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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lord Beamish » Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:55 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote::lol: :lol: :lol:

I had a quick glance at where you entered the discussion yesterday .

There was no interaction with me. No attempt to offer a persuasive alternative view. No challenge. No counter argument. Nothing.

Just straight in claiming I'm "mentally Ill"!

It really was route one stuff! Just a pure baseless attempt of character assassination .

Now, that is usually the the fall back position when democracy denying Remoaners have lost the arguement.

But not you. Now Big Sam is accused of " Hoofball". No playing out from the back, tippy tappy stuff. No, just launch it to the big fella up front. Blunt, unthinking, unattractive route one "hoofball"

Congratulations!!!


You're the Sam Allardyce of debating!!!

And the above post is classic example of "Hoof debate"


:lol: :lol: :lol:
Wrongo; nobody needs to attempt any character assassination with you. You’ve been busy self-immolating on here for months.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:57 pm

Greenmile wrote:I think the phrase I’m looking for is “hoist by your own petard”.

When Edward The Confessor admits that he enjoys engaging in what he ridiculously calls, " verbal Guerilla warfare " on another teams message board . It's not difficult to imagine he wouldn't actually do it on his own teams message board .

I think the phrase you should be looking for is, "sold a pup" eh Turtle!?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:03 pm

Votes - 16.1 remain 17.4 Leave


Constituencies - 240 remain 406 leave


Labour seats - 84 remain 148 Leave


Tory Seats - 80 Remain 247 Leave


Regions - 3 remain 9 Leave





MPs voted - 483 Remain 162 Leave







This is why we have not left the European Union.


How often do we hear that parliament should be more representative of the People?


Time for a General Election..........
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:09 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Wrongo; nobody needs to attempt any character assassination with you. You’ve been busy self-immolating on here for months.

St Wrongo: Patron Saint if Own Goals.

Saint Sam Allardyce: manages to put foot in mouth while missing a sitter!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Stick to "hoof debate"!!


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by JohnMcGreal » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:09 pm

Here we go. Large font and bold type are on board.

The Ringo train is leaving the station.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BleedingClaret » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:11 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Votes - 16.1 remain 17.4 Leave


Constituencies - 240 remain 406 leave


Labour seats - 84 remain 148 Leave


Tory Seats - 80 Remain 247 Leave


Regions - 3 remain 9 Leave





MPs voted - 483 Remain 162 Leave






This is why we have not left the European Union.


How often do we hear that parliament should be more representative of the People?


Time for a General Election..........


When Labour and the rest say they won't have a GE til a No deal is off the table.
Then with the above in mind as if we'd have a 2nd Referendum with the same Parliament in place

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BleedingClaret » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:17 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Votes - 16.1 remain 17.4 Leave


Constituencies - 240 remain 406 leave


Labour seats - 84 remain 148 Leave


Tory Seats - 80 Remain 247 Leave


Regions - 3 remain 9 Leave





MPs voted - 483 Remain 162 Leave







This is why we have not left the European Union.


How often do we hear that parliament should be more representative of the People?


Time for a General Election..........
I understand we're not a direct democracy, but a Representative one.
That's not Representative, maybe the Supreme Court would like to rule on this.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BleedingClaret » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:19 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:Here we go. Large font and bold type are on board.

The Ringo train is leaving the station.
There's not a font big enough or Bold enough to highlight how UNREPRESENTATIVE that is

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:19 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:I understand we're not a direct democracy, but a Representative one.
That's not Representative, maybe the Supreme Court would like to rule on this.
Everyone was free to vote however they liked in the referendum, including MPs. Their referendum votes weren't representing anybody but themselves.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lord Beamish » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:25 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Saint Sam Allardyce: manages to put foot in mouth while missing a sitter!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Stick to "hoof debate"!!


:lol: :lol: :lol:
As I said; mentally ill.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndyClaret » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:34 pm

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BleedingClaret » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:37 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Everyone was free to vote however they liked in the referendum, including MPs. Their referendum votes weren't representing anybody but themselves.
The Mp's in question were free as any other member of the electorate to vote how they wanted in the Referendum.
Also the degrree to which they are free to Represent their constituents, in a way they believe best serves the interests of those constituents when knowingly not representing the actual view of that electorate on a certain issue is not in question, they can, but a GE regulates that, but they won't sanction one, so should the Supreme Court rule that they are keepimg out the MP's and therefore the Parliament that on this day truly represents the democratic wish of the majority of the electorate of this Country.
Surely this independant self elected supreme body should step in.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:42 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:The Mp's in question were free as any other member of the electorate to vote how they wanted in the Referendum.
So why were you complaining that the way they voted in the referendum wasn't representative?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BleedingClaret » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:42 pm

