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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BleedingClaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:14 am

Cryssys wrote:Perhaps Boris could appeal to the ECJ?
Course he can why couldn’t he until we leave the EU

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndrewJB » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:14 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:The liberal elite are slowly but surely getting their way.

Working class people may as well not bother voting in future. If those at the top don't like their vote, they will just frustrate the process to the point of it never being enacted at all.

That may be absolutely fine with many on here, but one day it will bite them in their rear.
Im sorry, but if there were some sort of “liberal elite” that pulls all the strings, we wouldn’t have had austerity and the conditions which have led to people voting for Brexit. Everything happens within the set out process, and if anyone is bending the rules here it is Johnson, proroguing parliament. I feel sympathy with those leavers who feel let down, but the only people to blame are the Tories who have been in government the whole time, and not delivered.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:15 am

It looks like Boris Johnson will have to resign today after his unlawful suspension of Parliament.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndrewJB » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:16 am

Mala591 wrote:The democratic will of the people is sovereign.
Only at the ballot box when electing MPs. After that parliament is sovereign (in the name of the people).

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by claret2018 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:18 am

Dry your eyes Brexiteers, this is precisely what you voted for
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:18 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:The ruling said it was nothing to do with Brexit.

But hey, lets just go off on one about libs eh?

You either have a government that obeys the law, or you don't. Glad to see that you don't want a government to obey the law.
And if you believe that i've got a flying pig to sell you.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BleedingClaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:19 am

AndrewJB wrote:Only at the ballot box when electing MPs. After that parliament is sovereign (in the name of the people).
Wonder if the 11 justices would rule that MP’s knowingly standing on policies that they had they knowingly intended not to support was illegal
No thought not

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BleedingClaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:20 am

Time for talking is over
17.4 lace your boots

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by JohnMcGreal » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:20 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Time for talking is over
17.4 lace your boots
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndrewJB » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:20 am

BleedingClaret wrote:I’ve submitted this to Collins as the greatest example of Irony there has ever been
Greater than the irony of wanting to take back control to our parliament and then shutting it down?
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:22 am

AndrewJB wrote:It’s the press that are a kind of rudder for British public opinion; playing down Johnson’s transgressions, lies, and outright refusal to even comment on certain issues, while playing him up as a kind of “people’s champion” and misrepresenting the political situation as the people’s own elected representatives and judiciary as against the people. If Corbyn or Swinson had prorogued Parliament, the Daily Mail would be falling for revolution.
Then why wasnt it illegal when Major prorogued Parliament.
Its happened before, never been taken to court, never been classed as illegal.

The outcome today was never in doubt, you just had to look at the background of the judges making the ruling.

This idea that Parliament is sovereign is a real twist on fact. The people elected the government, they should be allowed to govern. Parliament is there to hold the government to account, and debate policies. They arent there to take over, not without the say of the people. They have always had the power to vote no confidence in the government, they've always had the power to force a GE, but that isnt what this is about. It's about neutering the Government. Leaving them in power, but stopping them from doing their job.
That is the biggest slap in the face to democracy.
What you also dont seem to understand, is that the people see through all this bullshit. Leavers, and the majority of Remainers who arent blinkered, see this as just another attempt to overturn the referendum. Those that orchestrated it will pay the price at the ballot box, if they ever have the guts to go to the country.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:22 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Time for talking is over
17.4 lace your boots
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:22 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Time for talking is over
17.4 lace your boots
Good luck with that.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:23 am

"The prime minister’s advice to Her Majesty [ to suspend parliament] was unlawful, void and of no effect. This means that the Order in Council to which it led was also unlawful, void and of no effect should be quashed.

“This means that when the royal commissioners walked into the House of Lords [to prorogue parliament] it was as if they walked in with a blank sheet of paper. The prorogation was also void and of no effect. Parliament has not been prorogued.”

Incredible, this scumbag actually lied and deceived the Queen to unlawfully suspend Parliament, he should immediately be arrested.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:23 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:And if you believe that i've got a flying pig to sell you.
I'm going off what the judges said CM

What are you going off?
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndrewJB » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:24 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Wonder if the 11 justices would rule that MP’s knowingly standing on policies that they had they knowingly intended not to support was illegal
No thought not
If that were the standard by which MPs are judged, Cameron’s government in 2010 would have been ruled illegal within just a few weeks.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:24 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Time for talking is over
17.4 lace your boots
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You'll be needing instructions...

https://theidleman.com/blogs/style/lace-boots-properly" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:24 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Wonder if the 11 justices would rule that MP’s knowingly standing on policies that they had they knowingly intended not to support was illegal
No thought not
This could be a red letter day for non-experts pretending they have a scooby doo.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by claret2018 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:24 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Time for talking is over
17.4 lace your boots
Oh mate

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:26 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:Then why wasnt it illegal when Major prorogued Parliament.
Its happened before, never been taken to court, never been classed as illegal.
Read the judgement mate all will be explained for you in there.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:27 am

This is it in a nutshell

"The reality is plain. A prime minister with no electoral mandate or majority tried to unlawfully suspend parliament."

