Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[CombatClaret]

For me the Honda thing is a reason why Brexit is right, not wrong (though anybody who claims they are certain are deluded, it is a fast moving environment).
We seem to be moving into a world beyond supply chains.

Bending the world to your backward looking Brexit.
Honda and those jobs are only here because of Globalisation and Free Trade. Nearly everything you have every purchased over the last few decades is because of supply chains. The world is a more peaceful place because of global trade.

But yes lets close the all borders and make everything in the UK. I look forward to the UK iPhone, made out of west country tin and willow.

[Rick_Muller]

But yes lets close the all borders and make everything in the UK. I look forward to the UK iPhone, made out of west country tin and willow.

...dont forget the string to connect the 2 phones

[Pstotto]

World trade has been going on for thousands of years, it's just with the invention of bulk carriers and containers that it's gone to another level.

Given that the world has only 100 years left before insects die out and 12 years before irreversible climate change and the white race is the fastest die out of a people in history that we know of, there needs to be a BIG WORLD POW WOW about what we are about.

Brexit is the start.

The Capitalist 'free trade' v. Communism/ socialism models are outdated and primitive and will not see our species through.

The media and the politicians only care of today and a notion of we'll all die one day, so what... Fuelled by the wily orientals and the fools sucking their nuts (School of Practical Philosophy etc.) i.e. the nihilist faiths of India, where life is all suffering in the Hindu Kush cos they've all got thrush for a genocide by proxy via the Beatles and the Stones and the demon Jew Ram Dass and the agri-peasant Shangri-La of Western destruction for the sake of a few yogis who claim to live of sunlight shining out of their ass to attract the flies for their yoga protein fix.

India and China the world's biggest polluters, the most materialist greed-bitch wannabes, they hoped to send us back to the dark ages with yoga and mantras until they could catch up.


What's the solution?

A rationalization of world production.

I went into town today to buy a dish drainer. Priceland had a few products but they were very poorly made with rough finished and sharp edges. I bought a good one in Argos, but they had about 10 to choose from.

Looking round London yesterday, the sheer upkeep of the place needs bilions. Just to maintain civilization at it's current level is a massive task here in the UK. Anyone who has tended even a small garden or a plant knows this.

[nil_desperandum]

Politics runs in cycles Martin, you as (I seem to recall) an activist should know that... it cost the Labour party big time in the 70's. Asquith beating Churchill led to America plunging Britain into spiraling debt in War repayments that almost killed the NHS at birth and prevented so many of his reforms. Callahan took over the treasury to find the nation bankrupt and so spent the best part of the seventies fire fighting past Tory policies. On the flip side, New Labour was boosted massively by policies implemented by Major's government. Second terms are when we really get a feel for how a government is performing because the impact of policies is being felt.

Unfolding events or trends rarely if ever reflect any long term reality. For example, Asquith put through freedom of movement within the empire on the nod in the forties, as no one believed many would choose to relocate. It was the sixties before the impact was felt and led to our multicultural Britain.

Democratic politics is a long game, not a quick fix, that is what dictators are for. As Brits we don't want to go back there.

Thought you were a history student

Asquith died in 1928

Attlee?

[Burnley Ace]

But if you concede that these events , whether it's banks moving to Dublin or record foreign investment into the uk, can result in 2 people having different OPINIONS. Neither you nor I can BOTH SIMULTANEOUSLY claim and judge it to be EVIDENCE.

The only thing that will judge fairly, whether it was EVIDENCE for either side of the argument is time.

Yes we can. The evidence is quite simply the evidence, it’s the interpretation of it that forms different opinions.

Say we both watched the game against Brighton (the evidence) you might form the opinion that Wood, scoring 2 goals, had a good game. I might form the opinion that despite 2 goals his overall contribution wasn’t good enough. We both have the same evidence we have different opinions and “time” isn’t going to make any difference.

[RingoMcCartney]

Once again
noun: evidence
1.
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

So yes you can. Banks moving to Dublin, companies leaving UK, airlines going bankrupt are facts. I can add those facts together along with expert forecasts and opinions to my body of information and those combined create EVIDENCE to indicate that my BELIEF 'Brexit is bad for the economy' is true.

Stop this stupid and deliberate distracting obsession with misusing the word evidence.

Using your own words you have a BELIEF. You cannot have EVIDENCE for an event that is yet to take place.

