Robert Peston thinks they will try and wriggle out of it.BleedingClaret wrote:I think the Attorney General accepted that the Government will honour the Benn amendment so a No deal can't happen on the 31st unless the EU don't grant an extension which they will.
It’s simply unbelievable that anyone should think that this government speaks with a forked tongue and can’t be trusted. What on earth has happened to give people that impression?Spijed wrote:Robert Peston thinks they will try and wriggle out of it.
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martin_p wrote:So that’s why he wants an election ASAP after 31st October is it? Yet again your ‘views’ and reality don’t quite match.
BleedingClaret wrote:It's apparently not that simple because a 1 line bill can be too easily amended, so they will use that as the excuse not to pass it. This flies in the face of the fact that if the government in a minority position needs their votes to help pass it they could not then unilaterally amend it .
The excuse that they will still use though, is that, the election could be delayed until after the 31st and therefore a No deal so called crash out.
I think the Attorney General accepted that the Government will honour the Benn amendment so a No deal can't happen on the 31st unless the EU don't grant an extension which they will.
So the stalemate continues.
I've suggested if the Supreme Court felt it had the right to stop the Government preventing Parliament sitting by Proroging
Surely it should now step in and stop the Opposition disabling Parliament by impasse and enforce a GE
BUt it won't
What motion is this then? The two votes that Johnson has had under the fixed term parliament act have been unamendable and don’t require a date to be finalised until after the vote. The only amendable motion would be one outside the fixed term parliament act and could state the date of the election, but Johnson won’t do that as it can be amended by the opposition to say an election can only happen after an extension has been agreed. Again, you know nowt.RingoMcCartney wrote:Yet again you simply dont understand, not my views, but the views of several commentators, who can see that labour are sh1t scared of a general election. As The Attorney General said -
They can add a simple one liner to a motion to hold a general election that states it has to be BEFORE the 31st October. Say a week or two before. This will give enough time for the new government to implement their view on brexit. If labour win , they can extend. If the Tories win they can leave with no deal. If the illiberal anti Democrats win they can revoke Article 50!
It's time that parliament stopped running away from The Peoples General Election they're frightened to death of.
A simple one liner.........
martin_p wrote:What motion is this then? The two votes that Johnson has had under the fixed term parliament act have been unamendable and don’t require a date to be finalised until after the vote. The only amendable motion would be one outside the fixed term parliament act and could state the date of the election, but Johnson won’t do that as it can be amended by the opposition to say an election can only happen after an extension has been agreed. Again, you know nowt.
Knew you’d be impressed, it’s exactly what you do. Seek to deflect attention when you’re under pressure and have been found out to be wrong.RingoMcCartney wrote:Today in parliament-
Geoffrey Cox (representing The People) 1. Democracy Denying remoaner MPs 0
Gu'lad Big Fella!
But can’t point me to this simple motion you refer to (clue, it doesn’t exist).RingoMcCartney wrote:I know that Labour are running scared of the People!!
How are Labour to blame for Boris Johnson sacking 21 of his own MP's and making it even harder for him to govern?RingoMcCartney wrote:I know that Labour are running scared of the People!!
Spijed wrote:How are Labour to blame for Boris Johnson sacking 21 of his own MP's and making it even harder for him to govern?
They can add a simple one liner to a motion to hold a general election that states it has to be BEFORE the 31st OctoberRingoMcCartney wrote:Yet again you simply dont understand, not my views, but the views of several commentators, who can see that labour are sh1t scared of a general election. As The Attorney General said -
They can add a simple one liner to a motion to hold a general election that states it has to be BEFORE the 31st October. Say a week or two before. This will give enough time for the new government to implement their view on brexit. If labour win , they can extend. If the Tories win they can leave with no deal. If the illiberal anti Democrats win they can revoke Article 50!
It's time that parliament stopped running away from The Peoples General Election they're frightened to death of.
A simple one liner.........
Oh you smell blood dont you Martymartin_p wrote:But can’t point me to this simple motion you refer to (clue, it doesn’t exist).
. The terminology I used "motion" is probably wrong . I think it's a "one line bill " that would lock in a general election date before the 31st of October. Its not what they were saying on the radio today. Let's see how things pan out eh. ?aggi wrote:They can add a simple one liner to a motion to hold a general election that states it has to be BEFORE the 31st October
Sorry, more facts. Under electoral law an election has to take place at least 25 working days after dissolution, and so even if parliament were to pass a law and dissolve today, it would be impossible to hold an election before 31 October.
You been listening to ‘Paul from Burnley’ again? He knows nowt as well. A simple google verifies the fact that there has to be a minimum of 25 working days between an election being called and held.RingoMcCartney wrote:Its not what they were saying on the radio today. Let's see how things pan out eh. ?
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Lancasterclaret wrote:But that is a Tory winnable seat (as is Burnley if you think about it)
Farage will want seats that are currently held by ERG members in East Anglia as a minimum.
And again, not ever Tory voter is a Tory member or even a "No Deal" Brexiteer.
Lancasterclaret wrote:It is complicated bleeding.
Surely by now we should have learnt the lessons of pretending stuff isn't complicated!
And I'll say again, Burnley can be won by the Conservative Party so why would it give the Brexit Party a free run?
Yes, I'm quite fed up of remainers tooAndrewJB wrote:The voice of entitlement stamping its feet in rage at not getting its own way. They are pathetic.
