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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:41 pm

Elizabeth wrote:Come on Never Ready Eddie , it was only a radio show.

Surprise me , give us all an opinion on Brexit, any opinion .
A post from the parody

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:41 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:We do and suppliers do.
Currently no issues moving parts to every part of the world apart from selling parts to Iraq, that’s being problematic at the moment. Still getting there but with some delays.
So you do rely on 3rd Party supplies then?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:42 pm

None of them expecting any issues at all?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:43 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Get stuffed, Ringo. Is that really all you've got left - some lame contribution from Eliza Nolittle ?
You're a prick. The kind of prick that clickbait-style radio phone-ins welcome with open arms. You're just too self-centred, pi$$ed or stupid to realise why.
I feel sorry for you.
And as if by magic , the poster who has a worrying obsession about the parody. With the usual unthinking, unhinged bucket mouthed nonsense! Moments later.!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:44 pm

I agree, that byline report is a perfect example of not very clever people writing their conclusion and then working backwards to write an article.

Just because genuinely clever people are trying to make money on this does not prove, or even make probable, that Johnson or Cummings have made money from it (the implication).

I have a simple rule - when my bullsh1t radar goes off, I then dismiss anything coming from the same source. Byline fits the bill.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndrewJB » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:45 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:Not that we didn't all know already that brexit was all about disaster capitalists but it seems the extent to which the rich, establishment types are playing the working class is finally being revealed.


https://bylinetimes.com/2019/09/11/brex ... e-backers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In the best tradition of wannabe dictators, Johnson is telling us our elected representatives are undemocratic, and now our judiciary is too. This idea that two main pillars of our way of life - that have served us reasonably well for hundreds of years - are “against the people” whereas an unelected prime minister is standing up for the people is just “dictator 101”

I always thought our unwritten constitution was something to take pride in. I might have some heavy socialist opinions, but I’m not into trashing tradition in the way we govern our.country. This is my conservative side (which we all have). But along comes a PM who pushes the boundaries and - against the real democratic ideal of finding consensus - abuses our unwritten constitution and tried to sideline parliament, and then claims it is against the people (no doubt tomorrow’s press will be full of how the judiciary is too). He’s treating our country like it’s his own personal thing, and our laws and political system as an inconvenient obstacle in his way.

An egomaniac like him will never deliver Brexit, if “taking back control” means trashing our unique political system.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:48 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:He also claims to work. And to have quit the rat race to look after the poorest in society.

These multiple personalities do tend to catch up with folk after a while.
:lol: :lol:

The message boards very own Walter Mitty!
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:50 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:You certainly stopped trying to discuss anything. When was the last time you presented (supported by any sort of evidence) a benefit of Brexit?
One benefit of leaving would mean I'd no longer have to come on threads like this to school democracy denying remoaners, ever again.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:51 pm

Paul Waine wrote:Hi dsr, exchange rates shouldn't have any effect on gasoline or diesel trade - oil is traded globally in USD. So, fall in value of GBP won't be an offset for any EU duties - our petrol price at the pump always has an element of the USD/GBP exchange rate.

On the other hand, gasoline and diesel is often imported into Europe from USA - I'm not sure what 4.7% tariffs have affected that. Similarly, a lot of the crude oil refined in EU (including UK) refineries comes from West Africa - which also, as I understand it, carries the same tariff.

I wonder why the "2 refineries may close" section has been redacted from Yellowhammer? Is it because it's a non-issue? It would only take a couple of days to speak to the UK refiners and get some facts?
You forget, dsr knows better than any expert.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by dsr » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:52 pm

Paul Waine wrote:Hi dsr, exchange rates shouldn't have any effect on gasoline or diesel trade - oil is traded globally in USD. So, fall in value of GBP won't be an offset for any EU duties - our petrol price at the pump always has an element of the USD/GBP exchange rate.

