Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[biggles]

where's that IT c...? banned, again?

[Jakubclaret]

If only there was a way to improve the lot of the "indigenous" (shudder) without destroying our manufacturing and services industry...

How about enforcing labour standards and coming up with a decent housing policy? Nah, soz fam, that's socialism. Choo choo, all aboard the serf train!

No , it's a simple case of utilising talent we desperately need sourced globally & unskilled manual labouring jobs going to our own but incentivise workers accordingly so they have a reasonable standard of living, as things currently stand (have done for awhile) they cannot compete in the job market as they struggle to support themselves with they living arrangements commanding more income as opposed to people who operate in different living arrangements. A very simple concept most Brexiteers have grasped but for remainers its a Herculean task!

[martin_p]

Correct.

The video shows shows Corbyn speaking to a rally of No voters during the Irish referendum on the Lisbon Treaty in 2009.

In it he blasts the EU, saying he did “not want to live in a European empire of the 21st century” and, in a blow to those wanting him to back a second Brexit referendum, describes such votes as “keep[ing] on voting until they get the answer they want”.

Jeremy Farage!

And Jacob Rees-Mogg tweeted before the first referendum that a second referendum might be necessary. And Theresa May said there’d be no general election a few weeks before calling one. I know you’re completely fixed in your views Wrongo so this will be alien to you, but other people are quite prepared to change their minds when they have more information.

[martin_p]

I've just worked out what these threads remind me of ......the moon flight conspiracy forums. It doesn't matter how many times you point out that all the physical and physiological problems of flying to the moon, landing and returning have been demonstrably overcome (largely with military technology developed or initiated during the last war and the following cold war) the conspiracy theorists just say "Ah but that proves it".

You just can't win these arguments ....the best strategy is to stay calm and let the Brexiteers make themselves look ridiculous. (Which they always do).

That would be fine if they weren’t taking the rest of us down with them.

[Burnley Ace]

I said I had no "evidence" Just an opinion.

I asked burnley Ace to post his "evidence" he's yet to produce. Could you oblige with some "evidence"?

To be fair you don’t seem to have grasped the difference between evidence and opinion! Is it evidence that leaving the U.K. will be negative for the U.K. that you want? First perhaps you should clarify what you mean by “negative” because I think that might be another word where you have your own definition.

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

Anyway, where is the turtle? Has he had a lifetime ban??

[martin_p]

To be fair you don’t seem to have grasped the difference between evidence and opinion! Is it evidence that leaving the U.K. will be negative for the U.K. that you want? First perhaps you should clarify what you mean by “negative” because I think that might be another word where you have your own definition.

You need to add ‘leaving’ to that list.

[Colburn_Claret]

Colburn, I am certainly very concerned with the penny or more in the nation's pocket as this will directly affect my life and those of my family and community. The trade off for losing that valuable penny is freedom? How will I be more free? What will I be able to do that I can't do now? If it's nothing particularly valuable then I'm afraid I will certainly prioritise the penny. Freedom is important because of the benefits it brings to people not as a principle on its own. I can't see how leaving the EU will give us a type of freedom that has any benefits to offer.

I'm not presuming your age in this statement, just saying how I look at it.
When I was younger and had a mortgage, and kids to provide for, earning as much as I could was a priority. It didn't matter how crap the job was, how bad the hours were, or how much the pay was. I did what was necessary.
When you're older and the mortgage is paid, the kids have moved out, money doesn't matter as much. It's all about quality of life, money doesn't matter anywhere near as much.
I don't know what stage of life you are in, but for the vast majority of this country leaving the EU is going to have very little effect on their daily lives. Unless you are in employment with or tied to a European company or country, then the likelihood is that you will get up the day after Brexit, clock on at work , and get paid at the end of the week. There will be big changes to the country, but very little change in the day to day effect on our private lives.
I hope you are one of the many.
If you're one of the few , I'm genuinely sorry for you, but during my efforts to pay a mortgage I had 3 careers, laid off once, took redundancy the second. There will still be jobs out there, we aren't going back to the 1930s here, we are just breaking free from political bloc, that puts it's own agenda ahead if our and the rest of Europe needs. If that means tightening ones belt, it had to be worth it.