What you're pointing to and claiming is EVIDENCE could well turn out to be short term or reversible business decisions.

Only time will tell. We have not left the European Union yet.

Now.

Foreign investment into the uk is at record levels.

Also


"the FT of all places is reporting that EU asset managers are actually considering MOVING TO the UK because of Brexit.

EU fund managers are up in arms over EU rules which would force them to trade dual-listed shares on uncompetitive EU exchanges after Brexit if the Commission refuse to give them access to London after Brexit. The German Investment Funds Association said that “without equivalence granted to UK trading venues, we see the real possibility of EU27 fund managers locating operations in the future in the UK"


If I was going to claim that the above was EVIDENCE that brexit will have a POSITIVE impact on the uk. You'd be totally justified in saying, "that's not evidence, it's just business making decisions that may prove to be short term or reversible. It's just your OPINION. "

And you'd be right.

Because, until we leave, and a certain amount of time has passed , only then will we be able to say with the benefit of HINDSIGHT, whether or not it was EVIDENCE of Brexit having a positive impact on the uk.

[Greenmile]

For me the Honda thing is a reason why Brexit is right, not wrong (though anybody who claims they are certain are deluded, it is a fast moving environment).

We seem to be moving into a world beyond supply chains. Countries need to be more independant. The growing number of FTAs means that these little supply chain hubs like we are won’t be needed. Japan can simply make over there and ship over here with no barriers, no tariffs. Sure as anything Brexit isn’t the reason behind this though it may have accelerated the thinking.

Globalisation and free trade is the enemy of Swindon Honda workers - many see it as a good thing, that’s the debate. Another thing I am sure about - if we had stayed in the EU these changes would still have occurred, Japan no longer needs to make this stuff in the EU. We face a crisis of what to do is these sectors. Politicians are neglecting the issue by not flagging it up sooner. The U.K. needs to produce its own stuff and become a net exporter, otherwise we will continue to fall victim to these bigger manufacturing countries who throw us a few crumbs to make x% of their products.

QED

[CombatClaret]

Using your own words you have a BELIEF. You cannot have EVIDENCE for an event that is yet to take place.
What you're pointing to and claiming is EVIDENCE could well turn out to be short term or reversible business decisions.

You're choosing to misinterpret both myself and the dictionary.
Everyone can see you are wrong and only looking to distract so I'm not engaging with this semantic strawman argument any longer.

[RingoMcCartney]

Yes we can. The evidence is quite simply the evidence, it’s the interpretation of it that forms different opinions.

Say we both watched the game against Brighton (the evidence) you might form the opinion that Wood, scoring 2 goals, had a good game. I might form the opinion that despite 2 goals his overall contribution wasn’t good enough. We both have the same evidence we have different opinions and “time” isn’t going to make any difference.

Have we left the EU yet?

No.

Are events taking place all the time?

Yes

Do people on either side of the argument draw different conclusions, and therefore their OPINION, as to whether what is unfolding is EVIDENCE that brexit will have either a negative or a positive impact on the U.K?

Yes.

Can they both be right if they have the polar opposite view?


No.



Only once we've left the EU will one side be able to say what they had was EVIDENCE of their OPINION.


Till then you, I and every single poster on this message board only has an OPINION.

[RingoMcCartney]

You're choosing to misinterpret both myself and the dictionary.
Everyone can see you are wrong and only looking to distract so I'm not engaging with this semantic strawman argument any longer.

"Everyone can see you're wrong "

Can they?

If you're being honest the ones that are disagreeing with me are all on the other side of the argument.

You cannot provide EVIDENCE from or for an event that has not happened.

You can have supposition, presupposition, presumption, premise, belief, expectation, conjecture, speculation, surmise, guess, theory, hypothesis, postulation, deduction, inference, thought, suspicion, assumptions, projections, scenarios given varying criteria, predictions, assumptions and forecasts .


You cannot Provide actual evidence that leaving the EU will have a negative impact on the uk. Until a good while after we've left.

[Damo]

Honda have announced they are closing their factory in Turkey too due to Brexit

[CombatClaret]

Only once we've left the EU will one side be able to say what they had was EVIDENCE of their OPINION.

Till then you, I and every single poster on this message board only has an OPINION.

Incorrect

Evidence may be used to form a theory or hypothesis.