On the other hand, gasoline and diesel is often imported into Europe from USA - I'm not sure what 4.7% tariffs have affected that. Similarly, a lot of the crude oil refined in EU (including UK) refineries comes from West Africa - which also, as I understand it, carries the same tariff.

I wonder why the "2 refineries may close" section has been redacted from Yellowhammer? Is it because it's a non-issue? It would only take a couple of days to speak to the UK refiners and get some facts?
Straight imports/exports won't be affected, but the UK's own oil, and oil refined in the UK will be at a competitive advantage because domestic wages and overheads are (I assume) paid in Sterling. Obviously this advantage is offset to a greater or lesser degree by the tariffs. But the point is that tariffs are bad news but not entirely bad news.

The other bit these yellowhammer papers don't mention is that while UK refineries exporting to Europe are at a competitive disadvantage because of tariffs, EU refineries exporting to the UK are at a double competitive disadvantage because of tariffs and exchange rates. It works both ways. Two competing refineries, one in France and one in the UK, may experience losses of sales to each other. It won't be all one way.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by LoveCurryPies » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:53 pm

YELLOWHAMMER REPORT confirms:

Food & fuel shortages
Lack of medicines
Civil unrest
Job losses
Months of delays at ports/airports
Social care providers going bust
Police unable to cope
Price increases to hit most vulnerable

BUT
Blue passports
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by dsr » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:54 pm

martin_p wrote:You forget, dsr knows better than any expert.
Next time you have nothing to say, try saying it.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:55 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:You certainly stopped trying to discuss anything. When was the last time you presented (supported by any sort of evidence) a benefit of Brexit?
Funnily enough he didn’t manage to answer that question when asked it on the radio today, with or without evidence (cue response not relating to the point made with lots of :lol: talking about ‘schooling remoaners’). I even asked him to ‘educate me’ on something he claimed I knew nothing about today giving him the opportunity to ‘school me’. I’ll let you guess if he did or not.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:56 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Hey Ringo, nice to see you at the meeting tonight.
Hiya Lowbank, sorry I could only pop in briefly. I'd taken my son thai boxing and rushed round to show my face. With it being a school night I needed to get him home.

I'll be in touch away from here! ;)

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:57 pm

dsr wrote:Next time you have nothing to say, try saying it.
Worked out who has sovereignty in the uk yet?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:00 am

dsr wrote:Straight imports/exports won't be affected, but the UK's own oil, and oil refined in the UK will be at a competitive advantage because domestic wages and overheads are (I assume) paid in Sterling. Obviously this advantage is offset to a greater or lesser degree by the tariffs. But the point is that tariffs are bad news but not entirely bad news.

The other bit these yellowhammer papers don't mention is that while UK refineries exporting to Europe are at a competitive disadvantage because of tariffs, EU refineries exporting to the UK are at a double competitive disadvantage because of tariffs and exchange rates. It works both ways. Two competing refineries, one in France and one in the UK, may experience losses of sales to each other. It won't be all one way.
You haven’t read the bit about the government introducing zero tariffs for petrol imports then.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndrewJB » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:02 am

dsr wrote:Straight imports/exports won't be affected, but the UK's own oil, and oil refined in the UK will be at a competitive advantage because domestic wages and overheads are (I assume) paid in Sterling. Obviously this advantage is offset to a greater or lesser degree by the tariffs. But the point is that tariffs are bad news but not entirely bad news.