[martin_p]

No , it's a simple case of utilising talent we desperately need sourced globally & unskilled manual labouring jobs going to our own but incentivise workers accordingly so they have a reasonable standard of living, as things currently stand (have done for awhile) they cannot compete in the job market as they struggle to support themselves with they living arrangements commanding more income as opposed to people who operate in different living arrangements. A very simple concept most Brexiteers have grasped but for remainers its a Herculean task!

Wow, aspirational! Foreigners for the good jobs with the rubbish low paid jobs reserved for the Brits.

[aggi]

Your putting words into my mouth. I did not say say the Germans took jobs ship building and coal mining from Sunderland. And you know it. I said successive British Governments had over indulged London and the south east and neglected the Midlands and the north as part of the grand pan european EU plan. Namely , Germany you do manufacturing and

So the issue is primarily British governments, not the EU?

[Jakubclaret]

Wow, aspirational! Foreigners for the good jobs with the rubbish low paid jobs reserved for the Brits.

Be as disingenuous as you wish, distinctions between skill sets which are advantageous.

[summitclaret]

Just seen the second of three documentaries on bbc2 from last night. This one was on the euro/Greece crisis. Next Monday's is on migration. It has virtually all of the power brokers being interviewed, but not Juncker. It's essential viewing for anyone that contributes to this thread imo.

What struck me most was that things were sorted from an early stage by Merkel, french Presidents and Greece in behind the scenes. Once germany and france agreed rhe rest of the EU did. Just what I expected.

May is still not getting to the right level. She needs to be in with Merkel, Macron and Varadkar and away from the Commission.

[TVC15]

So the issue is primarily British governments, not the EU?

Well this is what he first said :

“In my opinion the EU grand plan was to concentrate manufacturing in Germany “
“If your assertion that it's nothing to do with the EU and manufacturing has been in decline for decades. Why does Germany appear to have been shielded from this process?”

So maybe it was the British government in a secret conspiracy with the Germans to crush those manufacturing industries in the North East but at the same time behind those daft Germans backs secretly negotiate with the Japanese to get Nissan up there ??
All makes perfect sense to me.

Luckily for the Germans they were shielded from the global downturn in manufacturing and they are still digging coal and making ships for their secret navy.

[SGr]

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Our own politicians being paid to destabilise. I’ll be surprised if I get any response to this one though. Likes of Basil6-whatever number it is tend to vanish when facts and blantant corruption get brought up.

Makes you think.

[Greenmile]

So you say, I don't believe you not that you care. Plenty of honest hardworking Brits would love the opportunity to earn a decent wage but due to cultural differences the living arrangements are far different they need above the minimum wage in order to live, as opposed to cramming a house & doing everything communal. If I was a employer would I prefer to pay £8 p/h or in excess of 12p/h.

Who sets and enforces the minimum wage? Clue - it’s not the EU.

[Greenmile]

I'm not presuming your age in this statement, just saying how I look at it.
When I was younger and had a mortgage, and kids to provide for, earning as much as I could was a priority. It didn't matter how crap the job was, how bad the hours were, or how much the pay was. I did what was necessary.
When you're older and the mortgage is paid, the kids have moved out, money doesn't matter as much. It's all about quality of life, money doesn't matter anywhere near as much.
I don't know what stage of life you are in, but for the vast majority of this country leaving the EU is going to have very little effect on their daily lives. Unless you are in employment with or tied to a European company or country, then the likelihood is that you will get up the day after Brexit, clock on at work , and get paid at the end of the week. There will be big changes to the country, but very little change in the day to day effect on our private lives.
I hope you are one of the many.
If you're one of the few , I'm genuinely sorry for you, but during my efforts to pay a mortgage I had 3 careers, laid off once, took redundancy the second. There will still be jobs out there, we aren't going back to the 1930s here, we are just breaking free from political bloc, that puts it's own agenda ahead if our and the rest of Europe needs. If that means tightening ones belt, it had to be worth it.