AndyClaret wrote:This.
Labour react to the claims that they had neglected their Northern core voters by going to Brighton
Once there, they then announce that they will close all Private schools
Yes that's the P word that is at the core of all heated discussions in Northern Pubs & Clubs

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BleedingClaret » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:50 pm

Tall Paul wrote:So why were you complaining that the way they voted in the referendum wasn't representative?
You know that it is because they then took their personal views to their professional job and did not and are not and will not represent faithfully the people that they were elected to represent,
Further to that they will now not give those voters the choice to either sanction and support their stance or remove them from their position and appoint an MP that truly represents them.
Admittedly that thread, that I replied to, was their Referendum voting figures but I think you knew that it can be considered that is how they are voting in their day jobs. So you're nit picking
I wrote your first not you're I had to correct it or i'd have been picked up on that, but you'd have known what I meant.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Damo » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:51 pm

Geoffrey Cox is absolutely on fire today
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:00 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:You know that it is because they then took their personal views to their professional job and did not and are not and will not represent faithfully the people that they were elected to represent,
Further to that they will now not give those voters the choice to either sanction and support their stance or remove them from their position and appoint an MP that truly represents them.
Admittedly that thread, that I replied to, was their Referendum voting figures but I think you knew that it can be considered that is how they are voting in their day jobs. So you're nit picking
I wrote your first not you're I had to correct it or i'd have been picked up on that, but you'd have known what I meant.
That's not true though is it? If that was how they've voted in Parliament, they'd have voted againt triggering Article 50.

There are a minority of MPs that want no deal no matter what and will vote down anything that isn't no deal, a number of them that are prepared to vote for leaving with a deal (most of which are reasonably happy with May's deal) and some that want to remain and will vote against any form of leaving.

That sounds pretty representative of the people to me.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:07 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Votes - 16.1 remain 17.4 Leave


Constituencies - 240 remain 406 leave


Labour seats - 84 remain 148 Leave


Tory Seats - 80 Remain 247 Leave


Regions - 3 remain 9 Leave





MPs voted - 483 Remain 162 Leave
Is this reflected how they voted in parliament or is it in fact irrelevant?
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Greenmile » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:11 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:When Edward The Confessor admits that he enjoys engaging in what he ridiculously calls, " verbal Guerilla warfare " on another teams message board . It's not difficult to imagine he wouldn't actually do it on his own teams message board .

I think the phrase you should be looking for is, "sold a pup" eh Turtle!?
RingoMcCartney wrote:Haha , you know when some one has lost the arguement. They resort to garbage like hinting that the person who's got the better of them could be arsed logging in and out and having a parody account!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:12 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:When Labour and the rest say they won't have a GE til a No deal is off the table.
Then with the above in mind as if we'd have a 2nd Referendum with the same Parliament in place
They can add a simple one liner to a motion to hold a general election that states it has to be BEFORE the 31st October. Say a week before. This will give enough time for the new government to implement their view on brexit. If labour win , they can extend. If the Tories win they can leave with no deal. If the illiberal anti Democrats win they can revoke Article 50!

It's time that parliament stopped running away from The Peoples General Election they're frightened to death of.

A simple one liner.........

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:12 pm

martin_p wrote:Including the current Prime Minister and every member of the ERG, presumably all remainers then?

Or perhaps there hasn’t been a single vote in the commons to remain in the EU and you’re talking bullshit as usual.
He's talking about the way MPs voted in the referendum itself, which doesn't really have a great deal of relevance (as usual with Ringo).

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:14 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:They can add a simple one liner to a motion to hold a general election that states it has to be BEFORE the 31st October. Say a week before. This will give enough time for the new government to implement their view on brexit. If labour win , they can extend. If the Tories win they can leave with no deal. If the illiberal anti Democrats win they can revoke Article 50!

It's time that parliament stopped running away from The Peoples General Election they're frightened to death of.

A simple one liner.........
So that parliament isn’t sitting on 19th when Johnson is supposed to ask for an extension? Yeah great idea.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:15 pm

Tall Paul wrote:He's talking about the way MPs voted in the referendum itself, which doesn't really have a great deal of relevance (as usual with Ringo).
Yes I realised that before you replied.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:15 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:I understand we're not a direct democracy, but a Representative one.
That's not Representative, maybe the Supreme Court would like to rule on this.
Our elected representatives used their infinite wisdom to give the decision as to whether we leave or remain in the EU.

Saying ," it's your decision. "

Our elected representatives voted 483 Remain 162 Leave


Our elected representatives are at odds with their constituents.







