Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[RingoMcCartney]

No multiple posting any more, Eliza - sorry Wrongo - no need, Bolton are as ****** up and useless as you are. Great fun while it lasted and, as a Claret, posting on there was much more preferable to, say, tossing off over Brexit for three years, as you - in whatever guise - seem to be obsessed with.

If you seriously think your last few posts are those of a reasonable person of quite normal judgement and not those of a complete prick, fair enough.

Can you see the last post I made above your post Eddie? I knew full well, that after I pointed out that your gaggle of sore loser remoaners had communally shot yourselves in your feet and after over a week taking their eye off the ball theyd unwittingly ended up agreeing with me. That was gonna irk you to hear it. And after initially joining in a pretty friendly way-

"Harmless enough, laughable even but even so, frickin' hell."

I knew that inevitably , and, more importantly, predictably you'd return to your resentment fuelled norm and start to use foul language.

So confident, was I , of this. I made another of my famous Mystic McCartney predictions Eddie. Yes really !! I did!!

As you can see below, I posted the following at

Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:24 pm

Jun 06, 2020 12:24 pm

IPEWM"P"INHR

You then replied at Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:35 pm , which was a whole ELEVEN minutes AFTER my post

Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:35 pm

No multiple posting any more, Eliza - sorry Wrongo - no need, Bolton are as ****** up and useless as you are. Great fun while it lasted and, as a Claret, posting on there was much more preferable to, say, tossing off over Brexit for three years, as you - in whatever guise - seem to be obsessed with.

If you seriously think your last few posts are those of a reasonable person of quite normal judgement and not those of a complete prick, fair enough.

Now this is the money shot Eddie.!! You'll love it.!!

Do you know what those initials that I posted a whole ELEVEN minutes BEFORE your reply stand for Eddie!?

I can reveal all now!

"IPEWM"P"INHR"

I Predict Eddie Will Mention "Prick " In His Reply!!

And you did!!!!

MYSTIC MCCARTNEY STRIKES AGAIN!

[RingoMcCartney]

If carlsberg did mic drop moments!

[Swizzlestick]

Are you ok?

[aggi]

You can beat the fact that aggi got sucked into to pedantry fest of whether it "could" or "would" close. Taking his eye off the ball completely and missing the point I made over a week ago.

Which was it wasnt Vote Leave and brexiteers that believed the threat of closure. That was the lie that Project Fear's gullible remoaners believed, but wise brexiteers and Sunderland folk ignored!

It was utterly irrelevant whether it was said the plant "could" or "would" close. But it didn't stop you and Team Resentment wanting to somehow drill down on the idea that if was "could" close, as opposed to "would" close, the threat wasnt used by Project Fear. However it was used by what we now know was Project BS and soundly rejected by brexiteers.

You created the straw man of "could" or "would" aggi!

For over a week

Just because you believe black is white it doesn't mean it is.

This was probably my favourite Ringo making an argument up and entirely failing to back up what he claimed. You'd think at some point embarrassment would set in and he'd stop doing it.

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[RingoMcCartney]

Are you ok?

I'm absolutely tickety boo!

Quit while you’re behind. You messed up, it’s fine, go fo a walk.

It's your resentment fuelled remoaner chums that would have been wise to have listened to your advice that was misguidedly aimed towards me. It would(or should I be obsessing about the other option, could ), have saved them from spending over a week chasing a straw man arguement, but inevitably , finding themselves agreeing with me and subconsciously admitting I was right all along!



But thanks for asking!

[AndrewJB]

Forgive me for actually bringing some reality to this thread, but it's not looking promising in the negotiations.https://uk.yahoo.com/news/happens-next- ... 0934.html

It’s all very depressing. I don’t even know what the UKs position is or what our aims are other than to secure a free trade deal.

[RingoMcCartney]

Just because you believe black is white it doesn't mean it is.

This was probably my favourite Ringo making an argument up and entirely failing to back up what he claimed. You'd think at some point embarrassment would set in and he'd stop doing it.

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Is that the best you've got aggi!! I thought you were better than that! I thought!!