Translation - “I’m alright Jack, so **** you”

[biggles]

oh it's on twitter - must be true. it's been obvious for years that remainers are on a crusade to destabilise brexit. some paid others not. read it somewhere. think it was on a brexit supporters website - must be impartial.

[TVC15]

read it somewhere..

The Beano ?

[Burnley Ace]

you see. that's why remainers shouldn't be allowed a computer until they are at least 15. their tiny minds are too susceptible to question 100% bullshit such as the remainers arguments. i know, he's only coming out with **** like that because his teacher is a remainer.

What?

[Jakubclaret]

Who sets and enforces the minimum wage? Clue - it’s not the EU.

The 2 go hand in hand as you well know.

[Colburn_Claret]

Translation - “I’m alright Jack, so **** you”

If you read all that, and that's what you think I said, you need to read it again.
Only some people read what they want to read, rather than what's written. You can twist my words if you want to, it makes little matter to me, but it shows how poor your arguments are if you have to twist statements to suit your opinion.

[martin_p]

Why do you think it would be easier or better for the U.K. to negotiate as an individual country rather than as part of the EU?

What freedoms (for the general populace) have the EU curtailed?

What ruling of the ECJ do you find weird?

What fiscal policy has the U.K. government been unable to use because of the EU?

Why do you think that the U.K. was going to join a Euro army? Even if we were how would that be different to a joint NATO exercise?

Still no answers to these Colburn?

[CrosspoolClarets]

I see the discussion is once again wrongly focused on the economics.

This argument was expertly taken apart in this balanced essay that I read today. It explains clearly why people link happiness to exiting the EU, why Remainers simply do not get it, and why Leave may win again.

https://unherd.com/2019/02/the-pointles ... ples-vote/

I particularly like this bit:

“Remainers tend to struggle with conversations about things that are not material and extend beyond individual rights; things like dignity, recognition, solidarity, belonging, tradition, identity and culture.”

Let us think carefully about that. A majority of people say those things are important, and would also say they are influenced by the EU. In this way:

Recognition - who in Brussels knows or cares about the people living in Burnley?
Solidarity - helped the more people have in common with each other, i.e. bigger is not better
Belonging - local rather than international decision making feeds a sense of community
Tradition - affected adversely by multiculturalism which in turn is increased by freedom of movement
Identity - similar to belonging
Culture - also affected adversely by multiculturalism as well as the liberal agenda

The author is right - people demand a shake up, not to move back in time but to move forward, and that can only happen if we fully leave the EU. People’s views on this will NOT change, regardless of the economics. It would be a mistake to try to force them to.

[Burnley Ace]

Recognition - who in Brussels knows or cares about the people living in Burnley?
Solidarity - helped the more people have in common with each other, i.e. bigger is not better
Belonging - local rather than international decision making feeds a sense of community
Tradition - affected adversely by multiculturalism which in turn is increased by freedom of movement
Identity - similar to belonging
Culture - also affected adversely by multiculturalism as well as the liberal agenda

The author is right - people demand a shake up, not to move back in time but to move forward, and that can only happen if we fully leave the EU. People’s views on this will NOT change, regardless of the economics. It would be a mistake to try to force them to.

Right a bit of progress! So what you are saying is that Leavers want isolationism, to retreat to localism, to withdraw and look inward? Given the type of people who voted leave that makes a bit more sense.

[Burnley Ace]

Recognition - who in Brussels knows or cares about the people living in Burnley?
Solidarity - helped the more people have in common with each other, i.e. bigger is not better
Belonging - local rather than international decision making feeds a sense of community
Tradition - affected adversely by multiculturalism which in turn is increased by freedom of movement
Identity - similar to belonging
Culture - also affected adversely by multiculturalism as well as the liberal agenda

The author is right - people demand a shake up, not to move back in time but to move forward, and that can only happen if we fully leave the EU. People’s views on this will NOT change, regardless of the economics. It would be a mistake to try to force them to.

Right a bit of progress! So what you are saying is that Leavers want isolationism, to retreat to localism, to withdraw and look inward? Given the type of people who voted leave that makes a bit more sense.