They wont be for much longer.

Many will be unemployed!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:17 pm

[quote="Greenmile"][/quote]

Bore off.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:17 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:As I said; mentally ill.

Hoof off Sam! :lol:

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:19 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Our elected representatives used their infinite wisdom to give the decision as to whether we leave or remain in the EU.

Saying ," it's your decision. "

Our elected representatives voted 483 Remain 162 Leave


Our elected representatives are at odds with their constituents.







They wont be for much longer.

Many will be unemployed!
Our elected representatives were elected after the referendum, didn’t make much difference then.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:19 pm

martin_p wrote:Is this reflected how they voted in parliament or is it in fact irrelevant?

:lol: :lol:

Oh Marty!


:lol: :lol:

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:21 pm

martin_p wrote:Our elected representatives were elected after the referendum, didn’t make much difference then.
They pledged to respect the referendum.


Since then a blind man on a galloping horse can see they dont accept it.

That will make a difference to their future employment prospects!!


Anyway, a simple one liner will do it.

Drain the swamp!
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:22 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote::lol: :lol:

Oh Marty!


:lol: :lol:
Over 300 voted for May’s withdrawal agreement in its last attempt to get through. Remainers like Ken Clarke have a better record on voting to leave the EU than the PM or any of the ERG.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Spijed » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:23 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Anyway, a simple one liner will do it.

Drain the swamp!
You think opposition parties are going to agree to an election based on that?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Darnhill Claret » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:25 pm

How can a FREE VOTE, have to be representative of constituents, when both vote at the same time?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:26 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:They pledged to respect the referendum.


Since then a blind man on a galloping horse can see they dont accept it.

That will make a difference to their future employment prospects!!


Anyway, a simple one liner will do it.

Drain the swamp!
The Labour MPs pledged to reject no deal.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:26 pm

Spijed wrote:You think opposition parties are going to agree to an election based on that?
If they dont they'll be seen as gutless democracy deniers scared of letting the People give their opinion on what they've been upto these last couple of years!


Dominic Greive on the dole.

Anna Soubrey on the dole

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lord Beamish » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:26 pm

Pigeon Chess has limited utility.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:27 pm

Spijed wrote:You think opposition parties are going to agree to an election based on that?
He doesn’t think, he’s just a random Brexit slogan generating BOT stuck on repeat.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:29 pm

martin_p wrote:The Labour MPs pledged to reject no deal.
Corbyn is scared of The People rejecting him.



A General election can be put off no more.



A one liner and we're good.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:31 pm

He’s certainly rattled.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:32 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Corbyn is scared of The People rejecting him.



A General election can be put off no more.



A one liner and we're good.
So that’s why he wants an election ASAP after 31st October is it? Yet again your ‘views’ and reality don’t quite match.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BleedingClaret » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:40 pm

Tall Paul wrote:That's not true though is it? If that was how they've voted in Parliament, they'd have voted againt triggering Article 50.

There are a minority of MPs that want no deal no matter what and will vote down anything that isn't no deal, a number of them that are prepared to vote for leaving with a deal (most of which are reasonably happy with May's deal) and some that want to remain and will vote against any form of leaving.

That sounds pretty representative of the people to me.
Not Fact Checked this, but I believe they voted for article 50 before the last snap election, then campaigned in the main to get Brexit done but are clearly trying to facilitate by delay after delay the eventual revoking of article 50
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:42 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Not Fact Checked this, but I believe they voted for article 50 before the last snap election, then campaigned in the main to get Brexit done but are clearly trying to facilitate by delay after delay the eventual revoking of article 50
The ERG played their part in getting the last deadline extended.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BleedingClaret » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:42 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Our elected representatives used their infinite wisdom to give the decision as to whether we leave or remain in the EU.

Saying ," it's your decision. "

Our elected representatives voted 483 Remain 162 Leave


Our elected representatives are at odds with their constituents.

As pointed out to me, they were free to vote how they wanted in a Referendum.

I agree though that in Parliament they are clearly being dishonest.

Hopefully they will be defeated in their aim to defeat democracy soon




They wont be for much longer.

Many will be unemployed!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndrewJB » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:44 pm

AndyClaret wrote:This.
You might think so, but I don't believe Labour's heartlands are full of xenophobic knuckle draggers. If you look at the areas most affected by migration you see the places that most voted remain (in a referendum in which only UK citizens could vote).