Additional evidence may refine such a theory.

Proof shows the theory to be a fact.

To sum up, once Brexit takes place the evidence becomes proof. But you know this anyway your just tilting at windmills to distract.

[CombatClaret]

Honda have announced they are closing their factory in Turkey too due to Brexit

Makes sense because apparently everyone from Turkey was coming hear anyway.

[Lancasterclaret]

We seem to be moving into a world beyond supply chains.

That is something that makes no sense at all.

Without supply chains, you don't have the advanced economies we have now.

That is not a good thing for people who work and eat.

[TVC15]

Wrongo is never going to back down on this.

He is wrong but he justifies this with coming back to the same point which is that nobody knows what the future outcome of Brexit will be in terms of whether it will have a positive or negative impact on the UK.

It`s a futile argument anyway as what is the definition of "future" ? - is it 2 years, 10 years, 30 years ? Plus how do you define positive or negative ? - the country could be on the verge of bankruptcy and people would still argue that overall the impact is positive because of other non financial metrics like immigration, sovereignty etc

What Wrongo stubbornly / stupidly refuses to concede and continues to embarrass himself is that you can use evidence to form an opinion. If the UK has already lost x number of jobs because of Brexit and companies have publicly commented that the loss of those jobs are because of Brexit then that is evidence. It is not evidence of the outcome but it is evidence to support the opinion of the outcome...in this case that Brexit will have a negative impact on UK jobs.

It`s irrelevant that Brexit has not happened yet - if you believe something is going to happen then companies will plan for it....it`s a very simple principle to understand really.

In terms of UK jobs there is little evidence to support an opinion that Brexit will have a positive impact. The overwhelming evidence to date is that it will have a negative impact. Brexiteers will argue breaking away from the EU will open new markets or allow companies to escape from the red tape of Brussels etc - this is of course is a perfectly valid opinion. At this stage it is not supported by any evidence - as evidence would be that ABC Limited has announced that it has increased its workforce or is in the process of doing so in anticipation of Brexit and as a direct result of leaving the EU.

[RingoMcCartney]

(Of course, I'm discounting the guys who choose to argue about the meaning of "evidence").
.

Paul I'm assuming you're referring to me.

The reason I'm arguing about "evidence" (I noticed you too, got dragged into it after posting this remark) is this.

Throughout the post referendum debate the europhile claim has been that the victory for Leave was entirely based on lies.

When the counter claim is made by the Leave side- the examples of upto 850,000 extra unemployed by now, stock market crash, housing market crash, Siemens would go, emergency budget the morning after a leave vote, "Confidencein the UK economy would evaporate overnight " Alistair Darling, " a vote to Leave would be like putting a nuclear bomb under the British economy " David Cameron. It's met , and it has been on many an occasion on this message board, with the get out of jail free card reply of , "They weren't a promise like the 350 million per week, they were just predictions, forecasts and opinions."

So when I see, read and hear the very same people attempting to point to what they see as "evidence", that brexit will have a negative impact on the uk, despite the event not actually happening yet. I'm simply pointing out that what they are now describing as "evidence" , can be glibly rebranded as "predictions, forecasts and opinions," after the event. Again.

[TVC15]

Still wrong Wrongo....who is saying that the claims you reference above are "evidence" ?

Find one person on this thread who has said that....you are the only person on here who does not understand the meaning of the word (or pretends to not understand)

[RingoMcCartney]

Incorrect

Evidence may be used to form a theory or hypothesis.

Additional evidence may refine such a theory.

Proof shows the theory to be a fact.

To sum up, once Brexit takes place the evidence becomes proof. But you know this anyway your just tilting at windmills to distract.

This EVIDENCE that's being used to form a THEORY or HYPOTHESIS.

Given no other country has previously left the EU before where is it?

But when you say ", once Brexit takes place the evidence becomes proof. " I agree. But just as I said , time and only time will prove who HAD the EVIDENCE and who had the incorrect OPINION.

[Mala591]

Thought for the day:

I think it would be wise for spreadsheet Phil (Hammond) to slash Corporation Tax down to 10% for several years to stimulate global investment in the UK economy.

[Jakubclaret]

I wasn't looking for a definition of the word, I was looking for specifics.