[Greenmile]

The 2 go hand in hand as you well know.

You'll have to explain this to me, I'm afraid.

As far as I'm aware, the EU has absolutely nothing to do with setting and enforcing the minimum wage in the UK. Are you saying I'm wrong (I've not looked this up at all).

I could believe the EU may have a minimum wage directive (like the working hours thing), but there's surely nothing to stop our govt going over and above the rate they may have set, and enforcing it properly.

Do you expect the minimum wage to rise and be properly enforced once we've left the EU?

[martin_p]

I see the discussion is once again wrongly focused on the economics.

This argument was expertly taken apart in this balanced essay that I read today. It explains clearly why people link happiness to exiting the EU, why Remainers simply do not get it, and why Leave may win again.

https://unherd.com/2019/02/the-pointles ... ples-vote/

I particularly like this bit:

“Remainers tend to struggle with conversations about things that are not material and extend beyond individual rights; things like dignity, recognition, solidarity, belonging, tradition, identity and culture.”

Let us think carefully about that. A majority of people say those things are important, and would also say they are influenced by the EU. In this way:

Recognition - who in Brussels knows or cares about the people living in Burnley?
Solidarity - helped the more people have in common with each other, i.e. bigger is not better
Belonging - local rather than international decision making feeds a sense of community
Tradition - affected adversely by multiculturalism which in turn is increased by freedom of movement
Identity - similar to belonging
Culture - also affected adversely by multiculturalism as well as the liberal agenda

The author is right - people demand a shake up, not to move back in time but to move forward, and that can only happen if we fully leave the EU. People’s views on this will NOT change, regardless of the economics. It would be a mistake to try to force them to.

I only got as far as him saying that the ‘poll of polls’ giving remain a 55% to 45% lead meaning that the will of the people has changed should be treated with scepticism (even with a 3% margin of error) before treating the whole piece with scepticism!

[Greenmile]

If you read all that, and that's what you think I said, you need to read it again.
Only some people read what they want to read, rather than what's written. You can twist my words if you want to, it makes little matter to me, but it shows how poor your arguments are if you have to twist statements to suit your opinion.

Ok - let's take a look at what you said

When I was younger and had a mortgage, and kids to provide for, earning as much as I could was a priority....When you're older and the mortgage is paid, the kids have moved out, money doesn't matter as much.

Money used to be important to you due to the situation you were in. Now it isn't. (ie - "I'm alright Jack")

(then there was a load of evidence-free nonsense about how Brexit will be mostly harmless really, which even you can't be that confident about, as you go on to say...)

If that means tightening ones belt, it had to be worth it.

Sneaky use of the word "one's" there. You've already admitted that you're financially comfortable and money doesn't matter to you. So it's other peoples suffering that you're saying is "worth" some nebulous ideas about sovereignty or whatever. (ie "...so **** you")

[biggles]

we live in a free EU, where people live in peace. oh wait a minute! who ensured Europe isn't now under Nazi rule? Germany? France? Italy? Spain? anyone else in Europe, no? just us then [along with our allies, of course]. does the EU thank us? does it offer to repay us for the trillion pounds it cost us to save them? course not. do they want to punish us for having the audacity to leave them? you bloody bet they do. and the idiots that voted to remain support them.

[martin_p]

we live in a free EU, where people live in peace. oh wait a minute! who ensured Europe isn't now under Nazi rule? Germany? France? Italy? Spain? anyone else in Europe, no? just us then [along with our allies, of course]. does the EU thank us? does it offer to repay us for the trillion pounds it cost us to save them? course not. do they want to punish us for having the audacity to leave them? you bloody bet they do. and the idiots that voted to remain support them.

Those bleeding Norman’s haven’t paid us for the carnage they caused in 1066 either!

[Greenmile]

Recognition - who in Brussels knows or cares about the people living in Burnley?

Who in Westminster does?

Solidarity - helped the more people have in common with each other, i.e. bigger is not better

You don't like people who are different from you. Nice.