You back that, and you've really got to think about were you stand on democracy going forward.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Damo » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:27 am

Soubry is on sky news talking about democracy and the people taking back control.
She is so far detached from reality its unreal :lol:

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:27 am

You win again Brexiters.

Aren't you just sooo tired of winning?

Please, keep winning :)

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:28 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:you've really got to think
That's where it breaks down :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:30 am

Damo wrote:Soubry is on sky news talking about democracy and the people taking back control.
She is so far detached from reality its unreal :lol:
You need to seperate the Brexit question from this, or you just won't be able to "get it"

This is 100% about the executive trying to stop Parliament doing its job. Its a matter of what is legal or not.

Every single judge said it was illegal. Every single one.

Thats it.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Walton » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:33 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Time for talking is over
17.4 lace your boots
The majority will just need to fasten the velcro on their shoes
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Damo » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:33 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:You need to seperate the Brexit question from this, or you just won't be able to "get it"

This is 100% about the executive trying to stop Parliament doing its job. Its a matter of what is legal or not.

Every single judge said it was illegal. Every single one.

Thats it.
What does that have to do with the people taking back control?
The people?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndrewJB » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:33 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:Then why wasnt it illegal when Major prorogued Parliament.
Its happened before, never been taken to court, never been classed as illegal.

The outcome today was never in doubt, you just had to look at the background of the judges making the ruling.

This idea that Parliament is sovereign is a real twist on fact. The people elected the government, they should be allowed to govern. Parliament is there to hold the government to account, and debate policies. They arent there to take over, not without the say of the people. They have always had the power to vote no confidence in the government, they've always had the power to force a GE, but that isnt what this is about. It's about neutering the Government. Leaving them in power, but stopping them from doing their job.
That is the biggest slap in the face to democracy.
What you also dont seem to understand, is that the people see through all this bullshit. Leavers, and the majority of Remainers who arent blinkered, see this as just another attempt to overturn the referendum. Those that orchestrated it will pay the price at the ballot box, if they ever have the guts to go to the country.
You're wrong. People elect MPs, and MPs then form governments. A group of MPs in the house who command a majority can form a government. If the leader of that government, for whatever inexplicable reason, decides to no longer work with (let's say for example out of thin air) twenty-one MPs, and this takes away his ability to command a majority in the house, then that leader is no longer able to lead effectively. The house still operates as before, and if enough MPs within it form an alternative majority then legislation can be passed. Ideally this group would form a government, but there's no rule saying they have to.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:34 am

Colburn_Claret wrote: This idea that Parliament is sovereign is a real twist on fact. The people elected the government, they should be allowed to govern.
The people didn't elect this government, they elected the last one. 0.13% put this current mob in charge. Parliament being sovereign is what brexiteers were fighting for all this time, isn't it?
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:35 am

Damo wrote:What does that have to do with the people taking back control?
The people?
Circles here Damo

We live in a parliamentary democracy.

JOhnson tried to shut that down

He lost 11-0.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by android » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:36 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:The ruling said it was nothing to do with Brexit.
That's simply untrue Lancs. Read the ruling - it makes it clear that it is due to the "extreme effect" of the UK leaving the EU on 31 October. So everything to do with Brexit.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndrewJB » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:36 am

On the subject of irony, the same people who insisted Johnson's prorogation had nothing at all to do with brexit, are now insisting that the ruling of the supreme court has everything to do with brexit.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:37 am

Oh dear, John Bercow will probably have to cut short his very very lucrative tour, telling the world how fabulous he is!!
It is , indeed, a bleak day for Bercows bank balance!!






Every cloud!

:lol: :lol:

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:37 am

This is great news for our democracy and for holding our govt to account but from a Brexit perspective it doesnt change the fact that you Brexiteers still have every chance of getting a No Deal Brexit.

It just means that you are going to have to do it by a democratic way by getting majority support specifically for No Deal either through a GE or 2nd Ref.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:38 am

android wrote:That's simply untrue Lancs. Read the ruling - it makes it clear that it is due to the "extreme effect" of the UK leaving the EU on 31 October. So everything to do with Brexit.
Yes, but the actual ruling is nothing to do with Brexit.

You can claim a victory if you want, but the only reason this came about is that a government with no majority tried to shut down parliament so it couldn't be scrutinised.