The other bit these yellowhammer papers don't mention is that while UK refineries exporting to Europe are at a competitive disadvantage because of tariffs, EU refineries exporting to the UK are at a double competitive disadvantage because of tariffs and exchange rates. It works both ways. Two competing refineries, one in France and one in the UK, may experience losses of sales to each other. It won't be all one way.
The U.K. isn’t imposing tariffs on EU oil.
Exit: I should just write: what Martin said... :)
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by dsr » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:05 am

martin_p wrote:You haven’t read the bit about the government introducing zero tariffs for petrol imports then.
I didn't realise the government's review had been completed. Have they now announced definitely that there will be no tariffs on fuel? It's only 3 weeks ago that they announced they were thinking about it.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:07 am

dsr wrote:I didn't realise the government's review had been completed. Have they now announced definitely that there will be no tariffs on fuel?
Just read the bleeding thing you’re trying to debate! It’s a ‘reasonable worse case scenario’ and is (as it says) based on the government having a policy of zero tariffs on petrol imports, presumably to avoid petrol price increases.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by If it be your will » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:08 am

AndrewJB wrote:In the best tradition of wannabe dictators, Johnson is telling us our elected representatives are undemocratic, and now our judiciary is too.
The situation is clearly darkening. I thought proroguing parliament was a step too far, but I still put it - just about - in the 'part of the fun and games' category. I thought Grieve's bill was an even darker step (everyone has the right to private communications). But this was the darkest step of all: We note that last week the High Court in London did not rule that prorogation was unlawful. The legal activists choose the Scottish courts for a reason according to a 'Number 10 source'.

The judges might be biased, who knows? But once politicians start accusing the judiciary of bias, especially without a scrap of supporting evidence, that really is a dangerous step indeed, and, like you say, exactly what despotic tyrants do. We have no idea who this 'Number 10 source is', though, and there's no evidence it was Johnson himself. You might also be encouraged that everyone else seems to have distanced themselves from this comment. But we seem to be approaching a precipice, I agree.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:11 am

If it be your will wrote:The situation is clearly darkening. I thought proroguing parliament was a step too far, but I still put it - just about - in the 'part of the fun and games' category. I thought Grieve's bill was an even darker step (everyone has the right to private communications).
Not when it’s government officials talking about government business they don’t.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:14 am

Away from all the nonsense on here. Away from the jumping up and down by democracy denying remoaners. In the real world-


More than half of British adults believe the result of the 2016 referendum should be respected, and Brexit delivered, says a new poll.

54% agree the referendum result should be respected, the survey by ComRes found.

Just 25% disagreed and 21 per cent didn’t know.

Of those who voted Remain in 2016, more than a third (35 per cent) said they now wanted Brexit delivered.



Proving at least 2 things.

1, There are actually remainers who accept democracy.

2, Lancasterclarets ghoulish prediction (wish) that brexiteers would have died off by now. Was not only distasteful but way off the mark.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:23 am

aggi wrote:Operation Yellowhammer documents released
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... ns_CDL.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

For those like Ringo who claim that one reason they're for Brexit is helping those who are less well off then point 17 should probably be looked at:

17. Low income groups will be disproportionately affected by any price rises in food and fuel.

1 Have food and fuel prices risen while we've been members of the Common Market / EU?

Yes or no?

2 Have Low income groups been disproportionately affected by those price rises in food and fuel.?

Yes or No?

3 Did millions of voters in low income groups vote Leave?

Yes or No?
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:26 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Away from all the nonsense on here. Away from the jumping up and down by democracy denying remoaners. In the real world-


More than half of British adults believe the result of the 2016 referendum should be respected, and Brexit delivered, says a new poll.

54% agree the referendum result should be respected, the survey by ComRes found.

Just 25% disagreed and 21 per cent didn’t know.

Of those who voted Remain in 2016, more than a third (35 per cent) said they now wanted Brexit delivered.



Proving at least 2 things.

1, There are actually remainers who accept democracy.

2, Lancasterclarets ghoulish prediction (wish) that brexiteers would have died off by now. Was not only distasteful but way off the mark.
Interestingly that same poll is giving the Tories just a 1% lead in general election voting intentions. The Telegraph seems to have missed that.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by If it be your will » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:29 am

martin_p wrote:Not when it’s government officials talking about government business they don’t.
I think the situation is darkening, on both sides. Both sides are going to have to pull back. If you think it's only darkening on the leave side, I think you're mistaken.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:35 am

Nobody is buying it Ringo.

