmed we are leaving, is impossible, not difficult, impossible. Why would they?
Therefore you have nothing to offer the people to confirm. Just a realistic expectation, that if we vote to leave then the government will do their best to negotiate the best deal that they can. We've wasted 2.5 years failing to do that, hopefully Boris will make up for lost time. At this late date, it is far more likely that any deal will be made post 31st Oct. Sadly we dont live in an ideal world, but the real one.

[Colburn_Claret]

Because being PM is All that he's ever wanted.

And you know this because.....

[android]

Excellent recommended article in the Guardian by Vernon Bogdanor from Kings College for those interested in expert opinion. To be fair, not many on here seem to have fallen for the coup, dictatorship, end of democracy nonsense but if you have, this article explains the counter view succinctly. Summed up in the last line : "Parliament has shown itself not to be the solution to Brexit but the problem."

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[Colburn_Claret]

I suspect the vast majority of the working class wouldn't blame any previous hardships on the EU, but the Tory party, and their policies in particular.

Also, I see you use the term "British" Working Class. Surely even you must find it odd that the working class in Scotland have little or no animosity towards the EU - Only the English.

You make so many assumptions.
If the English working classes blamed the Tories, why did so many Labour voters, vote Leave.
Prior to the referendum all parties had a free vote, there were Tories and Socualists sharing both sides platforms. It's only political expediency that has changed Labour from a free vote to a closed shop.
Scottish workers dont agree. How do you know that. The vote north of the border wasnt unanimous. 32% of Scotland voted Leave. How do you know they weren't the working class. I know they are the minority, but it's still one in every 3.

[Lancasterclaret]

See the Brexit secretary has just realised that 1,000 trucks go across the channel each day with parts for the UK automotive industry.

Want to start talks "now" to avoid any disruption in the event of a "No Deal" Brexit.

That logistical chain hasn't changed since 2016 and was specifically mentioned as part of "Project Fear"

Guess it wasn't "Project Fear"

Nice to read that all the Brexiteers are confusing "recess of parliament" with "proroguing parliament" as well.

[Colburn_Claret]

See the Brexit secretary has just realised that 1,000 trucks go across the channel each day with parts for the UK automotive industry.

Want to start talks "now" to avoid any disruption in the event of a "No Deal" Brexit.

That logistical chain hasn't changed since 2016 and was specifically mentioned as part of "Project Fear"

Guess it wasn't "Project Fear"

Nice to read that all the Brexiteers are confusing "recess of parliament" with "proroguing parliament" as well.

You're late to the party Lancs, this has been discussed already.
We've had 2.5 years to sort issues like this out. TM didn't, not only that she stopped the Civil Service from preparing for issues like this.
Project fear has moved on from inventing dire consequences of Brexit, to a body trying to create the dire consequences of Brexit.

[Lancasterclaret]

Been avoiding the site as there isn't any point posting stuff on here if the reply is going to be "Project Fear" and everyone will be ok.

When you got over your Brexit blues CC, you might well be advised to re-read this thread.

You are not alone, but you come out of it terribly.

[Erasmus]

Ringo, thanks for replying to my post although that reply had no relevance at all to the two points I made.

Colburn, I wasn't suggesting that membership of the EU did benefit the worse off sections of society. I agree that large swathes of the country do have justifiable grievances against the elite groups ruling the country, and I agree that these grievances were expressed in the leave vote of many of the working class.

My point was that neither leaving the EU nor staying in the EU will make any difference to root causes of those grievances. The EU is the wrong target. I might be wrong, but I think it was you who said that leaving the EU will make little or no difference to the daily lives of the people in this country. So the root cause of the widespread sense of alienation will remain just the same.

[tiger76]

You make so many assumptions.
If the English working classes blamed the Tories, why did so many Labour voters, vote Leave.
Prior to the referendum all parties had a free vote, there were Tories and Socualists sharing both sides platforms. It's only political expediency that has changed Labour from a free vote to a closed shop.
Scottish workers dont agree. How do you know that. The vote north of the border wasnt unanimous. 32% of Scotland voted Leave. How do you know they weren't the working class. I know they are the minority, but it's still one in every 3.

You make some valid points CC,just to correct you it was actually 38% for leave in Scotland,including roughly 1 in 3 pro-indy voters.