Belonging - local rather than international decision making feeds a sense of community

What important political decisions are made locally in Burnley? I'm sure there are a couple, but worth making us all poorer for??

Tradition - affected adversely by multiculturalism which in turn is increased by freedom of movement

You still don't like people who are different from you, especially the forrins. Nice.

Identity - similar to belonging

Sounds more similar to "Tradition" to me

Culture - also affected adversely by multiculturalism as well as the liberal agenda.

You don't like poeple who are different from you, or the liberal agenda of treating forrins and gays and that as equal to people like you (aka "political correctness")

[martin_p]

I see the discussion is once again wrongly focused on the economics.

This argument was expertly taken apart in this balanced essay that I read today. It explains clearly why people link happiness to exiting the EU, why Remainers simply do not get it, and why Leave may win again.

https://unherd.com/2019/02/the-pointles ... ples-vote/

I particularly like this bit:

“Remainers tend to struggle with conversations about things that are not material and extend beyond individual rights; things like dignity, recognition, solidarity, belonging, tradition, identity and culture.”

Let us think carefully about that. A majority of people say those things are important, and would also say they are influenced by the EU. In this way:

Recognition - who in Brussels knows or cares about the people living in Burnley?
Solidarity - helped the more people have in common with each other, i.e. bigger is not better
Belonging - local rather than international decision making feeds a sense of community
Tradition - affected adversely by multiculturalism which in turn is increased by freedom of movement
Identity - similar to belonging
Culture - also affected adversely by multiculturalism as well as the liberal agenda

The author is right - people demand a shake up, not to move back in time but to move forward, and that can only happen if we fully leave the EU. People’s views on this will NOT change, regardless of the economics. It would be a mistake to try to force them to.

Glad we’ve confirmed it’s just about keeping the foreigners out. Of course most of the ‘foreigners’ in Burnley don’t come from the EU, I think you may be in for a shock.

[Jakubclaret]

You'll have to explain this to me, I'm afraid.

As far as I'm aware, the EU has absolutely nothing to do with setting and enforcing the minimum wage in the UK. Are you saying I'm wrong (I've not looked this up at all).

I could believe the EU may have a minimum wage directive (like the working hours thing), but there's surely nothing to stop our govt going over and above the rate they may have set, and enforcing it properly.

Do you expect the minimum wage to rise and be properly enforced once we've left the EU?

Well that all depends on the sort of Brexit implemented & how vigorously that's adhered to, elemental economics with a sprinkling of commonsense would suggest wages will increase especially if there's a considerable reduction of EU imported labour in the low skilled sectors, inevitable really offset with likely inflation towards EU manufactured products the sensible 1s will boycott & go British reasonable to assume. Like I said all hinges on the ultimate thrashout on conclusion. The minimum wage is usually on par with what a migrant worker receives the fortunate 1s anyhow.

[nil_desperandum]

we live in a free EU, where people live in peace. oh wait a minute! who ensured Europe isn't now under Nazi rule? Germany? France? Italy? Spain? anyone else in Europe, no? just us then [along with our allies, of course]. does the EU thank us? does it offer to repay us for the trillion pounds it cost us to save them? course not. do they want to punish us for having the audacity to leave them? you bloody bet they do. and the idiots that voted to remain support them.

If you're going to live 75 years in the past, at least read up, do some research, and get a basic grip of the historical facts, the background to and the fallout from WWII. Maybe start by working out who was allied with who?
And in reply to your opening question as to who ensured Europe isn't now under Nazi rule, let's start with the Russians, and work down from there, but it's all irrelevant really since the world has evolved massively since then, and throughout history your allies change. Our historical enemies over a thousand years, the French, have now been our natural allies for well over a hundred years.

[biggles]

we paid a very heavy price, in lives and financial costs, to free Europe from the Nazis and what thanks do we get from the EU? they should hang their heads in shame and ask for our forgiveness. they owe us a mighty price but choose to forget it. hopefully next time, maybe when Russia attacks, they will have to fend for themselves. bloody surrender monkeys. they can go to hell.

as will s said
'And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

for gentlemen in England read remainers, for St Crispin's day read Brexit.