Brexit is linked in only that is where we are and that is why we are where we are at.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BleedingClaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:39 am

claret2018 wrote:Oh mate
Why not
Good British Behaviour is based on a a belief in a sense of overall fairness and a gut understanding of right and wrong
Just like if we queue and there’s a fire alarm that is then a false alarm we attempt to get back in our place in the queue.
The Referendum should have been enacted just as a result of a GE is honoured in every case, and then the campaign to overturn it could have begun just as the opposition start out on day 1 of a new Government to undermine and then succeed it.
To me it is no different to a winning political party not being allowed to form the government
If they had got 52% of the vote, this would paint us a rogue state
I Pal am a soft arsed pussy 99.9% of the time
But presently 100kg of angry British man
X that x 17.4 million

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BleedingClaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:40 am

Devils_Advocate wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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How the f@ck did you get a pic of me

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:41 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Why not
Good British Behaviour is based on a a belief in a sense of overall fairness and a gut understanding of right and wrong
Just like if we queue and there’s a fire alarm that is then a false alarm we attempt to get back in our place in the queue.
The Referendum should have been enacted just as a result of a GE is honoured in every case, and then the campaign to overturn it could have begun just as the opposition start out on day 1 of a new Government to undermine and then succeed it.
To me it is no different to a winning political party not being allowed to form the government
If they had got 52% of the vote, this would paint us a rogue state
I Pal am a soft arsed pussy 99.9% of the time
But presently 100kg of angry British man
X that x 17.4 million
I'm still going to say

"Good luck with that"

*Cheers for the heads up bleeding!
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BleedingClaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:42 am

Walton wrote:The majority will just need to fasten the velcro on their shoes
I’ve seen the state of the young uns
I’m 52 and would kick most of their arses

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BleedingClaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:43 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm still going to stay

"Good luck with that"
I don’t understand
Stay
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:43 am

Today's ruling -


THE BEST FORM OF DEMOCRACY THAT MONEY CAN BUY

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndrewJB » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:46 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Why not
Good British Behaviour is based on a a belief in a sense of overall fairness and a gut understanding of right and wrong
Just like if we queue and there’s a fire alarm that is then a false alarm we attempt to get back in our place in the queue.
The Referendum should have been enacted just as a result of a GE is honoured in every case, and then the campaign to overturn it could have begun just as the opposition start out on day 1 of a new Government to undermine and then succeed it.
To me it is no different to a winning political party not being allowed to form the government
If they had got 52% of the vote, this would paint us a rogue state
I Pal am a soft arsed pussy 99.9% of the time
But presently 100kg of angry British man
X that x 17.4 million
If you wanted brexit for the reason of bringing back power to the UK parliament from an "unelected dictatorship", then this court case has only reaffirmed the sovereignty of that parliament over an "unelected dictator-lite" Surely if you want brexit for noble reasons, then you want it enacted nobly?
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BleedingClaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:46 am

claret2018 wrote:Oh mate
Thing is as I stated on another post I’m a soft arsed pussy as a rule
And I feel genuine anger
If I feel like this.......

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:48 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Thing is as I stated on another post I’m a soft arsed pussy as a rule
And I feel genuine anger
If I feel like this.......
Then get a placard, or a flag, and protest it

I did it for the first time about a month ago.

I felt a bit silly and decided it wasn't really for me, but I did something about it without threatening to kick off.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Spijed » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:48 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Today's ruling -


THE BEST FORM OF DEMOCRACY THAT MONEY CAN BUY
So you don't think an election can change that?

How can a general election be rigged if enough people in each seat vote for either a Brexit MP or a MP who wants to leave?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by claret2018 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:49 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Why not
Good British Behaviour is based on a a belief in a sense of overall fairness and a gut understanding of right and wrong
Just like if we queue and there’s a fire alarm that is then a false alarm we attempt to get back in our place in the queue.
The Referendum should have been enacted just as a result of a GE is honoured in every case, and then the campaign to overturn it could have begun just as the opposition start out on day 1 of a new Government to undermine and then succeed it.
To me it is no different to a winning political party not being allowed to form the government
If they had got 52% of the vote, this would paint us a rogue state
I Pal am a soft arsed pussy 99.9% of the time
But presently 100kg of angry British man
X that x 17.4 million
The result of the referendum was honoured, this is what leaving the EU looks like in reality. The fact that you were lied to about it being easy doesn’t change that.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndrewJB » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:50 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Thing is as I stated on another post I’m a soft arsed pussy as a rule
And I feel genuine anger
If I feel like this.......
What are you angry about? Genuine question.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by If it be your will » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:50 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:This is great news for our democracy and for holding our govt to account but from a Brexit perspective it doesnt change the fact that you Brexiteers still have every chance of getting a No Deal Brexit.

It just means that you are going to have to do it by a democratic way by getting majority support specifically for No Deal either through a GE or 2nd Ref.
I'm glad I've found someone else that thinks 'no deal' should definitely be listed as an option in any future referendum.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:52 am

If it be your will wrote:I'm glad I've found someone else that thinks 'no deal' should definitely be listed as an option in any future referendum.
Add me as well.

Its very popular (for all the wrong reasons) but it has to be on there if we get to that stage.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:52 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Yes, but the actual ruling is nothing to do with Brexit.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You can claim a victory if you want, but the only reason this came about is that a government with no majority tried to shut down parliament so it couldn't be scrutinised.

Brexit is linked in only that is where we are and that is why we are where we are at.

If it's "nothing to do with Brexit, " then youd better get down to london and tell Soubrey, Blackford Lucas and the rest of the evangelical europhile Remoaners , its nowt to do with brexit. Who are almost doing an embarrassing dance of joy! :lol:

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