Labour's biggest problem is their constant infighting,for instance Corbyn appears receptive to another independence vote in the near future,whereas the Scottish Labour leader Richard Leonard is adamantly opposed to any such vote.

This public show of disunity explains why so many of the Scottish electorate,and traditional Labour voters have turned their back on the party,the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing,so how can they expect the general populace to support them.

[android]

See the Brexit secretary has just realised that 1,000 trucks go across the channel each day with parts for the UK automotive industry.

Want to start talks "now" to avoid any disruption in the event of a "No Deal" Brexit.

That logistical chain hasn't changed since 2016 and was specifically mentioned as part of "Project Fear"

Guess it wasn't "Project Fear"

Nice to read that all the Brexiteers are confusing "recess of parliament" with "proroguing parliament" as well.

Welcome back Lancaster! Shame you opened up with a lie, which historically you are not to keen on! Unless of course you have some evidence that Barclay has "just" realised about the trucks across the channel?

I saw Barclay's twitter and it seemed to be an attempt to remind people that the EU need to do something about no deal, as well as us, or both sides lose.

Keep it clean Lancs!

[RingoMcCartney]

Been avoiding the site as there isn't any point posting stuff on here if the reply is going to be "Project Fear" and everyone will be ok.

When you got over your Brexit blues CC, you might well be advised to re-read this thread.

You are not alone, but you come out of it terribly.

Physician, heal thyself......

[Wile E Coyote]

if anyone was ever in doubt about the duplicity of our politicians, then fear not. Just take a listen to any of the tory swine on any media outlet within last 48 hours. Truly a national disgrace. And to think these parasitic fleas encouraged honest people to place their trust in them.

[Lancasterclaret]

Physician, heal thyself......

Jeez Ringo, I'm well aware that I don't either

I've got enough self awareness to be perfectly aware of that.

Maybe, just maybe you might be self aware enough as well to re-read your posts and go "****, that makes me sound like a complete dick"?

And thats me back to lurking

[Lancasterclaret]

Welcome back Lancaster! Shame you opened up with a lie, which historically you are not to keen on! Unless of course you have some evidence that Barclay has "just" realised about the trucks across the channel?

I saw Barclay's twitter and it seemed to be an attempt to remind people that the EU need to do something about no deal, as well as us, or both sides lose.

Keep it clean Lancs!

Only a fleeting visit android.

Still read but not posting

[RingoMcCartney]

Ringo, thanks for replying to my post although that reply had no relevance at all to the two points I made.

Colburn, I wasn't suggesting that membership of the EU did benefit the worse off sections of society. I agree that large swathes of the country do have justifiable grievances against the elite groups ruling the country, and I agree that these grievances were expressed in the leave vote of many of the working class.

My point was that neither leaving the EU nor staying in the EU will make any difference to root causes of those grievances. The EU is the wrong target. I might be wrong, but I think it was you who said that leaving the EU will make little or no difference to the daily lives of the people in this country. So the root cause of the widespread sense of alienation will remain just the same.

You believe my reply had no relevance. It was completely relevant when you actually read what Vernon Bogdanor wrote. He actually mentions Burnley! Not irrelevant, it's just uncomfortable truth for remoaners like your good self.

You claimed

"there is no suggestion that leaving will do anything at all to alleviate the problems you refer to as giving rise to the leave vote. It's kicking in the wrong door."

I'll keep it brief.

The British working class have had 40 odd years to make up their minds, as to whether eu membership has been good for themselves, their family and friends, opportunities, ambition and future.

We dont need remoaners, like you, to embark on their self appointed, Mother Teresaesque , "We have to save you from yourselves" mission, thanks very much.

The British working class can tie our own shoe laces

[android]

Only a fleeting visit android.

Still read but not posting

Oh well. I'm due another break from posting myself. Hope all is well with you apart from the ongoing Brexit agonies.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Been avoiding the site as there isn't any point posting stuff on here if the reply is going to be "Project Fear" and everyone will be ok.

Don't be a soft sod, you can't change the world by what you say on here, or elsewhere.

I hope that you haven't been on the PNE board to tell them how 'racist' we are, like Enola Gay has before.

[RingoMcCartney]

Jeez Ringo, I'm well aware that I don't either

I've got enough self awareness to be perfectly aware of that.