[Spiral]

Push 'em enough and you'll finally get to the bottom of it: morons with a dubious grasp on history lashing out in fear of a world they don't understand or even care to understand. Big babies, basically.

I'm not being entirely facetious when I say that if brexiteers had a shag every once in a while they wouldn't be half as neurotically inclined.

[Greenmile]

Well that all depends on the sort of Brexit implemented & how vigorously that's adhered to, elemental economics with a sprinkling of commonsense would suggest wages will increase especially if there's a considerable reduction of EU imported labour in the low skilled sectors, inevitable really offset with likely inflation towards EU manufactured products the sensible 1s will boycott & go British reasonable to assume. Like I said all hinges on the ultimate thrashout on conclusion. The minimum wage is usually on par with what a migrant worker receives the fortunate 1s anyhow.

Why can’t our govt just implement and enforce a reasonable minimum wage though? That would solve your problem without screwing over the entire country.

Unless of course your problem isn’t depressed wages in the low skilled sector, but foreign accents on the high street.

It’s cute that you still think Brexit will improve the lot of the poorer folk in our society though. Well, either cute or terrifying, I can’t really decide.

[Greenmile]

we paid a very heavy price, in lives and financial costs, to free Europe from the Nazis and what thanks do we get from the EU? they should hang their heads in shame and ask for our forgiveness. they owe us a mighty price but choose to forget it. hopefully next time, maybe when Russia attacks, they will have to fend for themselves. bloody surrender monkeys. they can go to hell.

as will s said
'And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

for gentlemen in England read remainers, for St Crispin's day read Brexit.

What did you do during the war?

[TVC15]

Only a matter of time before it reached the proportions of the English defence league AGM

[nil_desperandum]

Let us think carefully about that. A majority of people say those things are important, and would also say they are influenced by the EU. In this way:

Recognition - who in Brussels knows or cares about the people living in Burnley?
Solidarity - helped the more people have in common with each other, i.e. bigger is not better
Belonging - local rather than international decision making feeds a sense of community
Tradition - affected adversely by multiculturalism which in turn is increased by freedom of movement
Identity - similar to belonging
Culture - also affected adversely by multiculturalism as well as the liberal agenda
.

Very odd list
Recognition - you could substitute "London / Westminster" for "Brussels", and at least Brussels has sent a lot of money back to Burnley.
Solidarity - don't understand that point tbh, but it's clear that brexit has opened a worrying massive division between young and old.
Belonging - in what sense will brexit improve local government and increase it's funding thus increasing its ability to make decisions and put them into practice. (Less funding basically means less local power to influence you local community. We'll be losing millions in funding)
Tradition, Identity, Culture - that's very odd. Most Europeans share and embrace our culture, whereas the inevitable increase in immigration from outside the EU does bring multiculturism, (though I must stress that I don't consider multiculturalism to be a negative).

[Spiral]

as will s said
'And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

Oh goody, a poem! That'll solve the GFA/regulatory divergence paradox!

[Lancasterclaret]

This thread is full of bitter old people determined to ruin it for anyone younger than them.

On behalf of those of us who still have to work and still have some empathy for others...

Cheers!

[Burnley Ace]

we paid a very heavy price, in lives and financial costs, to free Europe from the Nazis and what thanks do we get from the EU? they should hang their heads in shame and ask for our forgiveness. they owe us a mighty price but choose to forget it. hopefully next time, maybe when Russia attacks, they will have to fend for themselves. bloody surrender monkeys. they can go to hell.

as will s said
'And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

for gentlemen in England read remainers, for St Crispin's day read Brexit.

RULE BRITANNIA, 2 World Wars and One World Cup, No surrender, no surrender, LOL - you are a Gillet Blanc!! And I beat you cut and paste that speech from a King who was more French than English!