What I am not sure your getting is he is being prevented from doing what he says, that’s not his fault and the LD and Labour are just turning more and more voters away.AndrewJB wrote:What's the rush? The opposition will first let Johnson's Oct 31st deadline and solemn promise pass unfulfilled - to illustrate what his promises are actually worth - and force him to reveal the conversations which have taken place over brexit, which will illustrate what a duplicitous person he is. Then if the Tories don't replace him with someone untainted, he'll get humiliated in the next general election.
Don’t care what Peston says.Spijed wrote:Robert Peston thinks they will try and wriggle out of it.
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martin_p wrote:What motion is this then? The two votes that Johnson has had under the fixed term parliament act have been unamendable and don’t require a date to be finalised until after the vote. The only amendable motion would be one outside the fixed term parliament act and could state the date of the election, but Johnson won’t do that as it can be amended by the opposition to say an election can only happen after an extension has been agreed. Again, you know nowt.
By the way, useful if you mark views as not your own if you don’t agree with them (but of course you do).
Opposition parties are in power, they have the majority.Spijed wrote:How are Labour to blame for Boris Johnson sacking 21 of his own MP's and making it even harder for him to govern?
They can amend that law if they want.aggi wrote:They can add a simple one liner to a motion to hold a general election that states it has to be BEFORE the 31st October
Sorry, more facts. Under electoral law an election has to take place at least 25 working days after dissolution, and so even if parliament were to pass a law and dissolve today, it would be impossible to hold an election before 31 October.
I think you'll find most ex-Eton toffs are not remainers.Damo wrote:Yes, I'm quite fed up of remainers too
Yes even life long Labour voters cannot vote for a party with Corbyn as leader. Less popular than Michael Foot which like trying to get less points than Derby in the premier.Mala591 wrote:Prediction:
We won't leave on Oct 31st
General election will be at the end of November
Voters will have the choice of:
Remain - vote Lib Dem
Leave without a deal - vote Brexit Party
Leave with a deal - vote Conservative
Without an agreed Conservative/BP pact the leave vote will be split.
Can anyone see a problem for the Labour Party?
The earliest an election could be held if called today is 31st October. But the point is to make sure MPs are sitting if Johnson tries to wriggle out of the Ben Bill on 19th so an election won’t be called until after then.Lowbankclaret wrote:But if Labour put a one liner forward to hold an election on Oct 16th. Who is going to amend it and if they did it would not carry.
The opposition parties have a majority and could make it law its the 16th .
I don’t get where everyone thinks the Gov have any control over anything at the moment.
The opposition parties know they are going to get a good kicking at the ballot box and are going to drag this out as long as they can to keep taking their wages.
The Tories have now called off putting forward an election for the time being according to the BBC because they know it'll get voted down.martin_p wrote:The earliest an election could be held if called today is 31st October. But the point is to make sure MPs are sitting if Johnson tries to wriggle out of the Ben Bill on 19th so an election won’t be called until after then.
Statements like "parliament is dead" appeal to idiots like you and Andy who blindly ignore the fact that it was Cox's own party, particularly the pro-Brexit faction that killed it.RingoMcCartney wrote:Today in parliament-
Geoffrey Cox (representing The People) 1. Democracy Denying remoaner MPs 0
Gu'lad Big Fella!
Johnson is calling for an election right now.Spijed wrote:The Tories have now called off putting forward an election for the time being according to the BBC because they know it'll get voted down.
Parliament can trigger an election if it so wishes.Lancasterclaret wrote:Its his fault he can't call one.
He's just grandstanding and its pitiful to watch.
Why should it?taio wrote:Parliament can trigger an election if it so wishes.
I was disputing the point that the Tories are pulling back from calling for an election. They are not.Lancasterclaret wrote:Why should it?
Make Johnson stew and call one after an extension.
Shame I never made that point though.taio wrote:I was disputing the point that the Tories are pulling back from calling for an election. They are not.
I didn't say you did.Lancasterclaret wrote:Shame I never made that point though.
Point I made is that he can't call one because he's fired 21 of his MPs
Apologiestaio wrote:I didn't say you did.
He would need far more than all Tory MPs to trigger a GE.
He's got nothing to work with, he's not made a single good decision yet and he's sticking to a tactic that will just deepen the crisis.If it be your will wrote:(Watching TV) He's in a tricky spot, he's had a lot to deal with, he's probably exhausted, there are lots of things to excuse him.
But Boris really isn't all that good at the dispatch box is he? I'm surprised. I imagined he would be.
A lot of people have been surprised at just how bad he is. I also thought he'd be better but I guess bluster and lack of prep can only get you so far.If it be your will wrote:(Watching TV) He's in a tricky spot, he's had a lot to deal with, he's probably exhausted, there are lots of things to excuse him.
But Boris really isn't all that good at the dispatch box is he? I'm surprised. I imagined he would be.
Logistically it would be very difficult to amend that law and still have a democratic election.Lowbankclaret wrote:They can amend that law if they want.
But they don’t as they don’t want an election.
Rory Stewart must be a contender he's just laid into Boris on Twitter,it's not only the brexit issue that backbench Tories are unhappy about,they're concerned about the government respecting the judiciary and the rule of law,if the courts aren't obeyed that leads to the whole system breaking down.Lancasterclaret wrote:He's got nothing to work with, he's not made a single good decision yet and he's sticking to a tactic that will just deepen the crisis.
I'll be amazed if more Tories don't walk away this week to be honest.