Maybe, just maybe you might be self aware enough as well to re-read your posts and go "****, that makes me sound like a complete dick"?

And thats me back to lurking

Hahaha!

A "complete dick"that just happens to be on the side that actually respects the notion that democracy has to be implemented if there's to be democracy at all.

Where as.........

[RingoMcCartney]

That’ll be even worse when we don’t have the EU to make sure places outside London are getting some investment.

Why can you never find a "yawn" emoji when you need one......

[CombatClaret]

But how many of those poorest areas are occupied by immigrants, or second generation migrants.They dont look on the world with same eyes as someone living in a poor area of Lancashire, who's family have lived here for generations.
Same circumstances, but a completely different point of view.

Colburn once again can't help showing his true colours.

[martin_p]

Welcome back Lancaster! Shame you opened up with a lie, which historically you are not to keen on! Unless of course you have some evidence that Barclay has "just" realised about the trucks across the channel?

I saw Barclay's twitter and it seemed to be an attempt to remind people that the EU need to do something about no deal, as well as us, or both sides lose.

Keep it clean Lancs!

The EU have been ready for no deal for over six months (for a March 29th exit). This is one of the reasons that us getting serious about no deal preparations won’t make a jot of difference to negotiations. They’re ready.

[martin_p]

You believe my reply had no relevance.

You claimed

"there is no suggestion that leaving will do anything at all to alleviate the problems you refer to as giving rise to the leave vote. It's kicking in the wrong door."

I'll keep it brief.

The British working class have had 40 odd years to make up their minds, as to whether eu membership has been good for themselves, their family and friends, opportunities, ambition and future.

We dont need remoaners, like you, to embark on their self appointed, Mother Teresaesque , "We have to save you from yourselves" mission, thanks very much.

The British working class can tie our own shoe laces

Still not in any way relevant, well done.

[martin_p]

Hahaha!

A "complete dick"that just happens to be on the side that actually respects the notion that democracy has to be implemented if there's to be democracy at all.

Where as.........

At least you’re admitting you’re a complete dick. Progress.

[aggi]

But how many of those poorest areas are occupied by immigrants, or second generation migrants.They dont look on the world with same eyes as someone living in a poor area of Lancashire, who's family have lived here for generations.
Same circumstances, but a completely different point of view.

You've talked a few times about London and what it's like.

Can I ask whereabouts in London do you live for these experiences?

[aggi]

You're just plain confusing me now. I cant even work out if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.

As you said the ballot paper just said leave.
Leave, as I've stated many times is about Sovereignty.
Those Red lines you say weren't mentioned, are all the things that keep this country under the decision making authority of the EU.

Those red lines arent a figment of imagination, any deal that doesn't deliver us sovereignty, that doesn't take us out from under the authority of the EU or under the sway of the ECJ, isnt Brexit. On what planet do you think different.

Again, those red lines are your Brexit.

It seems you can't envisage leaving the EU other than on your terms. Leave means leave unless you don't like the terms of us leaving.

The reality is there are many forms of leaving. The ballot paper just said leave the EU, nothing about the ECJ for instance.

Farage talked about a Norway style deal. I guess he isn't on your planet.

[RingoMcCartney]

Still not in any way relevant, well done.

I'll let the person to who my post was addressing decide.

[RingoMcCartney]

At least you’re admitting you’re a complete dick. Progress.

At least dicks are useful!

[martin_p]

At least dicks are useful!

Well you carry on being a useful dick then. Goodnight.

[Spijed]

Seems the EU might be willing to extend the 31 October deadline.

[bfcjg]

The whole Brexit thing was an I'll thought out shambles designed by Cameron to unite the Tories nothing else. There should have been years of informed debate then a referendum, if the result was leave a negotiated deal should have been in place prior to enacting article 50. The Tories in fact politicians of all persuasions are just useless

[RingoMcCartney]

Well you carry on being a useful dick then. Goodnight.

Morning useless dick, hope you slept well.

[Elizabeth]

While on the side of the referendum result being implemented and of the belief that the EU will only agree to some amendment of the Withdrawal Agreement with No Deal still on the table, I am genuinely upset by what is happening.
Nobody, no matter how they voted, should have been put in the the present serious position they have been of worrying about their futures and those of the families .