The fact that you and your merry band completely missed the point for over a week . Which was that it wasnt Vote Leave and brexiteers that believed the threat of closure. That was the Project Fear lie that gullible remoaners fell for Where as wise brexiteers and Sunderland folk ignored it! Yet you were quite content to focus on the idea that if was "could" close, as opposed to "would" close, the threat wasnt used by Project Fear. However, it was used by what we now know was Project BS and soundly rejected by brexiteers. Nissan Sunderland is to be its European HQ!!


You created the straw man of "could" or "would" aggi!
And spent over a week chasing it!!

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[RingoMcCartney]

I reckon ThefamilyCats got The "Verbal Guerilla Soldiers" tongue!

[aggi]

I wonder if Ringo really doesn't know the difference between would and could (and is incapable of learning it) or he's so desperate to prove he's right that he's happy to appear dumb by insisting that they mean the same.

It's a bit of a dilemma for him, admit to being dumb or wrong.

[Devils_Advocate]

Imagine his poor wife and kids being stuck in lockdown with him the last few months.

[ksrclaret]

Even by Wrongo’s standards, the embarrassment of his performance on this thread is catastrophic. I’ve never seen anything like it.

The best thing he can do is try and find a job (I appreciate that’ll be hard in the current climate), have a shave, get himself sober and sort his head out.

The invention of online battles so he can claim victory is desperate. I really do worry for him and I hope someone is checking in on him during these difficult times. It’s obviously taking its toll at the moment.

[Swizzlestick]

Genuinely think he’s going cold turkey because he’s not able to get through on the radio phone ins.

[RingoMcCartney]

I wonder if Ringo really doesn't know the difference between would and could (and is incapable of learning it) or he's so desperate to prove he's right that he's happy to appear dumb by insisting that they mean the same.

It's a bit of a dilemma for him, admit to being dumb or wrong.

Have you got some sort of self flaggelation fetish by needing to continue to chase your own straw man arguement that's been shown to be utterly superfluous to the argument aggi!?



What part if this are you pretending not to understand?

Whether it was said that the Nissan plant could, or would would, be closed is utterly utterly irrelevant. The threat of closure was used by Project Fear. It's been subsequently shown to be not true by Nissan announcing the Sunderland plant will now be its European HQ.


By me pointing that out , your belligerent ceaseless regurgitating of your straw man arguement , simply makes your irritation and resentment more palpable every time you try and use it!




Have another week of it if you like!!! But it wont change the fact that brexiteers didn't fall for the Project Fear BS. And it's left people like you, filled with bitterness and rancor because you did!!

[RingoMcCartney]

Question - how do you get a flock of resentment fuelled sore losers to continue to obsess about the word "could" for further week. After already doing it for over a week already!?

Answer - by letting them continue to convince themselves that it's not a straw man and that if they do, then the Project Fear lies , about the closure of a car plant , that the gullible schmucks fell for, never actually happened !!

[Tall Paul]

Ah bless, look who's learned a new phrase. Next step might be to learn what it means.

straw man

straw man

straw man

straw man

straw man

[RingoMcCartney]

Thu May 28, 2020 10:16 pm

Great news for the workers of Sunderland who ignored the lies if the establishment, political class and the London centric media and showed they knew what was best for themselves and voted Leave though!

Their local plant now the European manufacturing centre for Nissan.

Who'd have thought it eh!?

Not you !!!

Never has one post riled so many , so much

[RingoMcCartney]

Thu May 28, 2020 1:33 pm

Nissan to close its spanish plant and make Sunderland the centre of its European operation!

Now what were we told by the lying europhiles!?

Why would nissan remain in the uk if we were to leave the EU they screeched!

And lo and behold the lie has been shown for being exactly that.


So the lie that Nissan would shut Sunderland if we had the temerity to vote "leave" was just one of a long line of lies that , thankfully, the majority of voters saw through.

But it was this one that set ThefamilyCat amongst the resentment filled pigeons!

[RingoMcCartney]

`When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea'

Eric Cantona.

[aggi]

Ah bless, look who's learned a new phrase. Next step might be to learn what it means.

Yeah, sorry about that.

[RingoMcCartney]

Ah bless, look who's learned a new phrase. Next step might be to learn what it means.