The problems that some people blamed on immigrants were actually caused by our government punishing the country, and labour heartlands especially, with austerity. I don't think those heartlands will reward the tories for this.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndrewJB » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:52 pm

Damo wrote:Geoffrey Cox is absolutely on fire today
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The voice of entitlement stamping its feet in rage at not getting its own way. They are pathetic.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BleedingClaret » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:53 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:They can add a simple one liner to a motion to hold a general election that states it has to be BEFORE the 31st October. Say a week before. This will give enough time for the new government to implement their view on brexit. If labour win , they can extend. If the Tories win they can leave with no deal. If the illiberal anti Democrats win they can revoke Article 50!

It's time that parliament stopped running away from The Peoples General Election they're frightened to death of.

A simple one liner.........
It's apparently not that simple because a 1 line bill can be too easily amended, so they will use that as the excuse not to pass it. This flies in the face of the fact that if the government in a minority position needs their votes to help pass it they could not then unilaterally amend it .
The excuse that they will still use though, is that, the election could be delayed until after the 31st and therefore a No deal so called crash out.
I think the Attorney General accepted that the Government will honour the Benn amendment so a No deal can't happen on the 31st unless the EU don't grant an extension which they will.
So the stalemate continues.
I've suggested if the Supreme Court felt it had the right to stop the Government preventing Parliament sitting by Proroging
Surely it should now step in and stop the Opposition disabling Parliament by impasse and enforce a GE
BUt it won't

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:58 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:It's apparently not that simple because a 1 line bill can be too easily amended, so they will use that as the excuse not to pass it. This flies in the face of the fact that if the government in a minority position needs their votes to help pass it they could not then unilaterally amend it .
The excuse that they will still use though, is that, the election could be delayed until after the 31st and therefore a No deal so called crash out.
I think the Attorney General accepted that the Government will honour the Benn amendment so a No deal can't happen on the 31st unless the EU don't grant an extension which they will.
So the stalemate continues.
I've suggested if the Supreme Court felt it had the right to stop the Government preventing Parliament sitting by Proroging
Surely it should now step in and stop the Opposition disabling Parliament by impasse and enforce a GE
BUt it won't
Well no, because If MPs voting against something in parliament was deemed unlawful then democracy really would be over.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by aggi » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:58 pm

martin_p wrote:Over 300 voted for May’s withdrawal agreement in its last attempt to get through. Remainers like Ken Clarke have a better record on voting to leave the EU than the PM or any of the ERG.
Ah, but voting to leave the EU means you want to remain. It's if you vote against leaving the EU that you really show you want to leave the EU (the logic doesn't quite hold up in my eyes but Ringo is very definite about this. It's something about the referendum question only saying Leave, not how we leave {unless of course you want to leave in a way that Ringo doesn't approve of, then it appears the referendum question was more specific}).

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:00 pm

aggi wrote:Ah, but voting to leave the EU means you want to remain. It's if you vote against leaving the EU that you really show you want to leave the EU (the logic doesn't quite hold up in my eyes but Ringo is very definite about this. It's something about the referendum question only saying Leave, not how we leave {unless of course you want to leave in a way that Ringo doesn't approve of, then it appears the referendum question was more specific}).
That’s a good summary of Wrongo’s position. The position of a sound mind!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by quoonbeatz » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:06 pm

BleedingClaret wrote: I've suggested if the Supreme Court felt it had the right to stop the Government preventing Parliament sitting by Proroging
Surely it should now step in and stop the Opposition disabling Parliament by impasse and enforce a GE
BUt it won't
You should probably do a bit more research about what the supreme court is. It doesn't 'step in' to anything.

Disappointing to see Geoffrey Cox making a complete tit of himself today. Genuinely thought he was better than that.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndrewJB » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:07 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:It's apparently not that simple because a 1 line bill can be too easily amended, so they will use that as the excuse not to pass it. This flies in the face of the fact that if the government in a minority position needs their votes to help pass it they could not then unilaterally amend it .
The excuse that they will still use though, is that, the election could be delayed until after the 31st and therefore a No deal so called crash out.
I think the Attorney General accepted that the Government will honour the Benn amendment so a No deal can't happen on the 31st unless the EU don't grant an extension which they will.
So the stalemate continues.
I've suggested if the Supreme Court felt it had the right to stop the Government preventing Parliament sitting by Proroging
Surely it should now step in and stop the Opposition disabling Parliament by impasse and enforce a GE
BUt it won't
What's the rush? The opposition will first let Johnson's Oct 31st deadline and solemn promise pass unfulfilled - to illustrate what his promises are actually worth - and force him to reveal the conversations which have taken place over brexit, which will illustrate what a duplicitous person he is. Then if the Tories don't replace him with someone untainted, he'll get humiliated in the next general election.

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