I find it a silly question to be honest, its not the kind of word to offer "specifics" everything about the word suggests time served & through life experiences symbolises knowledge in every shape & form & from any sane perspective, I'd appreciate if you could acknowledge I've answered the question whether you agree or not, I've answered the question out of politeness, you can ask again & again the answer will remain the same as I've also mentioned the same to greenmile.

[RingoMcCartney]

As much as it irks me to say so Wrongo is kind of right in what he says - in so much at the moment it is OPINIONS about what will happen post Brexit - albeit some of these OPINIONS are based on evidence about what has happened to date and evidence based on what certain very influential business owners or industry leaders have said that they will do in a post Brexit scenario.

So whilst those pointing to a negative impact on terms of jobs, economic growth are basing this on actual job losses they have already seen and decisions already made to move business, offices etc abroad even in those cases in theory these same people could decide to take back those jobs or move back to the Uk - there is absolutely no logic or reason for them to do so but theoretically they COULD

You've changed your tune.

[martin_p]

Still wrong Wrongo....who is saying that the claims you reference above are "evidence" ?

Find one person on this thread who has said that....you are the only person on here who does not understand the meaning of the word (or pretends to not understand)

And he still refuses to accept actual evidence that companies have triggered their promised emergency plans because he has the opinion (based on nothing) that it ‘may be temporary’. It’s all very well claiming people can come to different opinions based on the same evidence, but when one opinion is that the actual triggering of promised Brexit emergency plans adds further weight to forecasts being correct and the other opinion is ‘well they might change their mind’, I know which opinion is based on the understanding of evidence and which is based on made up stuff.

[Lancasterclaret]

If you are genuinely interested in a more complex discussion about whether Honda has made this decision due to Brexit, then this is one for you.

https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status ... 1056366593" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[CrosspoolClarets]

Bending the world to your backward looking Brexit.
Honda and those jobs are only here because of Globalisation and Free Trade. Nearly everything you have every purchased over the last few decades is because of supply chains. The world is a more peaceful place because of global trade.

But yes lets close the all borders and make everything in the UK. I look forward to the UK iPhone, made out of west country tin and willow.

Sorry, that’s wrong.

Honda have been quite open in the past about using European manufacturer to bypass tariffs and quotas - which are about to go to zero.

They have been on a continual decline.

They cut 800 jobs in Swindon in 2013.
They cut 340 more in 2014.
They mothballed the plant in 2014.
They now face dieselgate on top of all that.
Who knows what concessions they made to the EU in their trade deal that they crucially need?

Tell me how globalisation and staying in the EU will reverse those trends? Honda was going anyway. That’s certain. That Brexit didn’t help was also certain - I don’t deny that.

[Jakubclaret]

For me the Honda thing is a reason why Brexit is right, not wrong (though anybody who claims they are certain are deluded, it is a fast moving environment).

We seem to be moving into a world beyond supply chains. Countries need to be more independant. The growing number of FTAs means that these little supply chain hubs like we are won’t be needed. Japan can simply make over there and ship over here with no barriers, no tariffs. Sure as anything Brexit isn’t the reason behind this though it may have accelerated the thinking.

Globalisation and free trade is the enemy of Swindon Honda workers - many see it as a good thing, that’s the debate. Another thing I am sure about - if we had stayed in the EU these changes would still have occurred, Japan no longer needs to make this stuff in the EU. We face a crisis of what to do is these sectors. Politicians are neglecting the issue by not flagging it up sooner. The U.K. needs to produce its own stuff and become a net exporter, otherwise we will continue to fall victim to these bigger manufacturing countries who throw us a few crumbs to make x% of their products.

People are just making things up & using excuses to blame brexit & I’m talking about things which were in a demise pre brexit, we need to invest more in manafacturing the opportunities are definitely there with merging market in the Far East, regarding Honda or any car manafacturers, I don’t think people are buying new cars not when there devaluate so rapid, a new car is a luxury non essential item when you pick up a nearly new motor/ secondhand at a fraction.

[Lancasterclaret]

No point in having an engine manufacturing facility in the UK for exporting to the EU when the UK is out of the EU and the EU and Japan have just signed a free trade deal.

Businesses have to plan on stuff that exists. At the moment, there is nothing to suggest that the above statement will change or that it will change in an acceptable timescale for a global manufacturing giant like Honda. So they make a decision based on what they know, and that its not worth keeping the plant open after 2022.