Looks like you're stuck with me

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by dsr » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:39 am

martin_p wrote:Just read the bleeding thing you’re trying to debate! It’s a ‘reasonable worse case scenario’ and is (as it says) based on the government having a policy of zero tariffs on petrol imports, presumably to avoid petrol price increases.
I was talking about why yellowhammer won't come true in the real world. I'm not denying that in the pessimistic worst-case world of yellowhammer, that all yellowhammer's doom and gloom will happen. But in the real world, it depends on real government policy - whatever that may be. And I would be surprised if, in the real world, the government doesn't reverse May's eccentric policy of no tariffs.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by bfcmik » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:34 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:One benefit of leaving would mean I'd no longer have to come on threads like this to school democracy denying remoaners, ever again.
"... a referendum on any topic can only be advisory for the lawmakers in Parliament unless very clear language to the contrary is in the referendum legislation in question. No such language is used in the 2015 Referendum Act. Further, the 2015 Referendum Act was passed against a background including a clear briefing paper to parliamentarians explaining that the referendum would have advisory effect only." UK Supreme Court judgement in Miller & Santos v Secretary of State, 2016 (para. 105–6).

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Greenmile » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:52 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:Hey Ringo, nice to see you at the meeting tonight.
AA?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Greenmile » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:06 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:I'm not convinced you understand how humour works.

Or self-deprecation for that matter
I don’t do this very often but...

Whoosh

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Burnley Ace » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:11 am

If it be your will wrote:The situation is clearly darkening. I thought proroguing parliament was a step too far, but I still put it - just about - in the 'part of the fun and games' category. I thought Grieve's bill was an even darker step (everyone has the right to private communications). But this was the darkest step of all: We note that last week the High Court in London did not rule that prorogation was unlawful. The legal activists choose the Scottish courts for a reason according to a 'Number 10 source'.

The judges might be biased, who knows? But once politicians start accusing the judiciary of bias, especially without a scrap of supporting evidence, that really is a dangerous step indeed, and, like you say, exactly what despotic tyrants do. We have no idea who this 'Number 10 source is', though, and there's no evidence it was Johnson himself. You might also be encouraged that everyone else seems to have distanced themselves from this comment. But we seem to be approaching a precipice, I agree.
There is an interesting spin being put on this by leavers. The High Court did not rule that it was lawful or unlawful they said it wasn’t a question for the Court (not justiciable). The interpretation of constitutional law in Scotland is different, that is why all these cases challenging the gov start there. Nothing to do with the Judges.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:17 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:1 Have food and fuel prices risen while we've been members of the Common Market / EU?

Yes or no?

2 Have Low income groups been disproportionately affected by those price rises in food and fuel.?

Yes or No?

3 Did millions of voters in low income groups vote Leave?

Yes or No?
Of course we’d all still be doing the weekly big shop for £1.70 if we hadn’t joined the EU.

Or to counter you sensibly:

Point 1 isn’t cause and effect so even though the answer to questions 2 & 3 is “yes” the link you have made is fanciful.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:18 am

Seriously Lowbank

None of your suppliers use supply chains that are going to be affected at all, and at the same time, your worldwide in house run distribution network won't be affected?

Hmmmmm

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:49 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Hiya Lowbank, sorry I could only pop in briefly. I'd taken my son thai boxing and rushed round to show my face. With it being a school night I needed to get him home.

I'll be in touch away from here! ;)
Just to avoid any confusion, I am not the candidate, but will hopefully see you at the next meeting.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:54 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Seriously Lowbank

None of your suppliers use supply chains that are going to be affected at all, and at the same time, your worldwide in house run distribution network won't be affected?

Hmmmmm
It’s not in house logistics, it’s subcontracted!!

Lots of Brexit planning has been done so now it is believed there will be no impact.

That’s exactly what the document released is for.
Identify risks and mitigate.

