aggi wrote:Or, people believe that an EU that has elections, has a council selected by democratically elected leaders, etc. is democratic.
Please try and explain exactly why you don't think the EU is democratic. What specific elements do you have issues with?
Everyone who sits at the top of the table are Federalists. They are selected for that very reason, not by you and me, but by other Federalists. The MEPs can then vote for who they want, and if they dont like any, they can replace them with another bunch of Federalists.
Imagine going into a polling booth at a GE and having a choice of 5 candidates, all Tories. No Labour, no Lib Dems, no Monster Raving Loonies, just Tories. People would go mad, but it's common practice within Brussels.
They have no manifesto, no opposition party, no alternative vision of Europe it's just their way. They might be good, and do a good job, BUT they might be crap, it makes no difference, because the agenda wont change and if they lost their jobs they will be replaced by more Federalists.
We as citizens of Europe have absolutely no say on which way the EU goes, or what it does, none. MEPs dont even have a say, they can vote against a proposal, but as history shows they just re word it and vote again, and again, until they get their way.
The EU commission dont even write policy, they just get paid a fortune to rubber stamp what the Federalist elite dictate.
Policy cant be brought from the floor of the European Parliament. Hilary Benns Surrender act wouldnt have been possible in Brussels because it's against their rules. The MEPs might get a vote, but they dont get to direct the EU in any shape or form.
When you are run by a government you have no control over, that you cannot remove, that you cannot replace, that has no opposition to offer an alternative future, you have no democracy.
They are taking more and more controls from sovereign states, unto itself, ALL for the greater good of course, but the more they take the less our voice becomes. That might seem fine if everything is hunky dory, but what happens when things stop going well, what do you do when you've made your bed and you have to lie in it, because as hard as it is to break free from the EU is today, it will only get more and more complicated in the future as more and more of our domestic policies are linked, tied in, dependent on one EU department or another.
If the last 3 years has opened my eyes to anything it's how much I hate the incumbents in the HOC , but I'd rather hate a government I can play my part in removing, then hate one I have no control over at all.