If Crosspool is admitting that Brexit isn't helping, then he's quite correct and probably starting to realise this is only the beginning.

I'm wary of blaming this all on Brexit or all on the global turndown in diesels, its bound to be a combination of the two.

Hondas statement tomorrow will be interesting at any rate.

[Paul Waine]

Paul I'm assuming you're referring to me.

The reason I'm arguing about "evidence" (I noticed you too, got dragged into it after posting this remark) is this.

Throughout the post referendum debate the europhile claim has been that the victory for Leave was entirely based on lies.

When the counter claim is made by the Leave side- the examples of upto 850,000 extra unemployed by now, stock market crash, housing market crash, Siemens would go, emergency budget the morning after a leave vote, "Confidencein the UK economy would evaporate overnight " Alistair Darling, " a vote to Leave would be like putting a nuclear bomb under the British economy " David Cameron. It's met , and it has been on many an occasion on this message board, with the get out of jail free card reply of , "They weren't a promise like the 350 million per week, they were just predictions, forecasts and opinions."

So when I see, read and hear the very same people attempting to point to what they see as "evidence", that brexit will have a negative impact on the uk, despite the event not actually happening yet. I'm simply pointing out that what they are now describing as "evidence" , can be glibly rebranded as "predictions, forecasts and opinions," after the event. Again.

Hi Ringo, yes, you were among the group that I identify as debating "evidence." But, I don't place you alone in this group - and if I counted, I'm sure I'd identify more on the "remain" side of the debate spending their time arguing what is and isn't "evidence."

For me, I think I've spent some time seeking to undertand why some economic models forecast things that haven't happened - and how we should extend this to forecasts of potential outcomes sometime in the future.

[CombatClaret]

Honda was going anyway. That’s certain. That Brexit didn’t help was also certain - I don’t deny that.

You don't know that for certain at all but great you can admit Brexit had a negative effect on a UK business.

We seem to be moving into a world beyond supply chains. Countries need to be more independant.

Did you ever stop to ask why Honda; a Japanese manufacture ring conglomerate opened a factory in the UK in the first place?
Answer: Globalization through supply chains.

If we want business to be here we need to make it more attractive, we've done the exact opposite as you have finally begun to realise.

[RingoMcCartney]

Hi Ringo, yes, you were among the group that I identify as debating "evidence." But, I don't place you alone in this group - and if I counted, I'm sure I'd identify more on the "remain" side of the debate spending their time arguing what is and isn't "evidence."

For me, I think I've spent some time seeking to undertand why some economic models forecast things that haven't happened - and how we should extend this to forecasts of potential outcomes sometime in the future.

I was listening to LBC late at night within the last couple of weeks. It was following the most recent economic forecast by Mark Carney. Tom Swarbricks guest ( forget who it was now, a prominent political figure ) said that of his previous 12 predictions only 2 had come to fruition.......

[CombatClaret]

12 predictions only 2 had come to fruition.......

The leave campaign made 872 predictions and promises, 0 have to come to fruition.

[Damo]

If Honda's decision had anything to do with Brexit, then why are they moving production to Japan instead of to a country in the EU?

[Jakubclaret]

Sorry, that’s wrong.

Honda have been quite open in the past about using European manufacturer to bypass tariffs and quotas - which are about to go to zero.

They have been on a continual decline.

They cut 800 jobs in Swindon in 2013.
They cut 340 more in 2014.
They mothballed the plant in 2014.
They now face dieselgate on top of all that.
Who knows what concessions they made to the EU in their trade deal that they crucially need?

Tell me how globalisation and staying in the EU will reverse those trends? Honda was going anyway. That’s certain. That Brexit didn’t help was also certain - I don’t deny that.

Globalisation & staying in the EU won’t reverse them trends as you probably realise, more & more massive distribution centres is the EU model fed by the supply chain, supply to demand is good & well & keeps the consumer happy, sooner or later for future growth we need to internally source & that can only be achieved by domestic production.

[Lancasterclaret]

Guess we will see with the official statement tomorrow.

But this is a long term strategy decision. Posted a link to supply chain analysis of this if you are interested Damo. Worth a read.

Its on my post above this!

[TVC15]

You've changed your tune.

How’s that changing your tune ?
I’ve said the same thing.
Nobody can know the impact of Brexit yet - so that is just an opinion.
Opinion can be based on evidence.