Straw man - an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because its easier to defeat than the opponents real arguement.

ThefamilyCat, Marty , aggi and the sore loser remoaner flock. Spent over a week proposing whether or not it was said that the closure of the Sunderland nissan plant "could" happen if the country voted to leave the EU. As opposed to it being said that the closure of the Sunderland nissan plant "would happen if the country voted to leave the EU.

The real arguement was in fact whether or not Project fear had used the simple threat of closure of the plant , if the county voted to leave the EU, as part of their pre referendum campaign to try and persuade people to vote Remain. And its clear that the future of the nissan plant was used by those who wanted the country to remain. Fortunately all the fear mongering and controversy around the plants future was wisely ignored by the majority of voters. Famously so by over 60 % of those Sunderland folk who were far too wise to listen to lies.

If you're unable to see the former was the straw man and the latter was the real arguement I suggest the the first step for you would be to brush up on your understanding of what it means.

[TheFamilyCat]

Even by Wrongo’s standards, the embarrassment of his performance on this thread is catastrophic. I’ve never seen anything like it.

The best thing he can do is try and find a job (I appreciate that’ll be hard in the current climate), have a shave, get himself sober and sort his head out.

The invention of online battles so he can claim victory is desperate. I really do worry for him and I hope someone is checking in on him during these difficult times. It’s obviously taking its toll at the moment.

I think it's been this particular McCartney's 'Frog Chorus'.

[NewClaret]

It’s all very depressing. I don’t even know what the UKs position is or what our aims are other than to secure a free trade deal.

My aims would be:

- Absolutely no jurisdiction of European courts over UK Courts. I want UK politicians to be entirely accountable.
- Total control of borders/immigration. Not that I’m anti-immigration, in fact I am quite pro-immigration, but believe it should be controlled.
- Unrestricted ability to set tax levels or invest in industry so there are no state aid restrictions. I think some industries have been massively under invested for many years and this needs correcting.
- Free trade with no tariffs either way, but I’ll accept them if it means sacrificing any of the above.

Don’t mind subscribing to some common agreements around minimum food standards, workers rights, environment commitments, etc as if anything I’d like to see us strengthen these above EU standards.

[aggi]

My aims would be:

- Absolutely no jurisdiction of European courts over UK Courts. I want UK politicians to be entirely accountable.
- Total control of borders/immigration. Not that I’m anti-immigration, in fact I am quite pro-immigration, but believe it should be controlled.
- Unrestricted ability to set tax levels or invest in industry so there are no state aid restrictions. I think some industries have been massively under invested for many years and this needs correcting.
- Free trade with no tariffs either way, but I’ll accept them if it means sacrificing any of the above.

Don’t mind subscribing to some common agreements around minimum food standards, workers rights, environment commitments, etc as if anything I’d like to see us strengthen these above EU standards.

In terms of jurisdiction, there will have to be something. It may be that it is some form of tribunal set up outside of both current EU and UK structures but there will need to be some kind of arbiter.

There are always going to be state aid restrictions. The EU ones are quite a bit stricter than the WTO ones but there are still restrictions.

Realistically though I'm not sure how much of a concern this is going to be for the UK. The amount that we spend on "state aid" compared to other EU countries is very low. It's something there has been no appetite to do and I don't think the EU is what is generally holding us back, it is the politics of the UK. Look how badly Corbyn's suggestions were received for instance.

Personally I'm not that fussed about immigration. I don't believe that any party really has an intention of controlling it as they don't want to suffer the economic impacts, recent events have shown that.

I'm less concerned about the tariffs than about the regulatory alignment. Thinks like equivalence of qualifications, passporting, shared standards, etc. I can't see how that will happen though.

[RingoMcCartney]

I think it's been this particular McCartney's 'Frog Chorus'.

From this -

Fri May 29, 2020 8:01 am

Probably worth reminding ourselves at this point that you were the only person saying that the Sunderland plant would close if we left the EU.

To claims of "making up" the idea that the plant was threatened with closure!

Brillaint stuff Ringo, unfortunately it needs correcting slightly. The chain of events is a little different to how you remember it.