[biggles]

If you're going to live 75 years in the past, at least read up, do some research, and get a basic grip of the historical facts, the background to and the fallout from WWII. Maybe start by working out who was allied with who?
And in reply to your opening question as to who ensured Europe isn't now under Nazi rule, let's start with the Russians, and work down from there, but it's all irrelevant really since the world has evolved massively since then, and throughout history your allies change. Our historical enemies over a thousand years, the French, have now been our natural allies for well over a hundred years.

what? you think france [surrender monkeys] freed europe? spain [neutral]? italy[part of the nazi/facist axis]? talk about facts. you seem to ignore most of them. without us europe would be under nazi rule - fact. i like the way you say i'm living in the past and then talk about over a hundred years etc etc. no irony there. france our allies? that amounts to nothing more than we haven't been at war with them for a while. with friends like france we don't need any enemies. don't try to teach me history, at least not until you know what the fcuk you are talking about. the russians did not do so much as free europe as stopping the nazis wiping them from the face of the earth. look what the ruskies are up to now. they will probably invade one of the baltic states before too long. what will the EU do then? probably come crying to us [NATO] for help, yet again. who basically funds NATO? the US. the UK pays its dues and its more than EU countries do.

[TVC15]

The truth of it is that most Brexiteers in our town would not have a clue what has been funded by EU money in Burnley....and the positive it has done.

There will not be a chance in a million years that this funding will continue to be provided by the local or national government when (or if) we leave.

But at least you’ll get the sovereignty back - whatever the f-uck you think that means !

[Greenmile]

what? you think france [surrender monkeys] freed europe? spain [neutral]? italy[part of the nazi/facist axis]? talk about facts. you seem to ignore most of them. without us europe would be under nazi rule - fact. i like the way you say i'm living in the past and then talk about over a hundred years etc etc. no irony there. france our allies? that amounts to nothing more than we haven't been at war with them for a while. with friends like france we don't need any enemies. don't try to teach me history, at least not until you know what the fcuk you are talking about. the russians did not do so much as free europe as stopping the nazis wiping them from the face of the earth. look what the ruskies are up to now. they will probably invade one of the baltic states before too long. what will the EU do then? probably come crying to us [NATO] for help, yet again. who basically funds NATO? the US. the UK pays its dues and its more than EU countries do.

What did you do during the war?

[Jakubclaret]

Why can’t our govt just implement and enforce a reasonable minimum wage though? That would solve your problem without screwing over the entire country.

Unless of course your problem isn’t depressed wages in the low skilled sector, but foreign accents on the high street.

It’s cute that you still think Brexit will improve the lot of the poorer folk in our society though. Well, either cute or terrifying, I can’t really decide.

That's a cheap shot but I'll rise above, the people who voted out most have thought they'd be better off without the excessive need for so much foreign labour especially when they would struggle to maintain a reasonable lifestyle, taking into account it's usually a modest two up two down dwelling without mattresses & bed settees strewn all over the house. Doing things 1 way especially when there's only 1 income just isn't possible on the minimum wage, nothing to do with foreign accents more the dire need for improvement & self preservation I should imagine.

[TVC15]

what? you think france [surrender monkeys] freed europe? spain [neutral]? italy[part of the nazi/facist axis]? talk about facts. you seem to ignore most of them. without us europe would be under nazi rule - fact. i like the way you say i'm living in the past and then talk about over a hundred years etc etc. no irony there. france our allies? that amounts to nothing more than we haven't been at war with them for a while. with friends like france we don't need any enemies. don't try to teach me history, at least not until you know what the fcuk you are talking about. the russians did not do so much as free europe as stopping the nazis wiping them from the face of the earth. look what the ruskies are up to now. they will probably invade one of the baltic states before too long. what will the EU do then? probably come crying to us [NATO] for help, yet again. who basically funds NATO? the US. the UK pays its dues and its more than EU countries do.

I think you might be on for a grade E at best and probably a U in English.

[biggles]

BREXIT IS HAPPENING GUYS. IT'S A GOOD THING. YOU WILL HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT. MAYBE YOU WILL HAVE TO SUFFER BECAUSE OF IT. DO I GIVE A SH1T ABOUT YOU? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Spiral]

*Complains at EU's paltry contribution to NATO
-(EU considers European army to lessen its reliance on the US)
*Complains about prospect of EU army

You couldn't make this up.