You guys just think that it’s all going to happen all at once, it won’t.

As I said earlier probably 5% will happen but it would get sorted.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:00 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:It’s not in house logistics, it’s subcontracted!!

Lots of Brexit planning has been done so now it is believed there will be no impact.

That’s exactly what the document released is for.
Identify risks and mitigate.

You guys just think that it’s all going to happen all at once, it won’t.

As I said earlier probably 5% will happen but it would get sorted.
Right! Glad you qualified that you don't use in house logistics. i was really struggling to get my head around that one with your worldwide distribution.

Good to hear that steps are being taken to mitigate the damage in your business.

Part of my problem with all this is that stuff like this is being hidden, when if its released earlier people have both a knowledge of the risks involved and what they can potentially do to mitigate it.

I think from what you've said its fair to say that the majority of your stuff doesn't go cross-channel in the back of a wagon? (would that be fair?) and that is where the problems are going to be most severe (in the event of a No Deal).

Be interesting to see what the issues are going to be up near us at Heysham

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by aggi » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:13 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:1 Have food and fuel prices risen while we've been members of the Common Market / EU?

Yes or no?

In real terms - no. Average earnings have outstripped RPI over that period.

2 Have Low income groups been disproportionately affected by those price rises in food and fuel.?

Yes or No?

Given we've established that prices haven't risen in real terms this question doesn't seem to apply.

3 Did millions of voters in low income groups vote Leave?

Yes or No?

Yes

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by aggi » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:44 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:It’s not in house logistics, it’s subcontracted!!

Lots of Brexit planning has been done so now it is believed there will be no impact.

That’s exactly what the document released is for.
Identify risks and mitigate.

You guys just think that it’s all going to happen all at once, it won’t.

As I said earlier probably 5% will happen but it would get sorted.
It's not just us. The Yellowhammer documents had a 40-60% decrease in capacity over the Channel on the first day.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by quoonbeatz » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:45 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote: Just because genuinely clever people are trying to make money on this does not prove, or even make probable, that Johnson or Cummings have made money from it (the implication).
That isn't the implication.

Get a better radar.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:46 am

If it be your will wrote:I think the situation is darkening, on both sides. Both sides are going to have to pull back. If you think it's only darkening on the leave side, I think you're mistaken.
I was just stating the fact that written communications between officials on official business is a matter of public record not private communications, always has been.

But for what it’s worth I think it’s entirely reasonable for Parliament to request access to those records if it thinks it’s being lied to. If wouldn’t normally be an issue as a majority government couldn’t be forced to release them until they came into the public domain after how ever many years is the rule, but Johnson has put himself in a position where it’s difficult to avoid full scrutiny.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:57 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:And as if by magic , the poster who has a worrying obsession about the parody. With the usual unthinking, unhinged bucket mouthed nonsense! Moments later.!


A worrying obsession ? Don't flatter yourself.

Far from it - I'm merely pointing out again your idiocy in attempting to run, at least, two accounts and doing it in a very silly, amateurish way.
You'd have been far better off having Elizabeth as a Remainer but becoming increasingly critical of the way the Remainers are conducting themselves, having her chipping away, just throwing in the odd valid-ish point every now and then.

I did it a few years ago on a Bolton Wanderers board. One account being the hostile, gleeful Burnley fan, the other a long-suffering Trotters fan with patience sadly running out. The Burnley fan was scornful as Bolton slid down the table, the Bolton fan found himself in the awful position of having to criticise the management, some of the players and the lack of support. Not too much - and it worked a treat. Even some of the Billy Bull shitters such as yourself began to agree with some of the fabricated points.

All you've done, however, is create a watered down version of yourself with slightly less bullshit and conceit.

Stylometry is not a difficult science; word choice, sentence structure, repetition, punctuation, sentence length, syntax, figurative speech, humour - or lack of it, tone and so on are all quite noticeable habits in anybody's writing. We all do it, it's just that your subtle little game isn't just, well, subtle enough.