1. Ringo made up the threat of closure of the Nissan plant if we voted to leave the EU

Through to the straw man distraction-

Back again?

The 'could' quite clearly was in reference to the line "The Japanese car company’s threat that it could quit the region over Brexit" (I've underlined it if that helps).

Now, you have posted this link and highlighted this line "The Japanese car company’s threat that it could quit the region over Brexit" several times as evidence that it was widely claimed that the plant would close if the UK left the EU.

Do you see the difference?

Back to claims that I and I alone said the plant faced closure!

Let's go back to the start, yiou were the only person saying that the plant would shut and is now trying to deny it.

Responding to whether or not the plant faced closure or not? A resounding "no!"

After carefully considering the evidence presented, I have decided to base my response on this, taken from a link you bizarrely tried to use in support of your claim that the plant would close:

"Nissan will reconsider its investment in the UK if Britain leaves the European Union, chief executive Carlos Ghosn has told the BBC"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24859486

My answer, therefore is 'no'.

Now this is where you really began to slip! You began to admit that Nissan had "dropped a few comments about the impact of brexit (closure) and "little hints" which were gobbled up by Project Fear, and unwittingly start on your road to enlightenment with my schooling!

Changing the subject slightly, Nissan really have played a blinder with Brexit.

The drop in a few comments about the impact of Brexit on the Sunderland plant and get themselves some state aid.

All the while stoking up clowns like Ringo into building the non-closure (which wasn't actually threatened) into some great beacon of Brexit celebration.

And they keep dropping these little hints, knowing full well that any negative impact on the plant would be hugely embarrassing for government and as a result will continue to scratch their back.

But it was this moment, after over a week if needlessly obsessing about whether it " would" or "could" close, that you appear to have had your conversion !

Jun 05, 2020 6:06 pm
I did answer your question and you started going on about dancing. Maybe you've forgotten, but I'll answer it again if you wish.

There were reports of a threat of closure of the Nissan plant but as you, oh wise one keep telling us, they were "project fear lies" I will have to conclude that no, there was no actual threat.

This was where you finally admitted that i wasnt " the only person saying that the Sunderland plant would close if we left the EU". You were too! It wasn't "1. Ringo made up the threat of closure of the Nissan plant if we voted to leave the EU" The threat of closure had been said to be real! And lo and behold despite being told the majority of voters were wise to conclude despite being repeatedly told it was real. It wasn't! My job as your personal tutor was over!

Look how similar my first 2 posts are you your last one

May 28, 2020 6:07 pm


Anyway good news about Sunderland becoming Nissan's European production centre. Once again showing Project Fear was really Project BS!

Reasons to be cheerful

May 28, 2020 10:16 pm
If you want to live in a parallel universe Marty it's fine by me.

Great news for the workers of Sunderland who ignored the lies if the establishment, political class and the London centric media and showed they knew what was best for themselves and voted Leave though!

Their local plant now the European manufacturing centre for Nissan.

Who'd have thought it eh!?

Not you !!!

It's been a real journey for you!

[ksrclaret]

Hi Wrongo.

Just as Keir Starmer did with the equally hapless and work-shy Johnson, I'm putting you on notice now that you must get a grip. This bonkers conkers business just can't continue.

You remind me of a young man who's lost his way and just wants to fight the world. Calm down, get a grip and sort it out.

[evensteadiereddie]

Nothing much "mystic", Smeg, in assuming someone will state you're a prick when you're acting like a er, prick.
Blindingly obvious , I'd have thought, to anybody reading your meltdowns on here today..
If that's your idea of a "money shot", fella, you really do have problems.


A prick ? Autistic tendencies? Both ?


Keep tugging !

[evensteadiereddie]

From this -


To claims of "making up" the idea that the plant was threatened with closure!



Through to the straw man distraction-



Back to claims that I and I alone said the plant faced closure!



Responding to whether or not the plant faced closure or not? A resounding "no!"



Now this is where you really began to slip! You began to admit that Nissan had "dropped a few comments about the impact of brexit (closure) and "little hints" which were gobbled up by Project Fear, and unwittingly start on your road to enlightenment with my schooling!