Do you struggle with basic English or are you just a complete t-wat ?
This thread is very conclusive EVIDENCE of both.

[Tall Paul]

If Honda's decision had anything to do with Brexit, then why are they moving production to Japan instead of to a country in the EU?

Probably because Japan has just agreed a trade deal with the EU.

[Damo]

Probably because Japan has just agreed a trade deal with the EU.

I'm still not sure what relevance Brexit has in all of this. Would they not have agreed a deal if we remained part of the EU?

[Lancasterclaret]

These discussions will have been made over time.

They knew that the EU and Japan were close to a trade deal. They knew that we were leaving the EU and that a deal wasn't guaranteed.

There is plenty out there of Japanese politicians and business owners all saying that the UK is the gateway to Europe as part of the EU.

Its had an affect, and the continuing uncertainty isn't helping.

[Rick_Muller]

Probably because Japan has just agreed a trade deal with the EU.

Which conspiracy theorists will say is the EU sticking 2 fingers up at the UK so they can say “I told you so”. Honda’s decision to close the plant is partially because of the global decline for Honda, but mainly because of the uncertainty of Brexit - which the senior bods at Honda see as a partial cause for their global decline, it’s all interlinked - my source is a senior bod at Honda before anyone asks.

[Tall Paul]

I'm still not sure what relevance Brexit has in all of this. Would they not have agreed a deal if we remained part of the EU?

Because they're moving out of a country that probably won't have a trade deal with the EU in a couple of months to one that does have a trade deal with the EU.

[Lancasterclaret]

Big story in the papers this morning about the slowness of the Japanese to want to agree to a quick trade deal with the UK as well.

Like all the others, they are going to wait till we are desperate.

If we drop out with a "No Deal", this could get really ****, really quickly

[Damo]

Because they're moving out of a country that probably won't have a trade deal with the EU in a couple of months to one that does have a trade deal with the EU.

They are consolidating all of their EU production to Japan.
Now they have a free trade deal, what incentive is there for Honda to produce cars in the UK?
They don't need a base in the EU, so why does it matter to Honda if we are part of the EU or not?

[Caballo]

but mainly because of the uncertainty of Brexit.

I'm calling bullsh1t and I don't care who you claim your source is, Honda are reducing their global output, have spare capacity at home and have just signed a trade deal with the EU in which automotive products and parts are tariff free. Brexit uncertainty will be a factor but to claim it's the main one is stuff and nonsense.

[Greenmile]

I'm still not sure what relevance Brexit has in all of this. Would they not have agreed a deal if we remained part of the EU?

I believe we could have vetoed it if we'd wanted to.

Of course that also means that any individual EU country could potentially veto any future UK-EU trade deal, which means we haven't even got to the tricky bit in terms of negotiations.

(there are some caveats to the above at this link.. https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-veto-brexit-deal/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

[Tall Paul]

They are consolidating all of their EU production to Japan.
Now they have a free trade deal, what incentive is there for Honda to produce cars in the UK?
They don't need a base in the EU, so why does it matter to Honda if we are part of the EU or not?

Do they have any other EU production apart from the UK plant?

[Damo]

I think I'll wait for the official statement tomorrow as opposed to the words of a made up, senior bod at Honda thanks

[Damo]

Do they have any other EU production apart from the UK plant?

No, what does that have to do with it?

[elwaclaret]

Thought you were a history student

Asquith died in 1928

Attlee?

Quite right. Head full of the French Revolutions at the moment though that said, I'm glad its a footy forum lol.
Well spotted

[Burnley Ace]

Only once we've left the EU will one side be able to say what they had was EVIDENCE of their OPINION.


Till then you, I and every single poster on this message board only has an OPINION.

Wrong again! Only once we’be left the EU will one side be able to show that their INTERPRETATION of the evidence was correct.

[Tall Paul]

No, what does that have to do with it?

Is that a genuine question? Don't you know what consolidating means?

[martin_p]

They are consolidating all of their EU production to Japan.
Now they have a free trade deal, what incentive is there for Honda to produce cars in the UK?
They don't need a base in the EU, so why does it matter to Honda if we are part of the EU or not?

Because from 29th March Honda cars made in the U.K. will have an export tariff to the EU. Cars made in Japan won’t.