As I said, I feel sorry for you - you appear to have some serious psychological weakness. You're harmless enough.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Spijed » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:11 am

If we do leave before an election how will the Conservatives win seats where the only excuse to vote for them is Brexit.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Spijed » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:12 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:I agree, that byline report is a perfect example of not very clever people writing their conclusion and then working backwards to write an article.

Just because genuinely clever people are trying to make money on this does not prove, or even make probable, that Johnson or Cummings have made money from it (the implication).

I have a simple rule - when my bullsh1t radar goes off, I then dismiss anything coming from the same source. Byline fits the bill.
Why wouldn't they be trying to make money from it?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by taio » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:12 am

Spijed wrote:If we do leave before an election how will the Conservatives win seats where the only excuse to vote for them is Brexit.
Because people will vote for other reasons as they have always done.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by android » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:15 am

But meanwhile Ringo aka "Paul from Burnley" the fame grows...

Nicky Campbell on BBC Radio 5 Live was sufficiently impressed by your contribution yesterday to play back some of what you had said yesterday for the benefit of a Labour MP he was interviewing this morning. Nicky Campbell then went on to quote what you had said about Labour voters potentially holding their noses and voting Conservative.

It was between 8.10 and 8.15 this morning.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:19 am

Bordeauxclaret will be thrilled.

Ringo is truly going national.

Ps does anyone really believe that Ringo has voted Labour even fairly recently?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:22 am

android wrote:But meanwhile Ringo aka "Paul from Burnley" the fame grows...

Nicky Campbell on BBC Radio 5 Live was sufficiently impressed by your contribution yesterday to play back some of what you had said yesterday for the benefit of a Labour MP he was interviewing this morning. Nicky Campbell then went on to quote what you had said about Labour voters potentially holding their noses and voting Conservative.

It was between 8.10 and 8.15 this morning.
I hope Nicky was quoting that in context. ‘Paul from Burnley’ is Brexit Party through and through and only said he might ‘hold his nose’ and vote Tory in the event of a Tory/Brexit Party deal meaning he didn’t have the option of voting Brexit Party in Burnley.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Rick_Muller » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:23 am

evensteadiereddie wrote:You're harmless enough.
Can I pick you up on that point. He's the type of person who would gleefully share the Britain's First posts on social media, you know, the ones with Farage in front of a poster with "brown people" on it and then moaning about immigration (when we all know that "brown" refugees are not immigrants from eastern Europe).

So for me, he is dangerous not harmless. He is exactly the type of person who has been triggered by Brexiteers to peddle the lies of Brexit because of his inherent racism that he clearly is also unaware of (perhaps he is, then that makes him even worse!)

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by vinrogue » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:24 am

DEAL, NO DEAL, HARD DEAL, SOFT DEAL, BACKSTOP, DOORSTOP, ELECTION, NO ELECTION, REFERENDUM DEAL, NO DEAL, REMAIN, DON'T REMAIN, REFERENDUM ACCEPT THE DEAL, REMAIN, NO DEAL, BORDER, NO BORDER, ALAN BORDER, BACKSTOP, ELECTION..........SORTED AND THE COUNTRY UNITES BEHIND OUR SAVIOURS AND AMONGST ALL THE PEOPLES IT DID SEE LOVE AND HARMONY FILLING OUR STREETS WITH JOY AT THE OUTCOME...........Bring on BHA ;) at least then I will not be tempted to read anymore The Naked Truth

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:24 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Bordeauxclaret will be thrilled.

Ringo is truly going national.

Ps does anyone really believe that Ringo has voted Labour even fairly recently?
That’s what he said. He then called on MPs to ‘deliver what they promised’ which means he’s delighted Labour have stuck to their promise of rejecting ‘no deal’ and a deal that doesn’t have a customs union. He’s hiding it well of course.

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