But it was this moment, after over a week if needlessly obsessing about whether it " would" or "could" close, that you appear to have had your conversion !



This was where you finally admitted that i wasnt " the only person saying that the Sunderland plant would close if we left the EU". You were too! It wasn't "1. Ringo made up the threat of closure of the Nissan plant if we voted to leave the EU" The threat of closure had been said to be real! And lo and behold despite being told the majority of voters were wise to conclude despite being repeatedly told it was real. It wasn't! My job as your personal tutor was over!

See, all perfectly normal !

[TheFamilyCat]

From this -


To claims of "making up" the idea that the plant was threatened with closure!



Through to the straw man distraction-



Back to claims that I and I alone said the plant faced closure!



Responding to whether or not the plant faced closure or not? A resounding "no!"



Now this is where you really began to slip! You began to admit that Nissan had "dropped a few comments about the impact of brexit (closure) and "little hints" which were gobbled up by Project Fear, and unwittingly start on your road to enlightenment with my schooling!



But it was this moment, after over a week if needlessly obsessing about whether it " would" or "could" close, that you appear to have had your conversion !



This was where you finally admitted that i wasnt " the only person saying that the Sunderland plant would close if we left the EU". You were too! It wasn't "1. Ringo made up the threat of closure of the Nissan plant if we voted to leave the EU" The threat of closure had been said to be real! And lo and behold despite being told the majority of voters were wise to conclude despite being repeatedly told it was real. It wasn't! My job as your personal tutor was over!

Look how similar my first 2 posts are you your last one





It's been a real journey for you!

Ringo, I'll say it again: I've moved on.

If you want to carry on quoting posts that prove nothing more than that you struggle with basic comprehension, then you crack on but please leave me out of it.

[RingoMcCartney]

Nothing much "mystic", Smeg, in assuming someone will state you're a prick when you're acting like a er, prick.
Blindingly obvious , I'd have thought, to anybody reading your meltdowns on here today..
If that's your idea of a "money shot", fella, you really do have problems.


A prick ? Autistic tendencies? Both ?


Keep tugging !

IPEWM"P"INHR



The Mystic One can see long into the future, ( not just 11 minutes ) and he predicts that these initials will haunt you for many many years to come!

[evensteadiereddie]

Which initials ?

[RingoMcCartney]

Ringo, I'll say it again: I've moved on.

If you want to carry on quoting posts that prove nothing more than that you struggle with basic comprehension, then you crack on but please leave me out of it.

Right young fellow me lad, you've trying to undo all the good work that took over a week on your own personal conversation on the road to Damascus.

A hundred more lines of-

"I must not take over a week to finally agree with Mr McCartney"

(Funny how ThefamilyCat decides he wants to "move on" when , by saying what he said, he shot himself in both feet and he knows it! But let's keep it light shall we!)

[RingoMcCartney]

Look at what you've achieved ThefamilyCat. You've gone,

From this

Fri May 29, 2020 8:01 am

Probably worth reminding ourselves at this point that you were the only person saying that the Sunderland plant would close if we left the EU.

Ringo made up the threat of closure of the Nissan plant if we voted to leave the EU

To this-

Jun 05, 2020 6:06 pm
I did answer your question and you started going on about dancing. Maybe you've forgotten, but I'll answer it again if you wish.

There were reports of a threat of closure of the Nissan plant but as you, oh wise one keep telling us, they were "project fear lies" I will have to conclude that no, there was no actual threat.

Granted it's taken you over a week , but, nevertheless, despite our slight digression down the "could" or"would" road you came through and said what I'd been saying al along. Well done you!

[evensteadiereddie]

Blimey !

[martin_p]

I’m assuming the last page or two of this thread is what a mental breakdown looks like!

[tiger76]

I’m assuming the last page or two of this thread is what a mental breakdown looks like!

This thread could be useful to discuss progress or not in the ongoing talks between the EU and the UK, but it's becoming impossible to have a meaningful dialogue with all the rubbish being posted i'm afraid.

[Quickenthetempo]

I’m assuming the last page or two of this thread is what a mental breakdown looks like!

Or bullying? Ganging up on one poster.

Whatever it is, nobody is coming out of it with any credit. It's an embarrassment to the board.

[evensteadiereddie]

Funny that...

I'll explain. Wrongo attempts time after time, in a futile and qute ridiculous fashion, to scattergun contempt and ridicule at all those who dare question him.

These targets, individually - not collectively, he's hardly worth "ganging up" against, is he ? - set about dismantling him and making him look like the loser he is.

It's neither pleasant nor necessary, akin to booting a kitten almost, but , to be fair, if the bloke dishes it out and the mods are happy with that then you can't complain when he gets it back.

[taio]

This board reaches an all time low.

[martin_p]

Or bullying? Ganging up on one poster.

Whatever it is, nobody is coming out of it with any credit. It's an embarrassment to the board.

He’s attention seeking, I wouldn’t worry about it. It’s classic trolling.

[Quickenthetempo]

He’s attention seeking, I wouldn’t worry about it. It’s classic trolling.

He might be, but it ends up in a lot of personal abuse by many posters.

Turtle used to do it and I fell for responding to him numerous times. But when 6 or 7 people took him on, it could be regarded as bullying. Looking back I regret doing it. Even if he was a troll.

[martin_p]

He might be, but it ends up in a lot of personal abuse by many posters.

Turtle used to do it and I fell for responding to him numerous times. But when 6 or 7 people took him on, it could be regarded as bullying. Looking back I regret doing it. Even if he was a troll.

Oh come on, he feeds on it. I’m well aware I’m being trolled, but it’s a bit of a laugh.

[nil_desperandum]

This board reaches an all time low.

To be fair, anyone who can't / wont accept that there's a significant difference between the words "can" and "will" ("could" / "would") shouldn't really be posting on serious topics on a board for adults.

[dsr]

These targets, individually - not collectively, he's hardly worth "ganging up" against, is he ? - set about dismantling him and making him look like the loser he is.

Why? Does it make them feel big and clever?

[dsr]

I’m assuming the last page or two of this thread is what a mental breakdown looks like!

Oh come on, he feeds on it. I’m well aware I’m being trolled, but it’s a bit of a laugh.

Do you mean both of those posts?

[martin_p]

Do you mean both of those posts?

Nope.

[Damo]

Not been on this thread in months. It's difficult to believe it's actually deteriorated
Embarrassing to think that some of you are middle aged blokes

[taio]

To be fair, anyone who can't / wont accept that there's a significant difference between the words "can" and "will" ("could" / "would") shouldn't really be posting on serious topics on a board for adults.

Serious topics for adults...ok.

[nil_desperandum]

Serious topics for adults...ok.

Well, I would say that the issue of brexit is pretty serious tbh - whatever side of the fence you sit. The problem is that some people get simply hysterical and irrational and can't debate it in an adult manner.
These recent pages are an obvious example of this, with one poster continuing to argue with the dictionary to claim that two entirely different verbs mean exactly the same thing, rather than simply admitting that they made a mistake. (Doesn't mean that you are wrong about brexit because you get two words confused, or don't understand the difference)
Some will go to any lengths to defend their position even when it's obvious that nothing is black and white, and then there's this obsession that some have that there have to be "winners" and "losers", The only way that brexit can be successful moving forward is if everyone can feel some tangible benefit from it.

[taio]

Well, I would say that the issue of brexit is pretty serious tbh - whatever side of the fence you sit. The problem is that some people get simply hysterical and irrational and can't debate it in an adult manner.
These recent pages are an obvious example of this, with one poster continuing to argue with the dictionary to claim that two entirely different verbs mean exactly the same thing, rather than simply admitting that they made a mistake. (Doesn't mean that you are wrong about brexit because you get two words confused, or don't understand the difference)
Some will go to any lengths to defend their position even when it's obvious that nothing is black and white, and then there's this obsession that some have that there have to be "winners" and "losers", The only way that brexit can be successful moving forward is if everyone can feel some tangible benefit from it.

There's a disconnect between serious topic and what's been posted on here...and don't just blame one person. Anyhow, well done for picking out and quoting my post from it all - I must've posted about three times this week.